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  • #48036
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    princejames
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    Yes Archie Goodwin is a poor decision maker who at times plays very out of control

    But when he develops into a more efficient decision maker and learns how to play with a good sence of control and balance. I think he will easily develop into a talented and athletic ball-handler, slasher, scorer, finisher, and shot creator. That is very similar to a young and very athletic larry hughes or maybe even similar to tyreke evans. Archie’s just possesses the dynamic ability to make difficult shots against tough defense

    Archie is already a much better creator of offence for himself compared to Ben McLemore who really struggles to create offense for himself with-in isolation situations

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVgGZWrc4y0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S67hDyVzqck
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7phARMkGk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqYk989ZpCU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rrLPUBoTgA

    Archie Goodwin Player Comparison: A young and very athletic Larry Hughes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZTBzLwosjA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwAB7qDFC5o
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkpabp_2001-nba-action-larry-hughes_animals?search_algo=2#.UWibnRzD_mQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X_ZnBy1u24
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyf_AV_J5k

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  • #762421
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    People are sleeping on Archie Goodwin, he has one of the most complete skillsets of anybody in this draft. He’s young and out of control but that will change as he ages/matures.

    He can easily be an 18/5a/4r kind of guy in the future.

    I’ll hop on this bandwagon and say, unless McLemore lands on the Wolves (w/Ricky Rubio) or the Cavs (w/Kyrie Irving), Archie Goodwin will be a better pro in 5 years.

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  • #762427
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    GlenTaylorSucks
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    Archie really, really needs a coach who can teach him the fundamentals, and be supportive of him while he’s developing. I think where he lands is gonna be crucial to his development. Presuming he’s gonna be a mid to late first rounder, he’s not gonna be playing much in his first two years. He needs to be know that he’s not “the man,” and he needs to be patient and wait for his turn to play. If he comes in thinking he’s hot s**t and thinking he’s gonna get a lot of PT right away, he’s got bust written all over him; he’ll end up bouncing from team to team.

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  • #762428
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    fcb206
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    Goodwin is still a gamble. Kids like that don’t always figure it out, and if they cant, they end up being permanent liabilities no matter how athletic and skilled they are. The NBA aint a video game.

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  • #762431
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    mrhancoc
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    I see yor bold prediction and say Seth Curry will be better than them both! Now thats a bold prediction! Only time will tell

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  • #762439
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    FastAndFurious
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    Nah, this is not really a bold statement at all, I said Archie Goodwin had more talent than both Shabazz and Ben, he’s just too out of control right now, but the thing is Archie is younger than both of them, it’s not going to surprise me at all if Archie ends up the best 2 guard in this class when it’s all said and done.

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  • #762444
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    Lafferty Daniel
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    Does anyone else think he’d be a good fit for Utah?

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    • #762485
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      fcb206
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      He’s got a cracker name and a rucker park game, Jazz fans would be completely confused. I’m into it.

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      • #762534
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        GoJOSH HUESTIS
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        Horrible pick for the jazz. Burke is already similar plus he jazz really really really need a pg not another athletic shooting guard

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  • #762473
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    Ghost01
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    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say this is entirely wrong.

    McLemore showed a lot of legitimate NBA skills. And what people underrate, in my opinion, is his ability to play off the ball. There are too many ball dominant guards in this league right now that can’t consistently knock down 3s. He has the athletic ability, and really the full package.

    Goodwin was an inconsistent mess on an NIT team. I like his athleticism, but he really doesn’t have a position, and if he is playing off the ball, what is he going to do for you? His playmaking is far from good enough to make him an NBA 1 though.

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  • #762527
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    omphalos
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    I’m going to go out even further on a limb and say Ricky Ledo will be better than any of them.

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  • #762540
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    DolanCare
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    I dont like the prediction. My main problem with Goodwin is that he has serious trouble playing defensive. He can’t guard quick guards, they blow by him. Did anyone see the Georgia game that UK lost? KCP was smoking Goodwin on every play.

    Goodwin is a great slasher, but I dont know if an NBA coach will put a player out there who hurts ball movement and defensive like he does. His only shot is if he becomes more of a playmaker or shooter. Ben Mclemore’s floor is already so much higher just because of his shooting.

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  • #762544
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    DolanCare
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    My bold prediction: KCP will be the best shooting guard of this class behind McLemore. KCP can shoot despite being an athletic specimen. KCP over Goodwin by a long shot.

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  • #762547
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    omphalos
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    I really like KCP too actually, dude has a lot of upside, it’s a shame he didn’t get a run in the tournament. The SG class from this year is wide open, I just hope the Bulls can snag one of these guys with high upside and athleticism to play alongside Rose.

    Ledo, KCP, Goodwin – one of these guys should be around for the Bulls to pick up in this draft.

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  • #762548
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    For_Never_Ever
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    I’ve actually always been very high on him. I don’t like repeating myself, but he is physically the closes person I have ever seen to D-Wade. Yes, I know D-wade gets compared to every combo guard. Archie Goodwin is all sg though, with great physicals for the position at 6’5 and a 6’10 wingspan is more than ideal. I like his aggressive nature, his handles are good for his age and will get better, stroke isn’t bad will also get better. Archie Goodwin and CJ McCollum are the two prospects I believe have the most all star potential. Cj Mccollum is a mix between Lillard and Curry players that people weren’t sure could play pg full time, and thought to be just under sized sg’s.

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  • #762552
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    lalaila
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    I agree.. and I would actually say it’s not that of the bold prediction at all..

    I mean Ben shoots the light out (if we forget the tournament) and people are saying who need a guard who can’t shoot like Archie..
    but wasn’t the same said about Wall, Westbrook , Rose..even Wade back in the day(i’m not comparing them, only shooting aspect)

    than you have two 6’5s around 200lbs lean but muscular, though Archie is waaaaay more agressive and being 1 and a half year younger should make him much bigger if he works on it, also if Ben isn’t an undersized 2, how in the world people call Archie the one despite having almost identical measurements plus a HUGE 6’10..and once again, he is one of the yougest(might be THE youngest if greek-african wouldn’t declare) prospect in this draft, he may even grow..

    than you have a potentially really good defender with than athleticism and agressiveness who might help to become a good rebounder from a guard position..

    and also kinda like Westbrook even though he tends to be a little out of control of maybe even selfish at times, he still have nice playmaking ability at least much better than Ben or Shabazz both together..

    being a wild card prospect, and with some red flags you can’t draft him top10 because we might forget about him in a few years if nothing goes right for him, but at the same time he has some STAR qualities..

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  • #762601
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    JoeWolf1

    Archie is a guy I was really high on early in the year, but the more I saw of him, the more I realized how low his bball IQ really is. I wonder is Archie will even be a first rounder and without that guaranteed contract, he most likely wont have that 3 or 4 year contract to develop. As far as SG predictions go, I think Will Clyburn will end up one of the top 20 or 25 best players in this draft.

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  • #762620
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    XYRYX
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    I have not seen both of them play very much and don’t know who might end up better but what I read here tells me that Goodwin has a similar skillset as Westbrook when they both came out of college. Out of control sometimes, always full speed and great at attacking the rim.

    Am I wrong here or are they similar prospects coming into the league?

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