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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 4:36am #54320

Ghost01
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So Lunardi has Michigan as the last 1 seed….

But according to my calculations, Duke and Michigan have the same amount of losses, Duke has a better RPI and a better SOS and beat Michigan head to head. Can someone explain this to me?
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 4:57am #879484

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Big Duke fan and I know overall resume goes into this, but just off the eye test, I don’t see how Louisville isn’t a 1 seed.
Joe Lunardi has them as a 3 seed in his latest Bracketology, but in my opinion, they’re the most the dangerous team in the country right now. Their only loss in February and March was at Memphis 72-66, and Memphis is obviously no slouch of a team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the reigning national champs make another Final Four run this season.
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:43am #879502
  
  Hale
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  They don’t have a resume to be a 1 seed, but they’ve been on fire lately so they are definitely a team I wouldn’t wanna face in the tournament right now.
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:43am #879610
  
  Hale
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  They don’t have a resume to be a 1 seed, but they’ve been on fire lately so they are definitely a team I wouldn’t wanna face in the tournament right now.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 4:57am #879592

CameronCrazy11
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Big Duke fan and I know overall resume goes into this, but just off the eye test, I don’t see how Louisville isn’t a 1 seed.
Joe Lunardi has them as a 3 seed in his latest Bracketology, but in my opinion, they’re the most the dangerous team in the country right now. Their only loss in February and March was at Memphis 72-66, and Memphis is obviously no slouch of a team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the reigning national champs make another Final Four run this season.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:37am #879492

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Duke is a good basketball team, but they have four losses to unranked teams. No number one seed should ever have four losses to unranked teams.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:37am #879600

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Duke is a good basketball team, but they have four losses to unranked teams. No number one seed should ever have four losses to unranked teams.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:42am #879500

Hale
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Michigan was the champion of a slightly better conference and their record against top teams is better. Although I personally don’t think either team should be a one seed unless they win comfortably today.
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:47am #879506
  
  capecodder
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  The Big 10 is a deeper conference…..Michigan beat Mich St twice….if they do it again they deserve better than Duke
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:47am #879614
  
  capecodder
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  The Big 10 is a deeper conference…..Michigan beat Mich St twice….if they do it again they deserve better than Duke
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:42am #879608

Hale
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Michigan was the champion of a slightly better conference and their record against top teams is better. Although I personally don’t think either team should be a one seed unless they win comfortably today.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:45am #879504

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I just think the whole system sucks…
I agree that Louisville should be in the conversation, and I just don’t see the whole Michigan thing.
They have played well in conference and beat Wisconsin and MSU twice. But their best non-conference win is Florida St in OT.
Tarheel, I get that argument, I just don’t think it matters who these teams lose to, I am more worried about who they beat. All 4 of Duke’s unranked losses were true road games. Michigan lost at home vs Charlotte. Michigan lost to Indiana who won’t be in the tourney and Iowa who’s unranked. So yeah, there losses are slightly better than Duke’s but they have less quality non-conference wins, less quality non-conference losses, but because theey won the Big 10 that just nixes all the metrics?
I thought RPI, SOS, and BPI were supposed to measure who these teams played, and Duke is ahead of Michigan in all 3 of those.
Like I said, I just don’t get it, I’m not arguing with anyone on it because I don’t really understand it. I agree with the eye test Louisville looks good, but how do we measure that? Are we allowed to measure it? Clearly, Wichita St is getting in on eye test vs resume (which I am fine with) but why doesn’t that apply to other teams?
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 5:45am #879612

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I just think the whole system sucks…
I agree that Louisville should be in the conversation, and I just don’t see the whole Michigan thing.
They have played well in conference and beat Wisconsin and MSU twice. But their best non-conference win is Florida St in OT.
Tarheel, I get that argument, I just don’t think it matters who these teams lose to, I am more worried about who they beat. All 4 of Duke’s unranked losses were true road games. Michigan lost at home vs Charlotte. Michigan lost to Indiana who won’t be in the tourney and Iowa who’s unranked. So yeah, there losses are slightly better than Duke’s but they have less quality non-conference wins, less quality non-conference losses, but because theey won the Big 10 that just nixes all the metrics?
I thought RPI, SOS, and BPI were supposed to measure who these teams played, and Duke is ahead of Michigan in all 3 of those.
Like I said, I just don’t get it, I’m not arguing with anyone on it because I don’t really understand it. I agree with the eye test Louisville looks good, but how do we measure that? Are we allowed to measure it? Clearly, Wichita St is getting in on eye test vs resume (which I am fine with) but why doesn’t that apply to other teams?
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 7:21am #879630

