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  • #53888
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    TEQU1LA
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    From twitter:

     George Karl was just asked who is the 3rd best player in the NBA behind the obvious two. He said “Blake Griffin.”

    I’m glad to see Blake proving his worth this season. No question Griffin has surpass Love & Aldrige as the best PF in the game with A.Davis being 1B. Anyhow, Blake has improve his post game, J and FT shooting this yr dude truly belongs in the conversation as a top 5 player in the league.

     

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     No question???? Pretty sure you could make a pretty solid argument for Aldridge or Love being the top PF in the game. There was just a forum the other day talking about that, and I’m pretty sure a lot of people were taking LA… He’s been unreal this year. 

    K.Love also catches a lot of flack for not winning, but I still think he is a true talent, and you might re-think that hatred if you read the ESPN insider article published the other day… Hold on, I’ll post.. worth the read. 

     

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  • #871588
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     No question???? Pretty sure you could make a pretty solid argument for Aldridge or Love being the top PF in the game. There was just a forum the other day talking about that, and I’m pretty sure a lot of people were taking LA… He’s been unreal this year. 

    K.Love also catches a lot of flack for not winning, but I still think he is a true talent, and you might re-think that hatred if you read the ESPN insider article published the other day… Hold on, I’ll post.. worth the read. 

     

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  • #871696
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    Should Love stay in Minnesota?

    Despite a possible better second half, would Minny’s star force his way out?

    Updated: February 12, 2014, 1:03 PM ET

    By Tom Haberstroh | ESPN Insider

     

    Kevin LoveScott Cunningham/Getty ImagesSunnier days lie ahead for Kevin Love and the Wolves. Is that enough to keep him?

     

    Imagine you are Kevin Love.

    You are 25 years old, just entering your basketball prime. You are averaging 25.7 points, 13.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists while making 36 percent of your 3s. You have the third-highest PER in the NBA, behind some guys named Kevin Durant and LeBron James. You are playing the best ball of your career and some of the best ball we’ve seen in the past decade.

    You have never played with an All-Star in your six seasons in Minnesota. You inexplicably came off the bench for two seasons. Your front office, led by former general manager David Kahn, did not feel you were worth a five-year, $80 million maximum contract, despite averaging 24.9 points and 13.9 rebounds at the time of negotiations in January 2012. So you signed a four-year deal to stay, despite being an Olympian, the league’s leading rebounder and an All-Star all before turning 23.

    You have been forced to play next to marquee acquisitions such as Darko Milicic and Michael Beasley. The team has been awarded four top-six picks in the draft since you came into the league and they selected Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Wesley Johnson and Derrick Williams. Only Rubio hasn’t been a colossal disappointment and even then, it took him two years to arrive. Given a papier-mâché support system, you have never been able to make it to the playoffs.

    Now, in your sixth season, the ship is sinking again.

    Your team is 24-28, six games back in the loss column behind the Dallas Mavericks for the eighth seed in a loaded Western Conference. Kevin Martin, signed to be your star wingman, just broke his thumb and could be out a month, maybe more. Nikola Pekovic has been out for two weeks with ankle bursitis. Rubio, the guy whom Kahn presumably saved the max extension for instead of you, is currently shooting 36 percent from the floor. And Gorgui Diengand Shabazz Muhammad, new president Flip Saunders’ first two draft picks since taking over for Kahn this past summer, have yet to show they can play in the NBA.

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    AP Photo/Alonzo AdamsLove has never played with an All-Star. What could he produce if he did?

    If management incompetence wasn’t enough, you haven’t seen above-freezing temperatures in your city in weeks. On Jan. 27, the high was negative-six in Minneapolis. The high.

    Apparently, even Mother Nature wants you to be miserable at your job.

    So what do you do? Do you march up to Saunders’ office, knock on the door and say "enough’s enough"? After all, your team has just 20 percent odds of making the playoffs and that might be generous considering that the injuries are piling up. You can be a free agent at the end of next season, but you can force your way out as it’s perceived (though not confirmed) Deron Williams did in Utah. Do you make it clear you want out?

