The Cavs Could be SOOOO Good but blew it!

While your resoning makes sense you have to take account based on who they pick Their draft pick would change. They may not have had the first pick if they go Barnes for instance.

While your resoning makes sense you have to take account based on who they pick Their draft pick would change. They may not have had the first pick if they go Barnes for instance.

I think there could have been better picks made but overall they did at least a B+ in drafting. Several reasons besides gut feel and analytics went into why the guys you wanted drafted didn’t get picked.

The Thompson pick was a tough one because Jo Val who had been mocked to the Cavs for like 10 months and the front office saw play at least 20 times was represented by Leon Rose, Lebron’s former agent. He wouldn’t give the Cavs any info on what year Jo Val was coming over and wouldn’t even answer their calls on draft night. If guys as clearly skilled as McLemore fall on draft night do to hangers on and shaky representatives then why would a team pick a guy repped by the Decision agent who left them hanging and had continually disrespected them before the draft. A team that needs everything and has the 1 and 4 pick in the draft and could have had locked up ten year bookends. Grant wanted Jo Val and Scott wanted Klay Thompson the son of former Laker teammate Mychal Thompson. Scott was his god father and brought on his older brother Mychal Thompson to the Cavs as a undrafted free agent. Tristan Thompson was both of their second choices and the numbers backed it up including a legendary workout in which he out worked everybody there.

Brad Beal out muscled, out hustled and out shot H Barnes in a workout before the draft in a combined Cavs workout and Barnes admitted he had a bad workout. A 6’5ish 2 guard out everythinged a 6’8 SF who is known for his shooting. Byron Scott said before the draft he didn’t trust Barnes and he was referring to his ability to compete and passion. Scott and Grant wanted Waiters but MKG was the top choice (the brow was not an option) followed by Beal then Waiters and Drummond. Scott’s statement was a bold and before the playoffs Barnes did have really low offensive numbers and a large degree of passivity. They wanted MKG because of his heart and settled to some extend on Waiters because he is fearless. Barnes has changed a lot of minds and I’m sure they are thinking twice about the picks just like you are. Remember a week before the draft Dan Gilbert followed Oladipo on Twitter the only non Cav he follows and only rookie candidate for sure. He likes passion and that is well known and if the owner and not the GM was picking he would have selected Dipo.

I would prefer KI, KT, , Bennett, Drummond if I were well-wishing. Shooting everywhere except the great energy big and they could play like the Rockets, nothing but drive and finish or kick. Kawhi Leonard could be considered at 4 in the Irving draft also since I would rather have him than Barnes. Not that he is light years better at all but because he seems like a guy who basketball is the most important thing in his life. Leonard, Vucevic and Klay Thompson has done more in the league than Jo Val or Tristan Thompson and are in place so far for second best guy in that draft class.

I think there could have been better picks made but overall they did at least a B+ in drafting. Several reasons besides gut feel and analytics went into why the guys you wanted drafted didn’t get picked.

The Thompson pick was a tough one because Jo Val who had been mocked to the Cavs for like 10 months and the front office saw play at least 20 times was represented by Leon Rose, Lebron’s former agent. He wouldn’t give the Cavs any info on what year Jo Val was coming over and wouldn’t even answer their calls on draft night. If guys as clearly skilled as McLemore fall on draft night do to hangers on and shaky representatives then why would a team pick a guy repped by the Decision agent who left them hanging and had continually disrespected them before the draft. A team that needs everything and has the 1 and 4 pick in the draft and could have had locked up ten year bookends. Grant wanted Jo Val and Scott wanted Klay Thompson the son of former Laker teammate Mychal Thompson. Scott was his god father and brought on his older brother Mychal Thompson to the Cavs as a undrafted free agent. Tristan Thompson was both of their second choices and the numbers backed it up including a legendary workout in which he out worked everybody there.

Brad Beal out muscled, out hustled and out shot H Barnes in a workout before the draft in a combined Cavs workout and Barnes admitted he had a bad workout. A 6’5ish 2 guard out everythinged a 6’8 SF who is known for his shooting. Byron Scott said before the draft he didn’t trust Barnes and he was referring to his ability to compete and passion. Scott and Grant wanted Waiters but MKG was the top choice (the brow was not an option) followed by Beal then Waiters and Drummond. Scott’s statement was a bold and before the playoffs Barnes did have really low offensive numbers and a large degree of passivity. They wanted MKG because of his heart and settled to some extend on Waiters because he is fearless. Barnes has changed a lot of minds and I’m sure they are thinking twice about the picks just like you are. Remember a week before the draft Dan Gilbert followed Oladipo on Twitter the only non Cav he follows and only rookie candidate for sure. He likes passion and that is well known and if the owner and not the GM was picking he would have selected Dipo.

