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  • #54532
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    Basketman26
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     I don´t understand…what is wrong??  is a top 5!!

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  • #883050
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    nick5354
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    Although I agree with you that he is a bit low atm at 16, however he is deff not top 5!

    He is not in the league of players like Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Smart, Randle and Embiid.

     

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    • #883052
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       I disagree.  I don’t see how you can put Exum, who many of us haven’t even seen play against proper competition, ahead of a player who’s a true Freshman getting it done both during the NCAA season and tourney.  Both he and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson are very valuable and capable freshman for this, otherwise, seasoned Arizona squad.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think Exum is a fantastic prospect, but sometimes I think people overrate him based on what he could be, thus not accurately assesing who he is now.  Aaron Gordon is easily a lottery pick in this year’s draft, as is Exum.

       

       

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      • #883060
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        I am defintely assessing him on what I think he can be.

        A Top 5 in a draft as good as this (if most come out) you want to draft a player who you think will be a franshise changing player or your 1st/2nd best player. You don;t, go for a player who could be a good player not great and be a nice role player on a good team.

        I don’t see his upside, or to put it differently, I don’t think his upside outweights his glaring weaknesses. He needs to go back to school ad tighten up his game.

        Teams picking this high are mostly looking for that player who can turn their team around, if Gordon really that player?

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      • #883167
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        nick5354
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        I am defintely assessing him on what I think he can be.

        A Top 5 in a draft as good as this (if most come out) you want to draft a player who you think will be a franshise changing player or your 1st/2nd best player. You don;t, go for a player who could be a good player not great and be a nice role player on a good team.

        I don’t see his upside, or to put it differently, I don’t think his upside outweights his glaring weaknesses. He needs to go back to school ad tighten up his game.

        Teams picking this high are mostly looking for that player who can turn their team around, if Gordon really that player?

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    • #883159
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      strobox88
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       I disagree.  I don’t see how you can put Exum, who many of us haven’t even seen play against proper competition, ahead of a player who’s a true Freshman getting it done both during the NCAA season and tourney.  Both he and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson are very valuable and capable freshman for this, otherwise, seasoned Arizona squad.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think Exum is a fantastic prospect, but sometimes I think people overrate him based on what he could be, thus not accurately assesing who he is now.  Aaron Gordon is easily a lottery pick in this year’s draft, as is Exum.

       

       

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  • #883157
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    nick5354
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    Although I agree with you that he is a bit low atm at 16, however he is deff not top 5!

    He is not in the league of players like Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Smart, Randle and Embiid.

     

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  • #883058
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     He’s as raw as anyone in the Draft yet he produces at both ends of the floor. Imagine him in space in a few years. He has glaring weaknesses right now but they can be improved upon. He can add strength and work on his post game and perimeter shooting. He’ll be playing both F spots in the NBA and will thrive in an uptempo system, L.A and Philadelphia come to mind in the 6-14 area at the earliest. There aren’t many prospects with more upside than Aaron Gordon, I never understood why people can’t see the appeal of taking a player like him, who happens to be playing very well in spite of his limitations.

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  • #883165
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     He’s as raw as anyone in the Draft yet he produces at both ends of the floor. Imagine him in space in a few years. He has glaring weaknesses right now but they can be improved upon. He can add strength and work on his post game and perimeter shooting. He’ll be playing both F spots in the NBA and will thrive in an uptempo system, L.A and Philadelphia come to mind in the 6-14 area at the earliest. There aren’t many prospects with more upside than Aaron Gordon, I never understood why people can’t see the appeal of taking a player like him, who happens to be playing very well in spite of his limitations.

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  • #883066
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    You guys seem to be underestimating how hard it is to expand and fix those weaknesses.

    For starters he is smaller compared to most PFs. And a classic tweener. Now, don;t get me wrong, Tweeners are not always bad, there are players who have managed to gain great sucess as a Tweener, however, it is very hard to do it. Many more fail than succeed.

