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- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 8:43am #53896

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipanthttp://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/02/13/adam-silver-commissioner-qa-age-limit/5458701/
Q: Along those lines, what’s your level of optimism when it comes to your goal of raising the minimum age to 20 (years old from 19 when the next CBA is negotiated, likely when there’s an opt-out after the 2016-17 season)?
A: It’s hard to tell. I never quite understood the player opposition. Of course it’s a zero sum game in terms of numbers of jobs, and amount of salary we pay out. We pay out roughly 50% of BRI (basketball-related income), and that’s divided among the players in the league. So there is absolutely, and by definition can’t be, a financial savings to us by increasing the age to 20. It has been our belief that we have a better chance to grow the (financial) pie that gets divided 50-50 if we increase the age and create, in essence, a more competitive league. And it has been our sense for a long time that our draft would be more competitive if our teams had an opportunity to see these players play an additional year, whether it be in college or professionally in the Development League or overseas.
We believe the additional year of maturity would be meaningful. And increasingly, I’ve been told by many NBA coaches that one of the issues with the younger guys coming into the league is they’ve never had an opportunity to lead. By having come directly out of their first year of college, those are the moments in their lives where…they were put in positions as upper classmen, where they first learned how to lead teammates. And ultimately, if you look at our most successful teams, they’re successful because they play as a team and I think that’s one of the beauties of this game is that it’s such an interesting mix of team play and at the same time individual (skill).
A team plays together with individual attributes. It’s that blend that teams are always constantly trying to achieve, the perfect blend. Again though, it’s one of those issues (where) it needs to be collectively bargained, and for good reason. It’s something that during collective bargaining the last time, we had lots of discussions about it with the group of players who were representing the union at the time and I think it’s something that we should continue to discuss. Let me just throw in that at the same time, I think maybe, just to broaden my horizons a little bit, I’m trying to look at it not just from the perspective of the NBA because I believe strong college basketball is also beneficial to the NBA and to the game generally. So even if it’s not terrible for the NBA right now, at least talking to a lot of my college coaching friends and college (athletic director) friends, their view is (that) one and done is a disaster. I think this is one of these issues that the larger basketball community needs to come together and address, not just the NBA owners and our players. Youth basketball and college basketball should have a seat at the table as well.
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A few issues:
If I was to think as the NBPA would be that there needs to be a better supported system within the NBDL for draft-eligible players. If the NBDL-salary cap is $173,000 and a rookie-D-League might make less than $700 a week for a 20-week season, it seems as though it would make sense for the union and league to piece together the relatively small amount of money and fund a team for draft-eligible players to ensure they get coached for the entire season (don’t get waived if injured) and then in the summer league (where the D-League has already entered its select team before). It is hard to argue that players are capable of developing properly when they are with their club for less than half the year, and much of that time is spent going from a hotel in Boise to a hotel in Reno. If Silver and coaches have the understanding that part of the development is having players learn to mix the collection individual skills into a team concept, and then ignore the fact that the one viable minor league option does not really afford that learning opportunity. It is certainly not on the same level as seen in college where teams work together from summer until early April.
Also, people make so much of the one-and-done, but the number of freshmen entrants is not that large. The past three drafts have seen 8 D1 freshmen in 2013, 9 in 2012, and 8 in 2011. There is not a conference in college basketball where coaches do not run off more than 8 or 9 players after their freshmen year. The complaints of college coaches and administrators should not be a part of the equation. The NBA, in collaboration with the players’ union, has the right to put in place employment standards to ensure it remains the elite basketball league in the world. It works against the league when some of its players are entry level players against adults and well-coached opposition. Even though, it was not Enes Kanter’s fault that he did not play at Kentucky, it was not good for the NBA to draft someone in that spot. It is not Chris Walker’s fault the NCAA ruined any chance of him having a productive freshman season. One can argue that is not Dante Exum’s fault that he has the chance to hide out all year and still enter the draft without having to prove himself at a higher level than he has played. It does not benefit the NBA to be in the position of evaluating them with minimal bodies of work. If these loop holes did not exist, it is possible Silver would not be outlining his position so far out.
Third, the path to Europe might be somewhat more viable for players after a year in college. I think competitive teams with money would be much more likely to offer a player a Brandon Jennings-like offer after a good year in college. Whether it is Deshaun Thomas, J’Covan Brown, Sylven Landesberg, Terrell Stoglin, or Nick Calathes, there is a decent track record of productive underclassmen college players doing well in Europe so long as they can handle the differences in culture. We just usually do not see it unless the NBA does not want them (initially at least).
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 8:52am #871725