    This is perhaps the most fascinating subplot around the NBA as we head into the All-Star Weekend and the trade deadline in eight days. The Timberwolves could make their star available and reset the franchise much like the Jazz did just ahead of the 2011 trade deadline. Williams was in a similar position to Love in 2010-11, with another season left on his contract.

    But Love should wait this one out.

    Given their point differential, which is seventh best in the West, the Timberwolves are playing like a 32-20 team, not one that sits four games under .500. The results should come.

    The difference is that they’ve played horribly down the stretch in key moments. According to nba.com data, the Timberwolves have played 18 contests in which the game was within three points in the final minute. Here’s the score over that time: Opponents 68, Timberwolves 15.

    That’s in 14 minutes of action. Yes, they’ve been outscored by 53 points during that span. Eighteen games within reach and just two wins to show for it. They are an unthinkable 2-16 in those these mega-clutch games.

    Time and time again, the Timberwolves have been kicked in the stomach down the stretch. Enormously deflating and heart-wrenching, yes. But is it sustainable?

    History says no. The minus-53 point differential in final-minute-game-within-three scenarios is the worst we’ve seen pre-All-Star break since the NBA started tracking it in 1997. Only theSacramento Kings in 2008-09 and the Houston Rockets in 2010-11 have seen a differential worse than negative-40 in such situations.

    I decided to look at the 10 worst teams in mega-clutch situations before the All-Star break since 1997 and see how they did after the All-Star break. Remember, these are the chokiest teams in recent memory, combining for a ghastly 58-154 (.274) record in these close games. So how’d they do in the second half of the season in mega-clutch situations?

    Same personnel, vastly different results.

    If their poor clutch performance reflected something inherently flawed about the team’s makeup and not mostly plain ol’ randomness, we’d expect them to choke all season long, right? But they actually did much better, winning 47 percent of these mega-clutch games the rest of the way (52-58). Just four of the 10 teams posted a negative point differential post All-Star break. Again, these squads were practically throwing games for the first half of the season. But the rest of the way, they were outscored by just 14 points overall and five teams posted winning records in these mega-clutch games.

    So Love can feel heartened that these things typically regress toward the mean over the course of the rest of the season and the late-game futility generally doesn’t last. The Timberwolves should be better going forward. And if they don’t show it this season, he shouldn’t feel doomed next season.

    Kevin Love

    AP Photo/Matt SlocumAs the losses mount, so does Love’s frustration.

    The Timberwolves are eight games worse than their Pythagorean record (a formula developed by Bill James and appropriated for basketball by Daryl Morey that estimates what a team’s record should be given how much it scores and allows) and they’re on pace to finish 12 games off, which would break the NBA record of 10 games set by the 1985-86 Seattle SuperSonics and 1958-59 Syracuse Nationals.

    I looked at the 14 teams in NBA history who fell at least eight games short of their Pythagorean record. How did they do the following season? Well, Love might not like this, but nine of the 14 fell short of their record again and only three outperformed their point differential. Two teams hit it right on the money.

    We’re dealing with small sample sizes here, but it’s telling that if we look at in-season results, extremely chokey teams typically right the ship in late-game situations after the break. But unfortunately for teams hoping for luck to swing the other direction in the following season, their dreams haven’t exactly been realized.

     

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  • #871590
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    WolfRob
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    Should Love stay in Minnesota?

    Despite a possible better second half, would Minny’s star force his way out?

    Updated: February 12, 2014, 1:03 PM ET

    By Tom Haberstroh | ESPN Insider

     

    Kevin LoveScott Cunningham/Getty ImagesSunnier days lie ahead for Kevin Love and the Wolves. Is that enough to keep him?

     

    Imagine you are Kevin Love.

    You are 25 years old, just entering your basketball prime. You are averaging 25.7 points, 13.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists while making 36 percent of your 3s. You have the third-highest PER in the NBA, behind some guys named Kevin Durant and LeBron James. You are playing the best ball of your career and some of the best ball we’ve seen in the past decade.