    Another thing that just annoys me is the seemingly easy thing to do which is to fix their shoot or post game. A player has been shooting the same way for most of his carrer, it isn;t just an easy fix. it takes heaps of work, and heaps of patience in order to shot the basketball. Many players never fix this issue even with the many resources which are avialable to them, so I don;t think it is so easy to say he can work on his shot and all will be good.

    Again, his post moves are not good or consistent. He is no where near a threat on the low post. Post-move can be worked on like shooting, however, it is HARD. People do not sem to realise this. It takes years and years of caoching to be able to be a consistent low post threat. He will not be able to come into the NBA and score in the low post with his size and post moves. It was be difficult if he cannot grow as a player.

    I also worry about other weakness in his game, like footspeed, his body control, not a great passer or playmaker and strength.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I don;t think he is an awflul prospect, I actually then he is a nice one. He just needs to go back to school, work on these issues (make Gordon show scouts that he can fix these issues rather then a team gambling on them) and really establish himself as a player. As of 2014, he is not a top 5 pick and with these issues I would easily pick 5-8 guys over him. I might take a gamble on him at 10, but not 5.

    There are just too many worries to pick him that high and not even his high potential is enough to outweight the negatives.

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    • #883230
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      Hector_Reyes_8
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      THANK YOU! You are absolutely right! He certainly CAN be good-to-great in the NBA, but he has too many ‘ifs’. I hate the NCAA, but he should stay and work there instead of go into the fire and be picked early ( mistake ) and have the coaching staff give up on him because he doesn’t produce to their unrealistic expectations.

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    • #883122
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      Hector_Reyes_8
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      THANK YOU! You are absolutely right! He certainly CAN be good-to-great in the NBA, but he has too many ‘ifs’. I hate the NCAA, but he should stay and work there instead of go into the fire and be picked early ( mistake ) and have the coaching staff give up on him because he doesn’t produce to their unrealistic expectations.

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    • #883290
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      King Calucha
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      I agree with almost everything you said, except that he’s a tweener. Tweeners are players who seem to play 2 positions but they lack some skills to excel full-time at one position. Example: When entering the draft, Derrick Williams displayed some perimeter shooting, but he didn’t have the speed to defend 3’s. That’s a tweener in my opinion.

      Aaron Gordon is just an undersized PF.

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    • #883182
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      King Calucha
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      I agree with almost everything you said, except that he’s a tweener. Tweeners are players who seem to play 2 positions but they lack some skills to excel full-time at one position. Example: When entering the draft, Derrick Williams displayed some perimeter shooting, but he didn’t have the speed to defend 3’s. That’s a tweener in my opinion.

      Aaron Gordon is just an undersized PF.

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  • #883173
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    nick5354
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    You guys seem to be underestimating how hard it is to expand and fix those weaknesses.

    For starters he is smaller compared to most PFs. And a classic tweener. Now, don;t get me wrong, Tweeners are not always bad, there are players who have managed to gain great sucess as a Tweener, however, it is very hard to do it. Many more fail than succeed.

    Another thing that just annoys me is the seemingly easy thing to do which is to fix their shoot or post game. A player has been shooting the same way for most of his carrer, it isn;t just an easy fix. it takes heaps of work, and heaps of patience in order to shot the basketball. Many players never fix this issue even with the many resources which are avialable to them, so I don;t think it is so easy to say he can work on his shot and all will be good.

    Again, his post moves are not good or consistent. He is no where near a threat on the low post. Post-move can be worked on like shooting, however, it is HARD. People do not sem to realise this. It takes years and years of caoching to be able to be a consistent low post threat. He will not be able to come into the NBA and score in the low post with his size and post moves. It was be difficult if he cannot grow as a player.

    I also worry about other weakness in his game, like footspeed, his body control, not a great passer or playmaker and strength.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I don;t think he is an awflul prospect, I actually then he is a nice one. He just needs to go back to school, work on these issues (make Gordon show scouts that he can fix these issues rather then a team gambling on them) and really establish himself as a player. As of 2014, he is not a top 5 pick and with these issues I would easily pick 5-8 guys over him. I might take a gamble on him at 10, but not 5.

