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- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:07am #53575
jaycee24ParticipantI’d really hate to see Greg Monroe and/or Stuckey shipped out of Detroit due to another Joe Dumars blunder in the signing of Josh Smith. That said I realize the trade options are slim for the Pistons so my questions are, is Josh Smith’s contract completely immovable? Are there any teams that may have interest or where he would be a fit? Do you guys think he’d be worth keeping if he was able to move back to the 4? Could Jennings be on the move?
Appreciate any feedback
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:12am #865618
machu46ParticipantMy gut is that they’ll hang onto Jennings and continue to try to "develop" him into a pure point guard, even though I think he’s a lost cause in that regard.
And I think they’ll move Monroe simply because he’s much easier to move.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:12am #865513
machu46ParticipantMy gut is that they’ll hang onto Jennings and continue to try to "develop" him into a pure point guard, even though I think he’s a lost cause in that regard.
And I think they’ll move Monroe simply because he’s much easier to move.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:52am #865622
jaycee24ParticipantYeah I think whoever came to that conclusion in terms of Jennings is delusional. He’s SUPER limited and I honestly think his level of production may be at its peak right now. If he has any injury that limits his quickness in the slightest bit he’s done for. And as far as Monroe I think it’d be unfair to move him not because they don’t want him but because they can’t move anyone else. At this point I’d be happy with giving away Smith and/or Jennings for next to nothing and hopefully tank enough to keep their top 8 protected pick.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:52am #865517
jaycee24ParticipantYeah I think whoever came to that conclusion in terms of Jennings is delusional. He’s SUPER limited and I honestly think his level of production may be at its peak right now. If he has any injury that limits his quickness in the slightest bit he’s done for. And as far as Monroe I think it’d be unfair to move him not because they don’t want him but because they can’t move anyone else. At this point I’d be happy with giving away Smith and/or Jennings for next to nothing and hopefully tank enough to keep their top 8 protected pick.
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 7:31am #865637
SpartanGloryParticipantAgreed. Smith should be moved at all costs, even though that probably won’t happen. Who the heck is holding Dumars responsible for these decisions? Does he just have free reign to screw up this franchise every couple years? Maybe someone like the lakers will bite… I have no clue who would actually take smith right now though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 7:31am #865533
SpartanGloryParticipantAgreed. Smith should be moved at all costs, even though that probably won’t happen. Who the heck is holding Dumars responsible for these decisions? Does he just have free reign to screw up this franchise every couple years? Maybe someone like the lakers will bite… I have no clue who would actually take smith right now though.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 7:59am #865539
jaycee24ParticipantI heard Brooklyn but I doubt it now that they’ve gotten hot and the East being so weak. I thought Minnesota could be a nice fit but Detroit would get nothing back, Utah if they feel the need to win 3-4 more games this year…I mean like I said slim options. Wouldn’t mind him in Indiana for Granger but I doubt that even being considered so who knows.
Its actually sickening what Joe’s done in one year to what was probably the most if not one of the most talented rosters in the league to now being a mediocre uninteresting franchise in shambles. Literally none of our offseason moves have worked out (Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith, Luigi Datome, Chauncey) Although I appreciate having Chauncey back and I predict he’ll be employed at some level in Detroit well after his playing career. I can’t stand watching Mo Cheeks, watching about Mo Cheeks or even thinking about him…his explanations always come off as uninterested, never giving any insight or even expressing concern. When you let double digit leads slip away in the 4th quarter repeatedly and your head coach doesn’t so much as bat an eye you have a major issue…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 7:59am #865643
jaycee24ParticipantI heard Brooklyn but I doubt it now that they’ve gotten hot and the East being so weak. I thought Minnesota could be a nice fit but Detroit would get nothing back, Utah if they feel the need to win 3-4 more games this year…I mean like I said slim options. Wouldn’t mind him in Indiana for Granger but I doubt that even being considered so who knows.
