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  • #5449
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    flexosexo
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    I want to know.

    Both 88′ babies.
    Both PG/SG
    Both 6″3
    Both have same standing reach at 8″1
    Both have same exact wingspan at 6′ 3.5″
    Both have same bench press at 10 reps

    Bayless has superior agility, sprint speed, body fat, vertical leap and weights 204 pounds.
    While Curry is inferior in those aspects and weights only 180 pounds.

    Lets check out their weakness via draftexpress

    Curry
    – Not a true point guard
    – Out of control at times
    – Shot-selection
    – Stuck between 1 and 2
    – Ability to defend position at next level?
    – Lateral quickness
    – Versatility to defend multiple positions
    – Limited upside?
    – Backup/Fringe Starter?
    – College system makes him difficult to evaluate
    – Average athleticism
    – Average size
    – Average wingspan
    – Frail frame
    – Relies too heavily on outside shot

    Bayless
    – Decision making
    – Dominant ball-handler
    – Not a true point guard
    – Shot-selection
    – Stuck between 1 and 2
    – Left hand
    – Ability to defend position at next level?
    – Ability to fight through screens
    – Did not win in college
    – Not ready to contribute immediately
    – Average wingspan
    – Size for position

    Bayless’ first year in the NCAA wasn’t bad at all for a freshman
    20 ppg
    40% 3pt
    4 assist
    that was in the Pac-10 also where he had to go against elite competition so his stats are more valued.

    It took Curry 3 years of college to even get over the 4 assist mark…

    They say Bayless’ downfall would be his inability to lead an offense.
    You could say the same about Curry.

    So why is Curry so hyped up in this draft?
    What makes him so different?
    If Bayless stayed another year, what pick in this draft would he be? Behind Griffin?

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  • #169172
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    LJ23CC
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    This could fall into the down year draft conversation, which I think is a little overblown, but you have a solid point. The difference in my mind is the ability to get off shots for Curry. He has a lightning quick release and can break through more screens even with less room for release. He is more of a 2 than Bayless which could be an advantage in certain sets. His pedigree and the media spectacle he became also enhance his draft status which you cannot take away from him as many players have been given that advantage over the years. Sometimes psychologically that can help a player develop. He is given more opportunities than in this case Bayless who was stuck on a very average team.

    You also cannot deny the fact that Bob Knight called him the “Best Passer in College Basketball” last year. Along with the questionable point guard skills you can argue that he has developed phenomenally and will continue to develop in an NBA system.

    I like the way you are thinking though, Bayless does have more upside with his athleticism, and in my mind could be a better pick down the road. His problem is he is stuck in Portland where there is too much depth in front of him.

    I would say with another year at Arizona on a much better team (Sweet 16 last year), he would of been a top 5 pick if he produced well enough. Definitely at or above the level Curry is as long as his extra year would of been better than his first.

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  • #169177
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    flexosexo
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    Thanks for your reply, LJ

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  • #169178
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    Michael.S.
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    bayless is a attack first guard

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  • #169195
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    STEVEDOT2
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    all i have to say is summer league

    we will see bayless unleashed again

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  • #169199
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    STEVEDOT2
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    oh and petri kopenon should have been signed this year he was the best point gaurd in the summer league he mght have not put up alot of crazzy numbers but the way he brought the ball up the court under full court pressure, his ability to move the ball and orchestra an offense is crazzy they should have traded sergio and signed him alot of scouts had their eyes on him

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  • #169204
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    SmooveKRYPT
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    Bayless is much faster, stronger, and way more athletic…Curry just gets his shot off quicker, but when he’s going up against 6’5-6’8 SG’s on a nightly basis I think it will be much more difficult for him!!!

    I think Bayless would be a sure fire top 5 guy if he stayed another year, but he would’ve played SG all year because Nic Wise was healthy, so that would’ve raised more questions…if POR gets rid of Sergio and lets him get a full 15 minutes a game behind Blake, I think he’ll be ready to take over the reigns in 2010!!!

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  • #169206
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    Remarq
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    I think the difference is simply the strength of the draft, and Bayless’ athleticism.

