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- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 9:39am #48146

TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantIf the Cav’s secure the top pick and Nerlen’s Noel or McLemore is the target would you,
Pick Noel
Pick Benny Mac
Pick Porter- monkey wrench
I would offer the pick to OKC for Serge, 12 million (Serge) vs 4 million (Noel). I would also inquire about McGee, Jo Val, Cousins, Drummond, Larry Sanders and Marc Gasol. Each one of those guys has different ranking and some the Cav’s would have to sweeten the pot and some the other teams would. Nevertheless I would explore, because as long as Dion (who isn’t totally clueless on D) and Kyrie (who is most of the time is) are playing +32 minutes a game, there will be guys getting in the paint and a lot of breakdowns. Unless Chicago pays idiot and let’s Thibs on the open market. They are only 6’2 and 6’3 besides that.
OKC would then have the 1rst and another top 10 pick, albeit in a bad draft. They might also want to switch are 15th Lakers pick with their late 1rst also, I would oblige. OKC 3 top 15 picks, Cleveland Serge plus like the 27th pick. I think its a fair deal or slightly advantageous for Cleveland. They could take Zeller and rights to Wayne Ellington, who could be a stop gap for Lamb as a 3 million dollar version of Kevin Martin, a poor mans version of course. This way OKC can also have enough cap space to do a lot of different things, including signing, amnesty guys etc. Serge and Tristan Thompson would make a nice combo, TT is developing a nice low post game with little flip/hook/push shots. Serge has a outside and dump off dunk game already.
The more I think about if Andy is healthy f- it they can have him to but I want our 15 pick back.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 9:41am #763450

TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantAlso I meant to say if Chicago plays idiot and somehow lets Thibs walk then i would give him 7 million a year. Kyrie and Dion are instant offense and they need D, so does TT.
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 10:19am #763456

MikezParticipantThey need the D or they need to give more D?
I would be disappointed if the cavs didn’t walk away from this draft with either Shabazz, Noel or Porter and trade the Lakers pick for a top 12ish and Draft a SF/C opposite of the first pick.
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- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 11:11am #763475
eos11ParticipantOKC chose Serge over Harden when the season begun, I can’t see them trade him after the season he made, for a guy, Noel, that will come off injury and is not the offensive player that Ibaka already became.
I just don’t understand why OKC would do that. If it’s because of the cap room, justhave to amnesty perkins, don’t re-sign K.Martin and that’s it
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 11:43am #763485
GREENE1148ParticipantOKC will be under the cap without amnestying Perk…
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 11:54am #763490
GREENE1148ParticipantYou also said it will give them cap room to be able to amnesty guys? Why would you need to have cap room to amnesty guys? I think you have missed the point…
At this point Serge Ibaka is untouchable… Unless you can find another proven big man, aged 23 or under, that plays both ends of the floor to an extremely high level and is locked up for the next 4 seasons (under $50m)
…I’m really not sure what made you think that he would be, the fact that OKC have 3 picks out of the first 31 in this years draft? This is a team in a win now mode, and Serge is the key to them winning championships from this point forward…
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 12:03pm #763494

TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantNo they would be so far under the cap they could pick up amnesty guys, potentially Bargs, Boozer, Stoudamire, Pau Gasol, Bogut, Caron Butler, Salmons, Okafor maybe even Kobe. I’m not saying those guys are getting amnestied but amnesty guys are really cheap and you have to be under the cap to bid on them.
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 2:37pm #763554
GREENE1148ParticipantAll these guys are ‘potential’ candidates for amnesty, Boozer/Pau are the only ones there that actually bring anything the Thunder could use, but at the same time, I seriously doubt either one is going to be amnestied…
Bargnani is a 3 point shooting PF/C that doesn’t rebound or defend (not a player worthy of playing on a championship team)
Stoudemire is regarded as one of the worst defenders in the league, his rebounding has gotten progressively worse since his microfracture surgery…
Bogut is a guy i love, being a fellow Aussie, but seeing as though GSW traded for him knowing he would be an injury concern, i can’t see them paying him to play against them, when they would have no better solution at C to spend the saved $$ on in free agency anyway
Caron Butler, decent skillset, but i can’t help but think he is a replacement level player at best…even with a Chris Paul extension the Clippers fit under the cap, they are a big market, other available SFs include Matt Barnes, Chase Budinger and Dorell Wright? Doubt he is amnestied…
Salmons – OKC would be better served with making DeAndre Liggins a rotation player
Okafor – The thought of a potential Okafor/Perkins frontcourt makes me physically ill…
Now i think your argument that a GM would trade away a top PF in this league, for the ability to sign players that may or may not be amnestied is utter rubbish…
Maybe if OKC was over a barrel here, and Serge wanted out, or they HAD to clear contracts to save money, you would have a shot, but that’s not the case unfortunately…
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- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 11:58am #763493

TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipantI would still call and see. Its Noel, shot blocking big, could play next to Durant if you play him more at the four, and Zeller, a guy, Ellington, 3 and D, the 15th pick and even Anderson Varejao. So its Noel, Zeller, 15th pick, Wayne Ellington and Sac’s future 1 for Serge. I agree that’s still a steal for the Cav’s but Presti would answer the phone. It might be a short conversation but he’d pick up, especially if the Thunder gets slaughtered in the finals or don’t make it. We could package Cle’s 2 top five second rounders to also maybe move up to 12 or 11 in the first round. Westbrooks and Durants deal will rise every year especially if Russ makes NBA first team this year, he will get larger yearly increases. I would make the same offer for Marc Gasol by the way, and Memphis is extremely cost conscious.
Thunder could draft Noel, Victor Oladipo and Giannis Adetokoubo, plus add Tyler Zeller(4th big) and add Anderson Varejao, plus either a Sac late lottery or Memphis future lottery pick. Still might not get it done, but it shouldn’t warrant a neg fest.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 12:16pm #763495

HitsterParticipantThe Cavs will probably look to consolidate their late first rounder with their two early 2nd rounders like they did last year unless they take some stashers or look to move further up the draft by packaging some of them with their main pick.
Despite Irving averaging over 22ppg and becoming an all star, Waiters having a good debut season and Thompson becoming a double double guy, the Cavs are only 4 wins off the worse NBA record and only 5 wins on from where they were 2 years ago. The injury to Varejao and without Jamison’s scoring this year may have set them back this year but results do need to improve.
Looking at the team stats this year – 19th out of 30 in ppg, 22nd in rebounds, 26th in assists and 25th in points allowed shows that there is a need for improvement on both defence and offence.
As regards the draft, if they can get McLemore for which I’d guess they would need to be in the top 2 in the lottery they should take him. There are 96 backcourt minutes and he can play with Waiters around Irving plus his off the ball movement helps spread the play.
Noel would be seriously looked out and they could then see what they could get for Varejao perhaps.
Ideally if they draft from their current position, Otto Porter seems a perfect fit, he’d perhaps be the glue guy and the missing part in the current roster, his wingspan would give perimeter defence and he’d fill the big SF need.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 2:58pm #763566

nick5354ParticipantI agree with the above. Cavs have two first rounders, and two earlysecond rounders, so they will be looking to package the picks, as they did last year. Grant has said that he doesn;t intend to come out of the draft with 4 or 3 rookies. Does anyone know what the go with the Cavs maimi pick? Are they able or going to swap it for the Lakers pick?
This should be the final year of the OKC style rebuild. Irving, Waiters , TT.
I think Cavs are going to hold onto Wildthing, if they didn’t trade him when his stock was at its peak no way they are going to deal him now.
I woud like Cavs to trade down and grab GR3, I ama big fan, and one of the only prospects I can get excited about. With them looking to trade down they should look to aquire a already made player, either at the Centre or SG spot.
I am not sold on T. Zeller. Watching hi all year I just think he doesn;t have the will to be a sarter in the league and is way to soft to be a starter on a good team, so i think he is just a bench player. Due to this i wouldn;t mind if Cavs went Noel here. They need defense but let’s not forget where theyneed it is at the PG spot. Gee has to guard Irvings man because he sucks so much at D. and always get lite up. One player i hope they aviod is Cody Zeller.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 3:02pm #763570
imblue87ParticipantRegarding the Miami pick, Cavs can swap any of their 1st round picks for Lakers’ 1st round pick as long as Lakers are not in the lottery.
It’s obvious Cavs need more help in SF spot and C. My dream situation would be Cavs land top 2 pick and get Noel, then package the rest of their picks (16~17th pick from Lakers and two 2nd rounders) to get a late lottery pick and get GRIII or Shabazz. I highly doubt Cavs stay put with all their picks and get like 4 rooks, so it’ll be interesting to see what Cavs front office does in June.
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/16/2013 - 7:34pm #763693

nick5354ParticipantIF Cavs walk out the draft with Noel and GR3 I will run around naked in joy hahahaha
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- Posted on: Wed, 04/17/2013 - 3:49am #763759

HitsterParticipantThe way I would view Chris Grant’s draft mentality would be that the Cavs would only look to move up, so if the lottery went against them they may reach for someone or look to get back inside the top 3. I don’t personally see them trading down to take on additional picks although it goes against the old Red Auerbach manta ” You can never have too many draft picks”.
If they did chase say GR3 then I feel it would be alongside Poter, Noel, Mclemore etc but they would really need the Lakers pick to get him as 30th pick and two early 2nd rounders don’t translate into the 10 to 14 range where most mocks see GR3’s draft stock. If he fell on draft night then that combo could maybe used to trade up and get him. But I feel that Cleveland might have to part with an asset from the roster or more likely the 2015 draft pick due from Miami and/or the one due from Memphis.
I’d guess that Chris Grant would want to keep hold of the Kings pick due as that could translate into a nice late lottery/mid first rounder in the next few years.
If Chris Grant did decide to throw a curveball and maybe trade down this year the the old Auerbach mantra could come into play next year if he decided to see if he could accumulate as many 2014 draft options as possible to give him major flexability in the potential loaded draft then.
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