I would prefer KI, KT, , Bennett, Drummond if I were well-wishing. Shooting everywhere except the great energy big and they could play like the Rockets, nothing but drive and finish or kick. Kawhi Leonard could be considered at 4 in the Irving draft also since I would rather have him than Barnes. Not that he is light years better at all but because he seems like a guy who basketball is the most important thing in his life. Leonard, Vucevic and Klay Thompson has done more in the league than Jo Val or Tristan Thompson and are in place so far for second best guy in that draft class.

You can do this for like 80% of teams in the league. I’ll do the twolves for instance:
2009 Draft – Take Curry with the 5th and Derozan with the 6th instead of Rubio and Flynn
2010 Draft – Take Paul George instead of Wes Johnson
2011 Draft – Take Valanciunas instead of Derrick Williams

Bam

Pg – Curry
Sg – Derozan
Sf – George
Pf – Love
C – Valanciunas

You can do this for like 80% of teams in the league. I’ll do the twolves for instance:
2009 Draft – Take Curry with the 5th and Derozan with the 6th instead of Rubio and Flynn
2010 Draft – Take Paul George instead of Wes Johnson
2011 Draft – Take Valanciunas instead of Derrick Williams

Bam

Pg – Curry
Sg – Derozan
Sf – George
Pf – Love
C – Valanciunas

In 28.8 mpg, Dion Waiters averaged 14.7 ppg on 41.2% shooting with 3 apg, 2.4 rpg, and 2 TO per game as a rookie.

In 25.4 mpg, Harrison Barnes averaged 9.2 ppg on 43.9% shooting with 1.2 apg, 4.1 rpg, and 1.2 TO per game as a rookie.

Especially when you take into account the fact that Waiters got to the FT line more, made more threes, and plays at a weaker position, I would say Waiters had a more impressive rookie season. Barnes also benefitted from playing for a team where the defensive attention was all focused on the backcourt.

To call Barnes a home run pick is premature. Waiters is a later blooming prospect than Barnes and is not necessarily a low upside pick. If he had started and gotten more minutes in college, I think he may be more hyped.

I do agree that the Thompson pick wasn’t great and I didn’t like it at the time, but he hasn’t exactly been a bust. He is still a young player who is developing and looks the part of a solid NBA role player.

The Cavs have a very promising set of scorers and could become a dangerous offensive team through internal improvement.

In 28.8 mpg, Dion Waiters averaged 14.7 ppg on 41.2% shooting with 3 apg, 2.4 rpg, and 2 TO per game as a rookie.

In 25.4 mpg, Harrison Barnes averaged 9.2 ppg on 43.9% shooting with 1.2 apg, 4.1 rpg, and 1.2 TO per game as a rookie.

Especially when you take into account the fact that Waiters got to the FT line more, made more threes, and plays at a weaker position, I would say Waiters had a more impressive rookie season. Barnes also benefitted from playing for a team where the defensive attention was all focused on the backcourt.

To call Barnes a home run pick is premature. Waiters is a later blooming prospect than Barnes and is not necessarily a low upside pick. If he had started and gotten more minutes in college, I think he may be more hyped.

I do agree that the Thompson pick wasn’t great and I didn’t like it at the time, but he hasn’t exactly been a bust. He is still a young player who is developing and looks the part of a solid NBA role player.

The Cavs have a very promising set of scorers and could become a dangerous offensive team through internal improvement.

Although I do like the Bennet pick. The Cavs team could be so much better. They drafted wrong when they picked Thompson and Waiters. Harrison Barnes was a much better pick than Waiters at the time. Although Waiters had stronger numbers in his rookie year Barnes had the better Rookie year especially after you seen the type of contributions he made during the playoffs. Thompson isn’t going to be an All-star caliber player and with the 4th pick in the draft I think you should get an all-star caliber player. Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard were much better options at No.4. They are both better than Thompson and Waiters at this moment. There has to be something said about the fact that Waiters didn’t start for Syracuse. We seen this before with Marvin Williams and UNC. There’s a reason why these guys are coming off the bench in College.