    You have never played with an All-Star in your six seasons in Minnesota. You inexplicably came off the bench for two seasons. Your front office, led by former general manager David Kahn, did not feel you were worth a five-year, $80 million maximum contract, despite averaging 24.9 points and 13.9 rebounds at the time of negotiations in January 2012. So you signed a four-year deal to stay, despite being an Olympian, the league’s leading rebounder and an All-Star all before turning 23.

    You have been forced to play next to marquee acquisitions such as Darko Milicic and Michael Beasley. The team has been awarded four top-six picks in the draft since you came into the league and they selected Ricky Rubio, Jonny Flynn, Wesley Johnson and Derrick Williams. Only Rubio hasn’t been a colossal disappointment and even then, it took him two years to arrive. Given a papier-mâché support system, you have never been able to make it to the playoffs.

    Now, in your sixth season, the ship is sinking again.

    Your team is 24-28, six games back in the loss column behind the Dallas Mavericks for the eighth seed in a loaded Western Conference. Kevin Martin, signed to be your star wingman, just broke his thumb and could be out a month, maybe more. Nikola Pekovic has been out for two weeks with ankle bursitis. Rubio, the guy whom Kahn presumably saved the max extension for instead of you, is currently shooting 36 percent from the floor. And Gorgui Diengand Shabazz Muhammad, new president Flip Saunders’ first two draft picks since taking over for Kahn this past summer, have yet to show they can play in the NBA.

    [+] EnlargeKevin Love

    AP Photo/Alonzo AdamsLove has never played with an All-Star. What could he produce if he did?

    If management incompetence wasn’t enough, you haven’t seen above-freezing temperatures in your city in weeks. On Jan. 27, the high was negative-six in Minneapolis. The high.

    Apparently, even Mother Nature wants you to be miserable at your job.

    So what do you do? Do you march up to Saunders’ office, knock on the door and say "enough’s enough"? After all, your team has just 20 percent odds of making the playoffs and that might be generous considering that the injuries are piling up. You can be a free agent at the end of next season, but you can force your way out as it’s perceived (though not confirmed) Deron Williams did in Utah. Do you make it clear you want out?

    This is perhaps the most fascinating subplot around the NBA as we head into the All-Star Weekend and the trade deadline in eight days. The Timberwolves could make their star available and reset the franchise much like the Jazz did just ahead of the 2011 trade deadline. Williams was in a similar position to Love in 2010-11, with another season left on his contract.

    But Love should wait this one out.

    Given their point differential, which is seventh best in the West, the Timberwolves are playing like a 32-20 team, not one that sits four games under .500. The results should come.

    The difference is that they’ve played horribly down the stretch in key moments. According to nba.com data, the Timberwolves have played 18 contests in which the game was within three points in the final minute. Here’s the score over that time: Opponents 68, Timberwolves 15.

    That’s in 14 minutes of action. Yes, they’ve been outscored by 53 points during that span. Eighteen games within reach and just two wins to show for it. They are an unthinkable 2-16 in those these mega-clutch games.

    Time and time again, the Timberwolves have been kicked in the stomach down the stretch. Enormously deflating and heart-wrenching, yes. But is it sustainable?

    History says no. The minus-53 point differential in final-minute-game-within-three scenarios is the worst we’ve seen pre-All-Star break since the NBA started tracking it in 1997. Only theSacramento Kings in 2008-09 and the Houston Rockets in 2010-11 have seen a differential worse than negative-40 in such situations.

    I decided to look at the 10 worst teams in mega-clutch situations before the All-Star break since 1997 and see how they did after the All-Star break. Remember, these are the chokiest teams in recent memory, combining for a ghastly 58-154 (.274) record in these close games. So how’d they do in the second half of the season in mega-clutch situations?

    Same personnel, vastly different results.