    There are just too many worries to pick him that high and not even his high potential is enough to outweight the negatives.

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  • #883075
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     Great IQ and he has skills moving without the ball, setting screens, vision and for sight. He is a lottery pick. I like his potential greater than a lot of these guys mentioned ahead of him in a NBA game. He is going to learn quickly and play often. He can and will defend multiple positions well. He will rebound, get stronger, shoot better. Does not need to be a shooter just drain a corner three. Last few games he has hit the threes he has taken regulary. He will block shots and get assist. He will be very active in all areas in the NBA. He is 6ft9 and has a crazy wingspan. All world never tired athelete.  Jumps out the gym to go along with all those other skills.

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  • #883183
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     Great IQ and he has skills moving without the ball, setting screens, vision and for sight. He is a lottery pick. I like his potential greater than a lot of these guys mentioned ahead of him in a NBA game. He is going to learn quickly and play often. He can and will defend multiple positions well. He will rebound, get stronger, shoot better. Does not need to be a shooter just drain a corner three. Last few games he has hit the threes he has taken regulary. He will block shots and get assist. He will be very active in all areas in the NBA. He is 6ft9 and has a crazy wingspan. All world never tired athelete.  Jumps out the gym to go along with all those other skills.

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  • #883087
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    drice4life1753
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     I really just don’t see anything more than a very good high flying energy guy off the bench.  I haven’t played basketball since High School and don’t get the chance to play as much as I would like anymore, but I am fairly confident I could shoot a better FT % Rick Barry style than AG.  I mean is it not one of the most bizarre things we’ve seen?  Yesterday he literally missed both FT’s and then hit a 3pt. shot….what the hell is that about??  I think he missed all 4 FT attempts he took, that is just so unacceptable.  Especially for a player like him who needs to be physical.  He defintely has a great sense of team play and is willing to do what it takes to win.  You do not find him trying to do to much, which can be a big problem for super talented young players.

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  • #883195
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     I really just don’t see anything more than a very good high flying energy guy off the bench.  I haven’t played basketball since High School and don’t get the chance to play as much as I would like anymore, but I am fairly confident I could shoot a better FT % Rick Barry style than AG.  I mean is it not one of the most bizarre things we’ve seen?  Yesterday he literally missed both FT’s and then hit a 3pt. shot….what the hell is that about??  I think he missed all 4 FT attempts he took, that is just so unacceptable.  Especially for a player like him who needs to be physical.  He defintely has a great sense of team play and is willing to do what it takes to win.  You do not find him trying to do to much, which can be a big problem for super talented young players.

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  • #883089
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    theballerway
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    Just going back to the  Exum situation comparison, Exum played well at the U19s championship last year(thats where I picked most of the buzz) Aaron Gordon was quite dominant at that same tournament. However Exum has gone back to play Ball in HS in Australia. Which would be the equivalent of Gordon doing a Prep year. I have to think he would kill that competition level, sinces hes competing well at the College level against greater competition. I understand both arguements about the chances of developing his game but he’s only 19 actually a couple months younger than Exum and has improved on many asapects of his game already. I dont see why he wont and cant continue.I dont even think a full low post repetoire will be needed as that wont be his calling card as a 6-8 PF. More his face up game, ft stroke.This year at Arizona has actully done wonders for him.

    If my team already had a PG and I was picking Top 5 onwards I would have to look at him(assuming wiggins,parker,randle and Embid are all gone) He is going to be an impact player of some sort eventually imo

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  • #883197
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    theballerway
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    Just going back to the  Exum situation comparison, Exum played well at the U19s championship last year(thats where I picked most of the buzz) Aaron Gordon was quite dominant at that same tournament. However Exum has gone back to play Ball in HS in Australia. Which would be the equivalent of Gordon doing a Prep year. I have to think he would kill that competition level, sinces hes competing well at the College level against greater competition. I understand both arguements about the chances of developing his game but he’s only 19 actually a couple months younger than Exum and has improved on many asapects of his game already. I dont see why he wont and cant continue.I dont even think a full low post repetoire will be needed as that wont be his calling card as a 6-8 PF. More his face up game, ft stroke.This year at Arizona has actully done wonders for him.