Although I do like the Bennet pick. The Cavs team could be so much better. They drafted wrong when they picked Thompson and Waiters. Harrison Barnes was a much better pick than Waiters at the time. Although Waiters had stronger numbers in his rookie year Barnes had the better Rookie year especially after you seen the type of contributions he made during the playoffs. Thompson isn’t going to be an All-star caliber player and with the 4th pick in the draft I think you should get an all-star caliber player. Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard were much better options at No.4. They are both better than Thompson and Waiters at this moment. There has to be something said about the fact that Waiters didn’t start for Syracuse. We seen this before with Marvin Williams and UNC. There’s a reason why these guys are coming off the bench in College.

All these points are nonsensical. It’s all pretty much a guessing game. Especially when you’re talking about the teams(like the Cavs) who are in the top of the lottery every year. Most of the time, most teams have similar mock boards. Meaning, most of the teams picking in the top 10 this year probably had Dipo, McLemore, Len, Noel, etc… high on their draft boards. It’s just a matter of picking the guy you think is the best or fits the best for you’re team. It’s all shoulda, woulda, coulda. Like Costy15 said, you could go back and redo most teams drafts and have them end up with awesome lineups. Every year there are sleepers or guys who have injury concerns or character concerns that they end up getting straightened out and become great players unexpectedly. And let’s face it, sometimes these highly paid scouts and gm’s aren’t as good as they should be either. All us on this site know about a ton of good prospects and underrated players too. even we can pick guys that don’t get drafted high that we think will be good someday and are right sometime. We have YouTube. It just all depends on who puts the work in when they get to the league.

All these points are nonsensical. It’s all pretty much a guessing game. Especially when you’re talking about the teams(like the Cavs) who are in the top of the lottery every year. Most of the time, most teams have similar mock boards. Meaning, most of the teams picking in the top 10 this year probably had Dipo, McLemore, Len, Noel, etc… high on their draft boards. It’s just a matter of picking the guy you think is the best or fits the best for you’re team. It’s all shoulda, woulda, coulda. Like Costy15 said, you could go back and redo most teams drafts and have them end up with awesome lineups. Every year there are sleepers or guys who have injury concerns or character concerns that they end up getting straightened out and become great players unexpectedly. And let’s face it, sometimes these highly paid scouts and gm’s aren’t as good as they should be either. All us on this site know about a ton of good prospects and underrated players too. even we can pick guys that don’t get drafted high that we think will be good someday and are right sometime. We have YouTube. It just all depends on who puts the work in when they get to the league.

Why I agree this is just a hindsight exercise, the Cavs did go against the grain in making those selections. That’s what makes it different for them than some other teams. Most regular fans to experts with inside information had the selections they made going later in the draft. Harrison Barnes made sense at the time and is a friend of Kyrie Irving, I remember him referring to him as his little brother at the Nike Hoop Summit a few years ago or they tried to trade up to 1 to take Anthony Davis offering their whole draft (4, 24, 33,34) then trying to get to 2 (4 and 24) to take MKG (former HS teammate of Irving). So even there selections were up in the air until they made them just like the Bennett selection. It’s not a coulda, woulda, shoulda scenario.

Why I agree this is just a hindsight exercise, the Cavs did go against the grain in making those selections. That’s what makes it different for them than some other teams. Most regular fans to experts with inside information had the selections they made going later in the draft. Harrison Barnes made sense at the time and is a friend of Kyrie Irving, I remember him referring to him as his little brother at the Nike Hoop Summit a few years ago or they tried to trade up to 1 to take Anthony Davis offering their whole draft (4, 24, 33,34) then trying to get to 2 (4 and 24) to take MKG (former HS teammate of Irving). So even there selections were up in the air until they made them just like the Bennett selection. It’s not a coulda, woulda, shoulda scenario.

but if any of the teams nails one of their earlier picks, odds are they are picking higher the next year and don’t have the opportunity to get any of those other subsequent players.

but if any of the teams nails one of their earlier picks, odds are they are picking higher the next year and don’t have the opportunity to get any of those other subsequent players.

Draft hindsight is always 20/20, unfortunately.

Draft hindsight is always 20/20, unfortunately.