    If their poor clutch performance reflected something inherently flawed about the team’s makeup and not mostly plain ol’ randomness, we’d expect them to choke all season long, right? But they actually did much better, winning 47 percent of these mega-clutch games the rest of the way (52-58). Just four of the 10 teams posted a negative point differential post All-Star break. Again, these squads were practically throwing games for the first half of the season. But the rest of the way, they were outscored by just 14 points overall and five teams posted winning records in these mega-clutch games.

    So Love can feel heartened that these things typically regress toward the mean over the course of the rest of the season and the late-game futility generally doesn’t last. The Timberwolves should be better going forward. And if they don’t show it this season, he shouldn’t feel doomed next season.

    Kevin Love

    AP Photo/Matt SlocumAs the losses mount, so does Love’s frustration.

    The Timberwolves are eight games worse than their Pythagorean record (a formula developed by Bill James and appropriated for basketball by Daryl Morey that estimates what a team’s record should be given how much it scores and allows) and they’re on pace to finish 12 games off, which would break the NBA record of 10 games set by the 1985-86 Seattle SuperSonics and 1958-59 Syracuse Nationals.

    I looked at the 14 teams in NBA history who fell at least eight games short of their Pythagorean record. How did they do the following season? Well, Love might not like this, but nine of the 14 fell short of their record again and only three outperformed their point differential. Two teams hit it right on the money.

    We’re dealing with small sample sizes here, but it’s telling that if we look at in-season results, extremely chokey teams typically right the ship in late-game situations after the break. But unfortunately for teams hoping for luck to swing the other direction in the following season, their dreams haven’t exactly been realized.

     

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    • #871794
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       I like how it says they are bad in the clutch but it’s an article supporting their best player. Kevin Love is outstanding but there is no evidence he plays winning basketball. I’m not sure the Clippers would’ve stayed afloat with him instead of Blake. Could be but I think Blake commands more attention in the post. Love does his damage from more spots. Both great players but I have to give the edge to Blake. It’s close. 

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    • #871901
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       I like how it says they are bad in the clutch but it’s an article supporting their best player. Kevin Love is outstanding but there is no evidence he plays winning basketball. I’m not sure the Clippers would’ve stayed afloat with him instead of Blake. Could be but I think Blake commands more attention in the post. Love does his damage from more spots. Both great players but I have to give the edge to Blake. It’s close. 

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  • #871700
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    TEQU1LA
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    Let’s not make this a post about Love’s lack of a supporting cast. Fact is, Pekovic is a top C in the NBA, and Martin, Rubio, Budinger, Mbah Moute, Brewer are all quality players. Yet, the Wolves are still a subpar below .500 team and rightfully so, that falls on Love’s shoulders. He’s without question a great player who puts up great numbers every night but that doesn’t translate to W’s. Take Blake for example, once CP3 went down everyone thought the Clips where finish but Blake put the team on his back and kept them a float in the tough west, that what the greats do. As far as Aldridge is concern the man has definetly been great no denying that but like yesterday game showed us when the Clips needed a basket Blake was there to hit em. He is simply playing at another Level right now, that’s why I rank him above Aldridge and Love two very good players in their own right but not at the level Blake is playing right now.

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  • #871594
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    TEQU1LA
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    Let’s not make this a post about Love’s lack of a supporting cast. Fact is, Pekovic is a top C in the NBA, and Martin, Rubio, Budinger, Mbah Moute, Brewer are all quality players. Yet, the Wolves are still a subpar below .500 team and rightfully so, that falls on Love’s shoulders. He’s without question a great player who puts up great numbers every night but that doesn’t translate to W’s. Take Blake for example, once CP3 went down everyone thought the Clips where finish but Blake put the team on his back and kept them a float in the tough west, that what the greats do. As far as Aldridge is concern the man has definetly been great no denying that but like yesterday game showed us when the Clips needed a basket Blake was there to hit em. He is simply playing at another Level right now, that’s why I rank him above Aldridge and Love two very good players in their own right but not at the level Blake is playing right now.