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  • #169224
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    bluedevils12
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    I still hate the fact that portland held back bayless. He was one of my fav coll players when he was there and i was sure he would have been drafted in the top 5 last year. I was shocked too see him fall but too see him stuck in portland behind blake and sergio was torture. This kid AVERAGED 30 a game in the summer league. i kno its jus the summer league but then again he went at oj and many other rookies and he dominated. I feel jerryd should finally get the start he deserves becuz it sucks that he has too sit behind somebody he destroys on a daily basis. People also dont understand how strong bayless is and how he gets so many and 1 baskets. I feel curry will have a good impact at the next level but he hasnt yet showed me that he can attack off the dribble and finish with authority like bayless. These are 2 truly different players

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  • #169258
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    llperez

    I just don’t think he will be more then a spot up shooter in the league. If defenders lock in on him, he will be mostly ineffective. Give him some room, and he will kill you. Bayless can’t shoot nearly as well as Curry, especially when contested. But his explosiveness getting to the basket is on a whole nother level then Curry’s.

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  • #169311
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    knicksfreak
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    Curry is a much better shooter. Bayless is a slasher with great athleticism.

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  • #170789
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    flexosexo
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    Its foolish to say they’re two truely different players.

    They’re obviously the same in physicals, except Bayless being the superior athlete and Curry being the superior shooter.
    Not that different.

    Bayless will have more success in the NBA than Curry..this is why I view Curry as too hyped and isn’t really that far away from guys like Jeff Teague.

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  • #170791
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    knicksfreak
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    You need to stop comparing players just because of their measurements. Bayless and Curry have totally different games. They are “two truely different players”. Truly?*

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    • #171041
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      flexosexo
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      Not just measurements…you need to stop bitching and making illogical post without taking into consideration of the facts. You’ve been whining this whole thread without bringing one solid fact here

      I layed down all the similaries for you, if you can’t get it then just quit following basketball.

      Curry’s basketball IQ is overrated, he just played about 30 games of PG in college. Bobby Knight can call him the best passer in college over guys like Maynor, Collison, and especially Lawson; which isn’t really true. Just because a pro says doesn’t make it in-scripted truth. If Curry did it for 3 seasons, then you could say he’s an offensive facilitator. But you can’t. He’s just like Bayless

      A 6″3 combo guard who scores first, passes second.

      KEEP IT SIMPLE…especially for the easily confused and illogical.

      Either way in the end, Curry won’t be any better than Bayless.

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  • #170806
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    Pringles
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    It will all boil down to basketball IQ, and I personally believe that Curry blows Bayless away in that category.

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  • #170814
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    Adi Joseph

    I would actually agree with your assessment of where Bayless would fall had he stuck around. He would be the No. 2 pick.

    It’s way too early to start saying that because Curry doesn’t match up well with Bayless, that’s a bad thing. I, for one, believe Bayless is still a potential future All-Star. 

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  • #170864
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    cougars171
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    I’m saying Curry ends up being something like Eddie House. Obviously I hope he doesn’t have a similar on-court personality to Eddie, but I just game translating into a similar role that House has been in throughout his career. Great spot-up shooter, will have trouble creating his own shots against bigger and more athletic guards.

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  • #170865
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    cougars171
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    I’m saying Curry ends up being something like Eddie House. Obviously I hope he doesn’t have a similar on-court personality to Eddie, but I just game translating into a similar role that House has been in throughout his career. Great spot-up shooter, will have trouble creating his own shots against bigger and more athletic guards.

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  • #170877
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    JNixon
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    The only difference is Curry’s release is super quick, way quicker than Bayless’. Bayless elevates on his jumper better so he can shoot over NBA pg’s with ease. Also Bayless is the better athlete by far. They both are almost spitting images of each other honestly

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  • #170914
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    knicksfreak
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    You mentioned differences. How are they alike? They arent. So they’re both undersized scoring guards……..and?

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    • #171040
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      flexosexo
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      Damn…your ignorant ass dont know how to read.
      *Strips you off you Knicks fan badge*
      Scroll up to the first post you monkey.

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  • #171045
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    Masrock

    This kid AVERAGED 30 a game in the summer league

    So did Randy Foye as a rookie. Means jack sh*t.

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  • #579638
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    Penny Jr.
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    After, reading this iam happy that I was a Curry fan…

    Curry defiently proved alot of ppl wrong

     

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  • #579413
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    Penny Jr.
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    After, reading this iam happy that I was a Curry fan…

    Curry defiently proved alot of ppl wrong

     

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  • #579656
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    YurpleHazE
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    Lets keep it real, if Bayless was in the Run N Gun his stats would be just as good if not better than Curry’s……

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  • #579431
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    YurpleHazE
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    Lets keep it real, if Bayless was in the Run N Gun his stats would be just as good if not better than Curry’s……

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  • #579660
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    JNixon
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    He wouldn’t shoot as good though. Not nearly.