HaleParticipantGM’s will succeed or fail despite themselves. It has nothing to do with seeing them play an extra year in college.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 8:52am #871830

HaleParticipantGM’s will succeed or fail despite themselves. It has nothing to do with seeing them play an extra year in college.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 8:57am #871730
mplsrawkusParticipanti don’t get the argument that players develope more in college. you don’t have as much time to work on your game in college, to much of your time is taking up with class and studying. if you go straight to the nba all you do is live eat drink sleep basketball. playing and practicing against grown nba players will improve your game faster. to get better you have to play against the best. thomas robinson went 4 years and his skill set is sorry. the flip side is coming into the nba young you have to grow up fast. getting millions of dollars at a young age takes a mature kid to handle that. but the kids who truley wanna be great player will work hard on there games….money or no money. i think players should be able to come out after high school. and if there not ready right away just send them down to the D-league where there still playing against grown men at a higher skill level then college.
0- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:12am #871732
mplsrawkusParticipanti’m not saying i’m a nba level player but i played college ball from 18-20 and i had class all day and studied all night. the only time for hoops was an hour and a half practice in the afternoon a shoot around in the morning and 45 minutes of weight training in the evening. i left college and trained on my own from 20-22 and got 5x better on my own. i hooped and worked on my skills 4 hours a day and lifted for and hour and did speed work or plyo for another hour. theres no way you can put that much work in while in school. ( all that training wasn’t for nothing, i played 4 years pro ball in perth)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:12am #871839
mplsrawkusParticipanti’m not saying i’m a nba level player but i played college ball from 18-20 and i had class all day and studied all night. the only time for hoops was an hour and a half practice in the afternoon a shoot around in the morning and 45 minutes of weight training in the evening. i left college and trained on my own from 20-22 and got 5x better on my own. i hooped and worked on my skills 4 hours a day and lifted for and hour and did speed work or plyo for another hour. theres no way you can put that much work in while in school. ( all that training wasn’t for nothing, i played 4 years pro ball in perth)
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- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 8:57am #871836
mplsrawkusParticipanti don’t get the argument that players develope more in college. you don’t have as much time to work on your game in college, to much of your time is taking up with class and studying. if you go straight to the nba all you do is live eat drink sleep basketball. playing and practicing against grown nba players will improve your game faster. to get better you have to play against the best. thomas robinson went 4 years and his skill set is sorry. the flip side is coming into the nba young you have to grow up fast. getting millions of dollars at a young age takes a mature kid to handle that. but the kids who truley wanna be great player will work hard on there games….money or no money. i think players should be able to come out after high school. and if there not ready right away just send them down to the D-league where there still playing against grown men at a higher skill level then college.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:26am #871736

TarHeelRavenParticipantI think the D League is key. If kids don’t want to go to college. Let them play in the D League first and get paid. Of course it’s not NBA money, but they can get paid and work on their game full-time and not have to worry about going to those cake classes those most athletes in college go to. If they decide to go to college, make them go for a minimum of 2 years. I can’t believe people still think they should let guys go straight to the NBA from high school, for every Lebron and Kobe there are tons more Ndudi Ebi’s.
0- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:41am #871740

3 No Biases 3ParticipantChanging the age limit to 20 would be a joke..
If you wanna go pro straight out of high school you should be able too. This one and done rule and now maybe a 2 and done rule are destroying college basketball…Colleges now have kids who just take up space in classes and want no part of school.
If you don’t want Ndudi Ebi’s then scouts should scout better, teams don’t have to draft high schoolers if they don’t want to.
Make these kids eligible out of high school, if they get drafted great, if not they go to the dleague and then you won’t have to worry about having a kid in college that doesn’t wanna be there.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:41am #871847