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    • #871775
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       Pekovic is not a top NBA Center.  He is pretty average and doesn’t fit well next to Love at all.  Rubio and Brewer are both below average starters.  Budinger has been injured most of the year and has struggled when healthy.  Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved are shooting very poorly on the year.  Kevin Martin is the player other than Love who is an above average starter.

      Replace Love with Aldridge, Griffin or Dirk, I doubt the T’Wolves win any more.  They would probably be worse.  They are just below .500 in the West with a no good shooters other than Love and K-Mart and defensive liabilities at every position.  Love is their best defender.  He is not to blame for their defensive woes.  He isn’t great on that end, but he is an elite defensive rebounder who is good statistically on defense.  

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    • #871669
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       Pekovic is not a top NBA Center.  He is pretty average and doesn’t fit well next to Love at all.  Rubio and Brewer are both below average starters.  Budinger has been injured most of the year and has struggled when healthy.  Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved are shooting very poorly on the year.  Kevin Martin is the player other than Love who is an above average starter.

      Replace Love with Aldridge, Griffin or Dirk, I doubt the T’Wolves win any more.  They would probably be worse.  They are just below .500 in the West with a no good shooters other than Love and K-Mart and defensive liabilities at every position.  Love is their best defender.  He is not to blame for their defensive woes.  He isn’t great on that end, but he is an elite defensive rebounder who is good statistically on defense.  

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      • #871781
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        Excuses for Love every single season… 

        Last year it was injuries. This season it’s because his supporting cast (the same guys that were injured last season) aren’t good enough? 

         

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      • #871675
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        Excuses for Love every single season… 

        Last year it was injuries. This season it’s because his supporting cast (the same guys that were injured last season) aren’t good enough? 

         

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        • #871699
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           I’m not saying Love is definitely the league’s top PF, but he is in the conversation.  Blake Griffin isn’t even the best player on his team.  The Pelicans aren’t any better than the T’Wolves.  And the Blazers last season were significantly worse than the T’Wolves are this season despite having a significantly more talented lineup than the T’Wolves have this season.  

           

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        • #871805
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           I’m not saying Love is definitely the league’s top PF, but he is in the conversation.  Blake Griffin isn’t even the best player on his team.  The Pelicans aren’t any better than the T’Wolves.  And the Blazers last season were significantly worse than the T’Wolves are this season despite having a significantly more talented lineup than the T’Wolves have this season.  

           

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  • #871726
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     Blake ain’t even as good as Anthony Davis

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  • #871620
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    JordanC20
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     Blake ain’t even as good as Anthony Davis

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  • #871757
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     I don’t know if I agree with Karl, but Blake has been balling lately. He has answered the call for someone to lead the Clips when CP3 went down, and he handled it emphatically. Even with Paul easing back into the lineup and playing his way back into game shape, Griffin keeps tearing it up.

    Blake has put up 30.8 ppg on 58% shooting over his last 10 games, to go with 8.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists. Head to head against LaMarcus Aldridge on Wednesday he went for 36 and 10 and LA beat Portland. He put up 43 and 15 against the Defending champs a week ago in a close loss without Chris Paul.

    If Durant wasn’t rolling the way he is right now, we’d all be talking about Griffin. He’s really upped his game this year, but his true test will be the post season. That is where he’ll truly be judged, but he’s playing really really well right now.

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  • #871651
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     I don’t know if I agree with Karl, but Blake has been balling lately. He has answered the call for someone to lead the Clips when CP3 went down, and he handled it emphatically. Even with Paul easing back into the lineup and playing his way back into game shape, Griffin keeps tearing it up.

    Blake has put up 30.8 ppg on 58% shooting over his last 10 games, to go with 8.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists. Head to head against LaMarcus Aldridge on Wednesday he went for 36 and 10 and LA beat Portland. He put up 43 and 15 against the Defending champs a week ago in a close loss without Chris Paul.

    If Durant wasn’t rolling the way he is right now, we’d all be talking about Griffin. He’s really upped his game this year, but his true test will be the post season. That is where he’ll truly be judged, but he’s playing really really well right now.