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  • #579435
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    JNixon
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    He wouldn’t shoot as good though. Not nearly.

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  • #579668
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    ilike.panochas
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    It all boils down to this, Curry has a high basketball IQ and a student of the game since he was born (the son of a former NBA player), while Bayless who posses god given ability doesn’t posses the IQ to use those tools to his advantage. Its as simple as that. You can compare the two based on stats, and physical attributes, but you can’t measure what a player has inside, and thats where Curry shines.

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  • #579443
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    ilike.panochas
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    It all boils down to this, Curry has a high basketball IQ and a student of the game since he was born (the son of a former NBA player), while Bayless who posses god given ability doesn’t posses the IQ to use those tools to his advantage. Its as simple as that. You can compare the two based on stats, and physical attributes, but you can’t measure what a player has inside, and thats where Curry shines.

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  • #579675
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     Why don’t you back up your bold claim?

    Curry shot 48% last year, including 44% from beyond the arc.

    If you discount his horrid stats with NO, Bayless shot a career high 43% from the field and a career high 35% from beyond the arc while taking shots at a slower rate than Curry.  Would he shoot as good as Curry if he played for GS?  I think that is extremely improbable.  

    Bayless put up similar assist numbers with Toronto to Curry, but that will change if GS trades Ellis and allows Curry to assume full pg duties.  

    And Curry scored 86% more points per game (18.6 to 10.0) than Bayless (while continuing to discount Bayless’ stats with NO) despite playing only 50% more minutes per game (33.6 to 22.4).  Is pace of play alone responsible for that discrepancy?  

    Obviously stats don’t tell the whole story, but I think most people would hold that Curry’s intangibles are superior to those of Bayless and differences in team mate ability and offensive system are not completely responsible for Curry being dramatically more productive than Bayless despite Bayless having been in the league longer and not having to defer to a ball dominant SG.

     

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  • #579449
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     Why don’t you back up your bold claim?

    Curry shot 48% last year, including 44% from beyond the arc.

    If you discount his horrid stats with NO, Bayless shot a career high 43% from the field and a career high 35% from beyond the arc while taking shots at a slower rate than Curry.  Would he shoot as good as Curry if he played for GS?  I think that is extremely improbable.  

    Bayless put up similar assist numbers with Toronto to Curry, but that will change if GS trades Ellis and allows Curry to assume full pg duties.  

    And Curry scored 86% more points per game (18.6 to 10.0) than Bayless (while continuing to discount Bayless’ stats with NO) despite playing only 50% more minutes per game (33.6 to 22.4).  Is pace of play alone responsible for that discrepancy?  

    Obviously stats don’t tell the whole story, but I think most people would hold that Curry’s intangibles are superior to those of Bayless and differences in team mate ability and offensive system are not completely responsible for Curry being dramatically more productive than Bayless despite Bayless having been in the league longer and not having to defer to a ball dominant SG.

     

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  • #579685
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    butidonthavemoney

    flexosexo was cyclo before cyclo was cyclo.

    I think I have a pretty good record when it comes to judging talent but I was completely and utterly wrong about Stephen Curry. I figured he was a Pargo kind of scorer, and his potential was extremely limited. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

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  • #579459
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    butidonthavemoney

    flexosexo was cyclo before cyclo was cyclo.

    I think I have a pretty good record when it comes to judging talent but I was completely and utterly wrong about Stephen Curry. I figured he was a Pargo kind of scorer, and his potential was extremely limited. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

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  • #579691
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    Penny Jr.
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    This jus shows why you cant judge a book by its cover… but, this is nbadraft.net ppl gonna do it anyway

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  • #579465
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    Penny Jr.
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    This jus shows why you cant judge a book by its cover… but, this is nbadraft.net ppl gonna do it anyway

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  • #579711
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    Malik-Universal
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     curry just has more skills than bayless and more polish

    not that difficult to evaluate those aspects

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  • #579485
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    Malik-Universal
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     curry just has more skills than bayless and more polish

    not that difficult to evaluate those aspects

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