Its actually sickening what Joe’s done in one year to what was probably the most if not one of the most talented rosters in the league to now being a mediocre uninteresting franchise in shambles. Literally none of our offseason moves have worked out (Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith, Luigi Datome, Chauncey) Although I appreciate having Chauncey back and I predict he’ll be employed at some level in Detroit well after his playing career. I can’t stand watching Mo Cheeks, watching about Mo Cheeks or even thinking about him…his explanations always come off as uninterested, never giving any insight or even expressing concern. When you let double digit leads slip away in the 4th quarter repeatedly and your head coach doesn’t so much as bat an eye you have a major issue…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 8:15am #865541
cuseflynn10ParticipantNot too long ago, I said the Pistons should see if they could trade Smith for Asik, Brooks, and some picks. People pretty much said it made sense as long as Asik got more PT. Asik would get a decent bump in PT.
But how about this idea: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q7uhzwa
Smith to the Rockets. Amare, Brooks and Rockets 2014 first rounder to Detroit. Jennings and Asik to NY.
Rockets get rid of a disgruntled backup for an athletic starter. Detroit adds 1.5 years of a bad contract, but get rid of two bad deals in return, and add a pick this year. NY gets a much need defender inside and another scoring option in Jennings.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 8:15am #865645
cuseflynn10ParticipantNot too long ago, I said the Pistons should see if they could trade Smith for Asik, Brooks, and some picks. People pretty much said it made sense as long as Asik got more PT. Asik would get a decent bump in PT.
But how about this idea: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q7uhzwa
Smith to the Rockets. Amare, Brooks and Rockets 2014 first rounder to Detroit. Jennings and Asik to NY.
Rockets get rid of a disgruntled backup for an athletic starter. Detroit adds 1.5 years of a bad contract, but get rid of two bad deals in return, and add a pick this year. NY gets a much need defender inside and another scoring option in Jennings.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 8:50am #865551
jaycee24ParticipantNo way Houston is going to want to give up anything they value like a 1st rounder or even a trade asset like Asik for Josh Smith. If Parsons was out or they’d been struggling this year I’d give that idea some hope but with the way Jones has fit right in and considering the length and dollar amount of Smith’s contract I’d bet my life that never happens. However I wish it did!
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 1:48pm #865594
cuseflynn10ParticipantCan’t say I disagree cause the Rockets aren’t in a position where they have to make a move. I was just thinking that maybe the Rockets would rather Josh Smith at $13 million next year rather than Asik at $15 million coming off the bench behind Howard . They’d actually be saving two million if I’m remembering their 2014-15 contracts correctly. They would still have two years after that with Smith, but considering they are already shopping Asik, this might be the best they could get for him. If Asik didn’t have that crazy contract I think he’d be gone by now.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 1:48pm #865698
cuseflynn10ParticipantCan’t say I disagree cause the Rockets aren’t in a position where they have to make a move. I was just thinking that maybe the Rockets would rather Josh Smith at $13 million next year rather than Asik at $15 million coming off the bench behind Howard . They’d actually be saving two million if I’m remembering their 2014-15 contracts correctly. They would still have two years after that with Smith, but considering they are already shopping Asik, this might be the best they could get for him. If Asik didn’t have that crazy contract I think he’d be gone by now.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 8:50am #865656
jaycee24ParticipantNo way Houston is going to want to give up anything they value like a 1st rounder or even a trade asset like Asik for Josh Smith. If Parsons was out or they’d been struggling this year I’d give that idea some hope but with the way Jones has fit right in and considering the length and dollar amount of Smith’s contract I’d bet my life that never happens. However I wish it did!
