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  • #4643
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    sheltwon3
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    This is my point guard ranking system with trade value in mind. Some of the young quality players I have ahead of the older player that may be playing better now but on on the down side of their careers. I will continue to edit this but I did it fast so please let’s not argue about those things. My thing is with the NBA losing money and also with no expansion in sight, their is a lot of saturation of players. There are actual enough talent for at least half of the NBA to have powerhouse teams but you have stupid GM and coaches plus players chasing money that is soon not going to be there. New York Knick is not paying big dollar for nobodies anymore lol. I did not include all of the combo guards and some guards that will probably not be in the NBA next year because they were fringe and are free agents. So far I have 52 players and I am just making an assumption that most teams like 3 point guards on their roster so the max would be 90 point guards in the league. I may go back and add combo guards for this reason. Well here it goes and I know that Chris Paul is better than Rose but right now Paul could possibly want a trade out and Rose will never get trade by the Bulls.

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  • #159141
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    sheltwon3
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    Point Guard Ranking System (trade value)
    1. Derick Rose
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Ranjon Rondo
    4. Steve Nash
    5. Gilbert Arenas
    6. Ramon Sessions
    7. Jameer Nelson
    8. Russell Westbrook
    9. Tony Parker
    10. Mike Bibby
    11. Devin Harris
    12. Raymond Felton
    13. Andre Miller
    14. Mike Conley
    15. Chauncey Billups
    16. Baron Davis
    17. Mo Williams
    18. Kirk Hinrich
    19. Jason Kidd
    20. DJ Augustine
    21. TJ Ford
    22. Jarrett Jack
    23. Aaron Brooks
    24. Rodney Stuckney
    25. Mario Chalmers
    26. Kyle Lowry
    27. Kenyon Dooling
    28. Steve Blake
    29. Luke Ridnour
    30. Nate Robinson
    31. Lou Williams
    32. Rafer Alston
    33. CJ Watson
    34. Will Bynum
    35. Benu Udrich
    36. Javaris Crittenton
    37. Mike James
    38. George Hill
    39. Sebastian Telfair
    40. Earl Watson
    41. Mike Taylor
    42. Chris Duhon
    43. Jose Juan Barea
    44. Jordan Farmar
    45. Anthony Johnson
    46. Royal Ivey
    47. Antonio Daniels
    48. Anthony Carter
    49. Chucky Atkins
    50. Stephon Marbury
    51. Jamal Tinsley
    52. Derek Fisher

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  • #159142
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    sheltwon3
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    There are set to be over 12 or so point guards drafted in the next draft and there are a least 6 good points and maybe 4 or 5 quality players. I will add the players most likely to retire in a few seasons and also adjust my list to not include them just to see how it would stand. I will also maybe add some of the rookies and ask people to tell me base on potential where they would rank.

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  • #159144
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    j1232e
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    williams is not in your top 50. I see him as 1 or 2.

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  • #159147
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    sheltwon3
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    my bad
    i forgot him lol
    time for a update
    he would be under Chris Paul

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  • #159148
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    knicksfreak
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    Parker, Harris and Billups are too low. And wheres Deron?

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  • #159149
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    sheltwon3
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    Point Guard Ranking System (trade value)
    1. Derick Rose
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Deron Williams
    4. Ranjon Rondo
    5. Steve Nash
    6. Gilbert Arenas
    7. Ramon Sessions
    8. Jameer Nelson
    9. Russell Westbrook
    10. Tony Parker
    11. Mike Bibby
    12. Devin Harris
    13. Raymond Felton
    14. Andre Miller
    15. Mike Conley
    16. Chauncey Billups
    17. Baron Davis
    18. Mo Williams
    19. Kirk Hinrich
    20. Jason Kidd
    21. DJ Augustine
    22. TJ Ford
    23. Jarrett Jack
    24. Aaron Brooks
    25. Rodney Stuckney
    26. Mario Chalmers
    27. Kyle Lowry
    28. Kenyon Dooling
    29. Steve Blake
    30. Luke Ridnour
    31. Nate Robinson
    32. Lou Williams
    33. Rafer Alston
    34. CJ Watson
    35. Will Bynum
    36. Benu Udrich
    37. Javaris Crittenton
    38. Mike James
    39. George Hill
    40. Sebastian Telfair
    41. Earl Watson
    42. Mike Taylor
    43. Chris Duhon
    44. Jose Juan Barea
    45. Jordan Farmar
    46. Anthony Johnson
    47. Royal Ivey
    48. Antonio Daniels
    49. Anthony Carter
    50. Chucky Atkins
    51. Stephon Marbury
    52. Jamal Tinsley
    53. Derek Fisher

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  • #159150
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    j1232e
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    way to high billups a top 7. sessions way to high parker way to low.