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  • #871685
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    Let’s settle this at the All Star Game.

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  • #871791
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    Memphis Madness
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    Let’s settle this at the All Star Game.

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  • #871687
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    You can make a great case for Blake Griffin right now. A lot of people thought the Clippers would really struggle without Chris Paul and Griffin put up MVP type numbers and the Clippers didn’t miss a beat. I’d rank Griffin 3rd in the MVP vote behind Kevin Durant and LeBron James. 

    Lamarcus Aldridge has been phenomenal this season, but the Blazers have come back down to Earth losing back to back games to the 76ers and Kings in Jan. They’re like 4-6 their last ten games. 

    Kevin Love is putting up great numbers this season, but it’s not leading to wins. Injuries have always been the excuse. His team has been healthy this season and they’re still a non-playoff team and can’t get over .500. 

    I have no problem with saying Griffin is the best power forward right now. He’s scoring efficiently (shooting the ball very well), improved his free-throw shooting and he’s making his teammates better. He’s a legit low post player this season and you have to double him. When teams do, he makes the right plays. He’s just playing great team basketball right now. Defensively, he’s getting better. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #872020
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      It has to be said they’ve had a very easy schedule after CP3’s injury and they have a negative record against .500 or better teams during that stretch (and most of their wins against good teams were against blah winning teams like Chicago or Atlanta). Not to say what Blake is doing isn’t remarkable, but it’s certainly been a bit easier.

      It’s true Love’s numbers aren’t translating in wins and there’s always somebody making up excuses for him, but it’s also true that Minnesota has been terrible without him. He definitely deserves some of the criticism, but I still think he’s an amazing player.

      All in all, if I have to chose a power forward for my team to play playoffs ball, I’m still taking my old Duncan and Nowitzki over any of those youngsters. They obviously can’t post the same numbers in the regular season because Pop and Carlisle want to save them for the playoffs, but I have no doubts on who I would go to war with.

       

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      It has to be said they’ve had a very easy schedule after CP3’s injury and they have a negative record against .500 or better teams during that stretch (and most of their wins against good teams were against blah winning teams like Chicago or Atlanta). Not to say what Blake is doing isn’t remarkable, but it’s certainly been a bit easier.

      It’s true Love’s numbers aren’t translating in wins and there’s always somebody making up excuses for him, but it’s also true that Minnesota has been terrible without him. He definitely deserves some of the criticism, but I still think he’s an amazing player.

      All in all, if I have to chose a power forward for my team to play playoffs ball, I’m still taking my old Duncan and Nowitzki over any of those youngsters. They obviously can’t post the same numbers in the regular season because Pop and Carlisle want to save them for the playoffs, but I have no doubts on who I would go to war with.

       

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  • #871793
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    You can make a great case for Blake Griffin right now. A lot of people thought the Clippers would really struggle without Chris Paul and Griffin put up MVP type numbers and the Clippers didn’t miss a beat. I’d rank Griffin 3rd in the MVP vote behind Kevin Durant and LeBron James. 

    Lamarcus Aldridge has been phenomenal this season, but the Blazers have come back down to Earth losing back to back games to the 76ers and Kings in Jan. They’re like 4-6 their last ten games. 

    Kevin Love is putting up great numbers this season, but it’s not leading to wins. Injuries have always been the excuse. His team has been healthy this season and they’re still a non-playoff team and can’t get over .500. 

    I have no problem with saying Griffin is the best power forward right now. He’s scoring efficiently (shooting the ball very well), improved his free-throw shooting and he’s making his teammates better. He’s a legit low post player this season and you have to double him. When teams do, he makes the right plays. He’s just playing great team basketball right now. Defensively, he’s getting better. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #871723
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    Hector_Reyes_8
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    Tequila must be what you drink for breakfast in order for you to say that Blake is obviously better than Aldridge and Davis.

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  • #871828
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    Hector_Reyes_8
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    Tequila must be what you drink for breakfast in order for you to say that Blake is obviously better than Aldridge and Davis.