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:08am #865557
SpartanGloryParticipantTrying to get to the rim against smith and Howard would be scary though…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:08am #865662
SpartanGloryParticipantTrying to get to the rim against smith and Howard would be scary though…
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:12am #865559
jaycee24ParticipantYeah ya know on 2nd thought that would be a hell of a tough front line to get through but Josh is flat out overpaid he should be making no more than 10.5-11 mil this year and that’s really the only reason Houston wouldn’t bite
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:12am #865664
jaycee24ParticipantYeah ya know on 2nd thought that would be a hell of a tough front line to get through but Josh is flat out overpaid he should be making no more than 10.5-11 mil this year and that’s really the only reason Houston wouldn’t bite
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:40am #865567
juves4783Participanti can see how the numbers make sense but i think the rockets are getting decent production from terrence jones at probably a 1/10 of the cost. both are undersized, athletic lefties that don’t shoot very well. plus, you don’t want to throw smith in because there won’t be enough shots for harden, parsons and howard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:40am #865671
juves4783Participanti can see how the numbers make sense but i think the rockets are getting decent production from terrence jones at probably a 1/10 of the cost. both are undersized, athletic lefties that don’t shoot very well. plus, you don’t want to throw smith in because there won’t be enough shots for harden, parsons and howard.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:41am #865569
Sharp ShooterParticipantAnother day another Joosh smith bashing…I understand that he not performing the way we expected but im getting tired of people always bashing him like he the lone pistons that screws every thing up. Actually he not the main problem because the last two months he’s been spending most of his minutes at pf and has been producing great numbers. There are so many factors why detroit hasn’t lived up to the expectations;
1. Brandon Jennings gets burned by almost every starting guard in the league.
2.Brandon Jennings rarely feeds monroe the ball in the post.
3. Drummond picks up the most ill-advised fouls and can’t stay out of foul trouble.
4. Monroe is a huge liability on defense, in general.
5. KCP shot is too inconsistent.
6. The bench players minutes are too inconsistent. (outside of stuckey and singler)
7. Bynum only looks for shots only for himself, thus stallling the offense.
8. Their overall team defense is atrocious
9. Their offense is predictable ( one pass, one shot offense)
10. Mo Cheeks has no idea what he’s doing….(I would’ve preferred avery johnson).
FINALLY, THEY CANNOT CLOSE OUT GAMES!!
So I wish bloggers/writers can stop using josh smith as scrape goat, like he’s the lone problem.The pistons were like this last season, and the season before. Anyone who seen the games will understand this. The closest player to being consistent would be Rodney Stuckey.
And to answer some of your questions about josh smith, the closest team to take on his contract IMO would be Brooklyn, Milwaukee, NOLA and New York.
And I could see Milwaukee giving up Mayo, Neal and Henson for Smith and Jerebko (works in the trade machine)
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NOLA sends Anderson (once he heals) and Gordon for Smith and expir. of Villanueva. Nola get another versatile forward that helps Davis downlow. Detroit gets shooters in Anderson and gordon.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 9:41am #865673
Sharp ShooterParticipantAnother day another Joosh smith bashing…I understand that he not performing the way we expected but im getting tired of people always bashing him like he the lone pistons that screws every thing up. Actually he not the main problem because the last two months he’s been spending most of his minutes at pf and has been producing great numbers. There are so many factors why detroit hasn’t lived up to the expectations;
1. Brandon Jennings gets burned by almost every starting guard in the league.
2.Brandon Jennings rarely feeds monroe the ball in the post.
3. Drummond picks up the most ill-advised fouls and can’t stay out of foul trouble.
4. Monroe is a huge liability on defense, in general.
5. KCP shot is too inconsistent.
6. The bench players minutes are too inconsistent. (outside of stuckey and singler)
7. Bynum only looks for shots only for himself, thus stallling the offense.
8. Their overall team defense is atrocious
9. Their offense is predictable ( one pass, one shot offense)
10. Mo Cheeks has no idea what he’s doing….(I would’ve preferred avery johnson).
FINALLY, THEY CANNOT CLOSE OUT GAMES!!
So I wish bloggers/writers can stop using josh smith as scrape goat, like he’s the lone problem.The pistons were like this last season, and the season before. Anyone who seen the games will understand this. The closest player to being consistent would be Rodney Stuckey.