3 No Biases 3ParticipantChanging the age limit to 20 would be a joke..
If you wanna go pro straight out of high school you should be able too. This one and done rule and now maybe a 2 and done rule are destroying college basketball…Colleges now have kids who just take up space in classes and want no part of school.
If you don’t want Ndudi Ebi’s then scouts should scout better, teams don’t have to draft high schoolers if they don’t want to.
Make these kids eligible out of high school, if they get drafted great, if not they go to the dleague and then you won’t have to worry about having a kid in college that doesn’t wanna be there.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:42am #871742

HaleParticipantNot true. Statistical evidence shows no signifcant difference between high schoolers success in the NBA vs. any other type of NBA draft entree.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:42am #871849

HaleParticipantNot true. Statistical evidence shows no signifcant difference between high schoolers success in the NBA vs. any other type of NBA draft entree.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:13am #871748

DolanCareParticipantFor the D-League to be a viable option though, I do think the pay needs to be more. D-League salaries usually range from $12,000 to $24,000. And let’s not forget that in college they pay for housing and meals….. Not sure if they do that in the D-League- I would guess the answer is no though.
I just feel bad for kids like Monta Ellis who was forced to go straight to the pros because his family was in deep poverty. It meant getting drafted in the second round unfortunately for him. And god knows young Monta could have used some developmental time.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:13am #871854

DolanCareParticipantFor the D-League to be a viable option though, I do think the pay needs to be more. D-League salaries usually range from $12,000 to $24,000. And let’s not forget that in college they pay for housing and meals….. Not sure if they do that in the D-League- I would guess the answer is no though.
I just feel bad for kids like Monta Ellis who was forced to go straight to the pros because his family was in deep poverty. It meant getting drafted in the second round unfortunately for him. And god knows young Monta could have used some developmental time.
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- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 9:26am #871843

TarHeelRavenParticipantI think the D League is key. If kids don’t want to go to college. Let them play in the D League first and get paid. Of course it’s not NBA money, but they can get paid and work on their game full-time and not have to worry about going to those cake classes those most athletes in college go to. If they decide to go to college, make them go for a minimum of 2 years. I can’t believe people still think they should let guys go straight to the NBA from high school, for every Lebron and Kobe there are tons more Ndudi Ebi’s.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:56am #871750
Memphis MadnessParticipantLet guys declare for the draft after HS or after their freshman year, but they need to either go to college for 2 years or play in the D League. THEN they can come to the NBA after some experience.
Guys wouldn’t be mad about staying in school for two years IF they already had an NBA contract in their back pocket.
I think 20 is too subjective, because you could be 20 as a junior, or some guys finish high school when they are around 20 years old.
0- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 12:59pm #871782

BasketBalAllanParticipantThis would defeat the point of making prospects stay longer to evaluate their talent and progress before committing to giving them millions of $ (the reason that Silver is bringing it up).
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 12:59pm #871889

BasketBalAllanParticipantThis would defeat the point of making prospects stay longer to evaluate their talent and progress before committing to giving them millions of $ (the reason that Silver is bringing it up).
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- Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 10:56am #871856
Memphis MadnessParticipantLet guys declare for the draft after HS or after their freshman year, but they need to either go to college for 2 years or play in the D League. THEN they can come to the NBA after some experience.
Guys wouldn’t be mad about staying in school for two years IF they already had an NBA contract in their back pocket.
I think 20 is too subjective, because you could be 20 as a junior, or some guys finish high school when they are around 20 years old.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 1:13pm #871784
akaftanParticipantIt might be true that high schooler to NBAers have the same amount of success, but are they expected to have the same amount of success? Generally people went form high school to hte NBA if they had a tremendous amount of potential, more than college freshmen, sophomores, etc. If their success is not greater than the average college entrant, than preps-to-pros players are somewhat of a disappointment.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/14/2014 - 1:13pm #871891
akaftanParticipantIt might be true that high schooler to NBAers have the same amount of success, but are they expected to have the same amount of success? Generally people went form high school to hte NBA if they had a tremendous amount of potential, more than college freshmen, sophomores, etc. If their success is not greater than the average college entrant, than preps-to-pros players are somewhat of a disappointment.
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