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  • #871738
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    TEQU1LA
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     It’s better than that hatorade ur drinkin, brah. It’s causing you not to appreciate what Blake is doing this yr. the man has been dominant, give him his due

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    TEQU1LA
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     It’s better than that hatorade ur drinkin, brah. It’s causing you not to appreciate what Blake is doing this yr. the man has been dominant, give him his due

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  • #871764
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    No doubt that Griffin has been playing the best ball of his career, but him being the best PF is by no means a slam dunk. (See what I did there?)

    Others have mentioned Love and Aldridge, and they deserve to be in the conversation, but I am surprised at how little run Dirk is getting on this thread. The dude is shooting 50/40/90 and that team just keeps winning. Which of the other 3 do you think would have that Mavericks team in playoff position? The man is a winner.

    Love doesn’t know how to win yet but I think he will figure it out. Don’t forget that Griffin didn’t know how until CP3 showed up and this is really the first time that Aldridge has made this noise (been good a long time though).

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    No doubt that Griffin has been playing the best ball of his career, but him being the best PF is by no means a slam dunk. (See what I did there?)

    Others have mentioned Love and Aldridge, and they deserve to be in the conversation, but I am surprised at how little run Dirk is getting on this thread. The dude is shooting 50/40/90 and that team just keeps winning. Which of the other 3 do you think would have that Mavericks team in playoff position? The man is a winner.

    Love doesn’t know how to win yet but I think he will figure it out. Don’t forget that Griffin didn’t know how until CP3 showed up and this is really the first time that Aldridge has made this noise (been good a long time though).

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    Am I the only one who’s not impressed with George Karl as an analyst.Great , great coach, but his takes on the league are kinda strange, and he always sounds like he should be on cspan. That said if we’re talking about the first 12 days of February in a vacuum then maybe you have a case for Griffen as the best Pf in the game. Otherwise in the big picture you can’t tell me he’s better than Aldridge. Aldridge has never dunked over a car, but defensively, rebounding, positions, free throw shooting all go in Aldridges favor. Plus he’s been leading a top team all year long, not just for the past 3 weeks.

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    Am I the only one who’s not impressed with George Karl as an analyst.Great , great coach, but his takes on the league are kinda strange, and he always sounds like he should be on cspan. That said if we’re talking about the first 12 days of February in a vacuum then maybe you have a case for Griffen as the best Pf in the game. Otherwise in the big picture you can’t tell me he’s better than Aldridge. Aldridge has never dunked over a car, but defensively, rebounding, positions, free throw shooting all go in Aldridges favor. Plus he’s been leading a top team all year long, not just for the past 3 weeks.

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     Both JoeWolf and Indiana hit it on the head…

    There is nothing more debatable then who is 3rd behind LBJ and Durant. Blake has averaged over 27 PPG in CP3’s absense, and the team hasn’t lost its ways at all. He has an extreme amount of talent, and has really improve this year. 

    I’m fine with arguing Paul George or someone like that, but Griffin has been great.

    And I agree the PF argument is worth discussing, but I really do think Blake has taken the league as the best PF in the league. 

     

     

     

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     Both JoeWolf and Indiana hit it on the head…

    There is nothing more debatable then who is 3rd behind LBJ and Durant. Blake has averaged over 27 PPG in CP3’s absense, and the team hasn’t lost its ways at all. He has an extreme amount of talent, and has really improve this year. 

    I’m fine with arguing Paul George or someone like that, but Griffin has been great.

    And I agree the PF argument is worth discussing, but I really do think Blake has taken the league as the best PF in the league. 

     

     

     

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    Without even getting into the argument of who the best PF in the game is, I’m a bit surprised that George Karl is rating Griffin better than Chris Paul. In my mind the top 3 in the league is definitely LBJ, KD, CP3.

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    Without even getting into the argument of who the best PF in the game is, I’m a bit surprised that George Karl is rating Griffin better than Chris Paul. In my mind the top 3 in the league is definitely LBJ, KD, CP3.

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