And to answer some of your questions about josh smith, the closest team to take on his contract IMO would be Brooklyn, Milwaukee, NOLA and New York.
And I could see Milwaukee giving up Mayo, Neal and Henson for Smith and Jerebko (works in the trade machine)
or
NOLA sends Anderson (once he heals) and Gordon for Smith and expir. of Villanueva. Nola get another versatile forward that helps Davis downlow. Detroit gets shooters in Anderson and gordon.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 11:37am #865588
jaycee24ParticipantIt’s not a Josh Smith bashing as much as a Joe Dumars bashing. Look I’m not doubtful that Smith can produce at some level he’s simply not in the correct role. That said you put him at power forward and he still isn’t worth 13.5 million dollars. Paul Milsap is thriving and winning in the same spot but making 4 million less a year. There’s no excuse as to why Detroit brought this guy with the roster they have. Everything you just listed is a result of Dumars bringing in guys that don’t fit. He’s basically brought out the worst in the guys we have.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 11:37am #865692
jaycee24ParticipantIt’s not a Josh Smith bashing as much as a Joe Dumars bashing. Look I’m not doubtful that Smith can produce at some level he’s simply not in the correct role. That said you put him at power forward and he still isn’t worth 13.5 million dollars. Paul Milsap is thriving and winning in the same spot but making 4 million less a year. There’s no excuse as to why Detroit brought this guy with the roster they have. Everything you just listed is a result of Dumars bringing in guys that don’t fit. He’s basically brought out the worst in the guys we have.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 2:22pm #865598
jaycee24ParticipantSmiths played 41% of DET minutes at SF, 31% at PF
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 2:22pm #865702
jaycee24ParticipantSmiths played 41% of DET minutes at SF, 31% at PF
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 3:09pm #865600
YouthinkyouknowParticipantPeople seem to really hate jennings in this site. I think he is progressing well and is top 5 in assist it’s going to take time for this team to gel people have no patience. Yes they have a few holes but know body has even given it a chance to work. Monroe will not be inDET next year and they knew this which is probably why they signed smith as insurance. People need to relax
0- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:50pm #865621
SpartanGloryParticipantYou have it backwards, Detroit fans had patience by wanting to stand pat and build through the draft. Joe Dumars is the one who blew his load and Signed two players that should be on "win now" teams, where as the rest of the pistons roster is still developing. We were in the perfect position to add one more piece in the draft, then sign someone NEXT offseason and be set for years.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:50pm #865726
SpartanGloryParticipantYou have it backwards, Detroit fans had patience by wanting to stand pat and build through the draft. Joe Dumars is the one who blew his load and Signed two players that should be on "win now" teams, where as the rest of the pistons roster is still developing. We were in the perfect position to add one more piece in the draft, then sign someone NEXT offseason and be set for years.
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- Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 3:09pm #865704
YouthinkyouknowParticipantPeople seem to really hate jennings in this site. I think he is progressing well and is top 5 in assist it’s going to take time for this team to gel people have no patience. Yes they have a few holes but know body has even given it a chance to work. Monroe will not be inDET next year and they knew this which is probably why they signed smith as insurance. People need to relax
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:00pm #865606
akaftanParticipantI’m not sure if a four-year, 54 million dollar contract is insurance. From about 2003-2009, I used to think highly of Dumars–that he was either the best GM in the league, or close to it. He’s really proven me wrong.
As for DaTome…. Generally, Euroleague veterans, even future stars like Ginobili, take about a yeat to adjust to the NBA. It’s still too early to determine how good of a signing he was.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:00pm #865710
akaftanParticipantI’m not sure if a four-year, 54 million dollar contract is insurance. From about 2003-2009, I used to think highly of Dumars–that he was either the best GM in the league, or close to it. He’s really proven me wrong.