    If my team already had a PG and I was picking Top 5 onwards I would have to look at him(assuming wiggins,parker,randle and Embid are all gone) He is going to be an impact player of some sort eventually imo

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  • #883091
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    livinlegend4blk
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     Aaron Gordon reminds me of Josh Smith a do it all player that’s not great at anything a Jack of all trades type player

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    • #883216
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      strobox88
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       Are you saying he’s a good but not great athlete? 

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    • #883324
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      strobox88
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       Are you saying he’s a good but not great athlete? 

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  • #883199
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    livinlegend4blk
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     Aaron Gordon reminds me of Josh Smith a do it all player that’s not great at anything a Jack of all trades type player

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  • #883209
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    morestealsthanscores
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     i think he’ll end up in the 10-14 range. worst case a hakeem warrick type of energy guy.

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  • #883101
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    morestealsthanscores
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     i think he’ll end up in the 10-14 range. worst case a hakeem warrick type of energy guy.

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  • #883213
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    juves4783
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    the more i watch gordon, the more i like him.  i think his ball handling is underrated and would say the only guy better in his height range is kyle anderson.  the other things you gotta love is his effort on the boards and on defense.  the guy has ridiculous hops and potential.  i don’t know if he’ll ever make that jump to sf but he can definitely be a better version of kenneth faried (who is one of my favorite players) right away.

    i have him in the lottery, not slipping by the sixers 2nd first rounder.

     

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  • #883105
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    the more i watch gordon, the more i like him.  i think his ball handling is underrated and would say the only guy better in his height range is kyle anderson.  the other things you gotta love is his effort on the boards and on defense.  the guy has ridiculous hops and potential.  i don’t know if he’ll ever make that jump to sf but he can definitely be a better version of kenneth faried (who is one of my favorite players) right away.

    i have him in the lottery, not slipping by the sixers 2nd first rounder.

     

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  • #883215
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    Hector_Reyes_8
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    He shouldn’t be a Top 5 pick. Top 10 is spreading bit too. I’d rather have a guy like him ( energy guy ) at around 16-20.

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  • #883108
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    Hector_Reyes_8
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    He shouldn’t be a Top 5 pick. Top 10 is spreading bit too. I’d rather have a guy like him ( energy guy ) at around 16-20.

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  • #883221
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     He will be better than just a energy guy. Michael Kidd is a energy guy. This kid has more skills, size, and athleticism. 

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  • #883114
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     He will be better than just a energy guy. Michael Kidd is a energy guy. This kid has more skills, size, and athleticism. 

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    • #883228
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      Hector_Reyes_8
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      And a FT% that’s on par with Biyombo. He looks a lot like Jan Vesley, and he’s a bust. Any team picking him in the Top 10 area will make a mistake. Ekpe Udoh was taken 7th overall because he had great defensive skills, and he’s widely considered a bust even though his defense is very good. I’m not saying Gordon will be a bust, but he can very well be what he is now in the NBA for the rest of his career : An athletic freak with a shaky jumper and no offensive game outside of 4-5 feet. I hope he does well though, I’d like to see players like him do well.

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    • #883120
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      Hector_Reyes_8
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      And a FT% that’s on par with Biyombo. He looks a lot like Jan Vesley, and he’s a bust. Any team picking him in the Top 10 area will make a mistake. Ekpe Udoh was taken 7th overall because he had great defensive skills, and he’s widely considered a bust even though his defense is very good. I’m not saying Gordon will be a bust, but he can very well be what he is now in the NBA for the rest of his career : An athletic freak with a shaky jumper and no offensive game outside of 4-5 feet. I hope he does well though, I’d like to see players like him do well.

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  • #883238
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     Lol. I am done if thats what you see when you study, watch, and assess. I would have to disagree.

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  • #883130
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     Lol. I am done if thats what you see when you study, watch, and assess. I would have to disagree.

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  • #928588
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    Basketman26
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    I told you so…..

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  • #928718
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    Basketman26
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    I told you so…..

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