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It doesn’t matter if their four unranked losses were true road games. With a program the caliber of Duke, you can’t lose on the road to Clemson, Notre Dame and Wake Forest and be a number one seed. Duke has been terrible on the road this year. I’ve been critical of Duke playing absolutely zero road games during their non-conference schedule. I posted about it earlier and people were saying it didn’t matter if they never went on the road because NCAA tournament games are at neutral sites. You can’t argue with me that if Duke had actually went on the road in the pre-season they could’ve handled Clemson and Notre Dame and Wake Forest better.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 7:21am #879522

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It doesn’t matter if their four unranked losses were true road games. With a program the caliber of Duke, you can’t lose on the road to Clemson, Notre Dame and Wake Forest and be a number one seed. Duke has been terrible on the road this year. I’ve been critical of Duke playing absolutely zero road games during their non-conference schedule. I posted about it earlier and people were saying it didn’t matter if they never went on the road because NCAA tournament games are at neutral sites. You can’t argue with me that if Duke had actually went on the road in the pre-season they could’ve handled Clemson and Notre Dame and Wake Forest better.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 9:04am #879664

King Calucha
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Currently losing by 4 and 1 minute on the clock
Edit: Losing by 6 now..
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 9:04am #879555

King Calucha
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Currently losing by 4 and 1 minute on the clock
Edit: Losing by 6 now..
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 9:10am #879666
  
  Ghost01
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  Oh there wasn’t a doubt in my mind if they lost today they didn’t deserve it.
  No one wants the last number 1…I think Virginia deserves it but their non-conference resume was pretty suspect.
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 9:10am #879557
  
  Ghost01
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  Oh there wasn’t a doubt in my mind if they lost today they didn’t deserve it.
  No one wants the last number 1…I think Virginia deserves it but their non-conference resume was pretty suspect.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 9:20am #879674
    
    King Calucha
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    No one wants the last number 1? That’s the worst excuse I’ve read… ever.
    I really wanted Duke to win (not a Duke fan, though).
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  - Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 9:20am #879565
    
    King Calucha
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    No one wants the last number 1? That’s the worst excuse I’ve read… ever.
    I really wanted Duke to win (not a Duke fan, though).
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    - Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:23am #879647
      
      Ghost01
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      Lol how is that an excuse?
      Kansas, Nova, and Duke all could have reasonably gotten it if they had 1. And now Michigan is about to lose too.
      It’s not an excuse, its a statement. There is no excuse for Duke, if they wanted it they should have won the tournament and now won’t get it. No excuse.
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    - Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:23am #879756
      
      Ghost01
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      Lol how is that an excuse?
      Kansas, Nova, and Duke all could have reasonably gotten it if they had 1. And now Michigan is about to lose too.
      It’s not an excuse, its a statement. There is no excuse for Duke, if they wanted it they should have won the tournament and now won’t get it. No excuse.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:17am #879631

JoeWolf1
I hate to say it, but I think a lot of commentators were assuming Michigan would win today. Should be interesting to see what Happens. Louisville may squeak in as a 1, now.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/16/2014 - 11:17am #879740

JoeWolf1
I hate to say it, but I think a lot of commentators were assuming Michigan would win today. Should be interesting to see what Happens. Louisville may squeak in as a 1, now.
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Posted on: Mon, 03/17/2014 - 10:13am #879960

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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My guess:
Duke is 5-5 in true road games, and 9-8 away from Cameron whereas Michigan is 7-4 in true road games and 12-6 away from home.
I think the lousy road mark dinged Kentucky (5-6 true road games and 8-8 away from Rupp) to an 8-seed. Louisville was probably a 4-seed due to only 14 of 34 games being against teams in the Top 100 of the RPI, which is the same as 5-seeded Saint Louis (both 9-5) with two more games played (St. Louis also was similarly accomplished away from home). Virginia was rewarded for winning the ACC regular season and tournament despite Villanova having a better resume.

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Posted on: Mon, 03/17/2014 - 10:13am #880071

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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My guess:
Duke is 5-5 in true road games, and 9-8 away from Cameron whereas Michigan is 7-4 in true road games and 12-6 away from home.
I think the lousy road mark dinged Kentucky (5-6 true road games and 8-8 away from Rupp) to an 8-seed. Louisville was probably a 4-seed due to only 14 of 34 games being against teams in the Top 100 of the RPI, which is the same as 5-seeded Saint Louis (both 9-5) with two more games played (St. Louis also was similarly accomplished away from home). Virginia was rewarded for winning the ACC regular season and tournament despite Villanova having a better resume.

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