As for DaTome…. Generally, Euroleague veterans, even future stars like Ginobili, take about a yeat to adjust to the NBA. It’s still too early to determine how good of a signing he was.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:10pm #865613
joecheck88ParticipantTerrence Jones is playing better than Josh Smith and may even be the better floor spacer. Jones is an adequate shot blocker. Smith is an upgrade talent wise but I’m not sure Houston would be better with him. Houston needs and upgrade at the back up wing positions .
To me Josh Smith in a Knicks uniform makes sense. Think they need more athletes. Not sure what you could pull off. If I were Detroit I would take Amare for Smith straight up. Let am are come off the bench. That won’t happen on the nba though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 4:10pm #865718
joecheck88ParticipantTerrence Jones is playing better than Josh Smith and may even be the better floor spacer. Jones is an adequate shot blocker. Smith is an upgrade talent wise but I’m not sure Houston would be better with him. Houston needs and upgrade at the back up wing positions .
To me Josh Smith in a Knicks uniform makes sense. Think they need more athletes. Not sure what you could pull off. If I were Detroit I would take Amare for Smith straight up. Let am are come off the bench. That won’t happen on the nba though.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 5:58pm #865636
thparadoxParticipantJosh Smith is great. He was already underrated on the Hawks, and now he’s on the worst possibe team:
1) He is a great ball handler and passer. But Jennings, Monroe, and the backup guards are ball dominant.
2) They don’t have catch and shoot players who open up the court. That would allow josh more room to create, and also give him targets to pass to.
3) He’s a great rebounder and shot blocker, but Monroe and Drummond are already playing the interior
4) He’s a good post player, but again, the interior is clogged.
5) Without spot up shooters, he’s getting the ball in wide open positions on the perimeter, so he’s taking those shots. They are obviously low percentage for him.
Put him at PF on a team with shooters and he would be incredible. I think a team like the Nuggets, Lakers, Mavs, Rockets (esp for defense), Wizards, Nets, should be trying to acquire him while his draft stock is low.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 01/27/2014 - 5:58pm #865740
thparadoxParticipantJosh Smith is great. He was already underrated on the Hawks, and now he’s on the worst possibe team:
1) He is a great ball handler and passer. But Jennings, Monroe, and the backup guards are ball dominant.
2) They don’t have catch and shoot players who open up the court. That would allow josh more room to create, and also give him targets to pass to.
3) He’s a great rebounder and shot blocker, but Monroe and Drummond are already playing the interior
4) He’s a good post player, but again, the interior is clogged.
5) Without spot up shooters, he’s getting the ball in wide open positions on the perimeter, so he’s taking those shots. They are obviously low percentage for him.
Put him at PF on a team with shooters and he would be incredible. I think a team like the Nuggets, Lakers, Mavs, Rockets (esp for defense), Wizards, Nets, should be trying to acquire him while his draft stock is low.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2014 - 8:56pm #868114
r377ParticipantAnother great day for Josh Smith going 5-20 from the field with 6 turnovers…..
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2014 - 8:56pm #868217
r377ParticipantAnother great day for Josh Smith going 5-20 from the field with 6 turnovers…..
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2014 - 10:29pm #868145
imAboutDatActionParticipantSmith is playing out of position. he’s horrible at SF. he’s on pace to have the worst 3 point % in a season of all time. Jennings is a high volume low efficent scorer.he’s shooting 37% LOL. his stat line may look nice but he plays bad defense,doesnt always make the best decisions and shoots waaay too much.
Smith contract makes him unmoveable.Pistons are stuck with him. Dumars has to get rid of Monroe to put Smith back at PF.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 02/03/2014 - 10:29pm #868250
imAboutDatActionParticipantSmith is playing out of position. he’s horrible at SF. he’s on pace to have the worst 3 point % in a season of all time. Jennings is a high volume low efficent scorer.he’s shooting 37% LOL. his stat line may look nice but he plays bad defense,doesnt always make the best decisions and shoots waaay too much.
Smith contract makes him unmoveable.Pistons are stuck with him. Dumars has to get rid of Monroe to put Smith back at PF.
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