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  • #159151
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    sheltwon3
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    Parker is too low and Billups age effects his position but the main thing is where will the new point guards fit. I tried to do this list fast so a few players did not get that much attention.

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  • #159153
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    sheltwon3
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    Point Guard Ranking System (trade value)
    1. Derick Rose
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Deron Williams
    4. Tony Parker
    5. Ranjon Rondo
    6. Steve Nash
    7. Gilbert Arenas
    8. Ramon Sessions
    9. Devin Harris
    10. Jameer Nelson
    11. Russell Westbrook
    12. Chauncey Billups
    13. Mike Bibby
    14. Raymond Felton
    15. Andre Miller
    16. Mike Conley
    17. Baron Davis
    18. Mo Williams
    19. Kirk Hinrich
    20. Jason Kidd
    21. DJ Augustine
    22. TJ Ford
    23. Jarrett Jack
    24. Aaron Brooks
    25. Rodney Stuckney
    26. Mario Chalmers
    27. Kyle Lowry
    28. Kenyon Dooling
    29. Steve Blake
    30. Luke Ridnour
    31. Nate Robinson
    32. Lou Williams
    33. Rafer Alston
    34. CJ Watson
    35. Will Bynum
    36. Benu Udrich
    37. Javaris Crittenton
    38. Mike James
    39. George Hill
    40. Sebastian Telfair
    41. Earl Watson
    42. Mike Taylor
    43. Chris Duhon
    44. Jose Juan Barea
    45. Jordan Farmar
    46. Anthony Johnson
    47. Royal Ivey
    48. Antonio Daniels
    49. Anthony Carter
    50. Chucky Atkins
    51. Stephon Marbury
    52. Jamal Tinsley
    53. Derek Fisher

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    • #159215
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      sayanything
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      Ramon Sessions in the top 10 is a joke, DJ Augustine below Jason Kidd whos going to retire within the next 3 years is a joke, I think a lot of people would rather have Rodney Stuckey or Aaron Brooks over Jarrett Jack, I dont know how much trade value Gilbert Arenas has with that contract, and you’re forgetting Calderon and Bayless.

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  • #159154
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    knicksfreak
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    Nash is older and not as effective in a different system.

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  • #159155
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    j1232e
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    1.williams
    2. paul
    3.Rose
    4.parker
    5.arenas
    6.nash
    7.billups
    8.harris
    9.miller
    10.kidd

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  • #159157
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    sheltwon3
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    The main thing of this topic is where will the new Point guards fit in with the current group of point guard and this is not how good a player is but their trade value base on their age, skills, and long term potential. Sessions is a young point, has great size, can shoot it, can pass it, and I think he is a pretty decent defender. His value is higher than some of the older player because of that. The older players will soon be replaced. Billups could possibly play 5 more years but his last 3 years will be more back up than starting. I did move Parker up that was just a slip up like when I left Deron Williams off.

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  • #159160
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    sheltwon3
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    Where does Stephon Curry, Brandon Jenning, Rubio, Ty Lawson, and the other point guards in this draft fit?

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  • #159161
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    sheltwon3
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    Which point guards on this list do you see not being there in the next few years to make room for the new point guards? There is only so much room for these players.

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  • #159162
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    knicksfreak
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    Rubio can maybe break in around 12 because of experience, hype and low salary. The rest of the guys cant break the top 20 until proving something.

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  • #159163
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    baller03

    Chris Paul is #1 no doubt…the BEST point guard in the NBA.

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  • #159165
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    sheltwon3
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    Nash would not dispear like Billups did in big games. He may not be a defensive player and a faster pace is helpful to his game but he is a shot maker and a playmaker and brings that every game. Nash rarely has off games. He may have some games where his number or not up there but most games he gives you at least 12 and 8 regardless if you are going fast or slow pace. His age does make me want to drop him but he is like Stockton and he does not need athletecism to be effective and he never a good defender anyway so he could play 3 or 4 more year starting if he can get a decent backup.

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  • #159169
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    sheltwon3
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    You guys are not reading, I already explained why Chris Paul is where he is at the top. This is a trade value system not actually ranking of how good a player is. I am trying to gauge where the new point guards will be go in this ranking system. I am a fan of the New Orleans Hornets and I love Chris Paul as a player but he could possibly force a trade to another team and the Hornets may accept that request which something I do not see happening with Rose and the Bulls at this moment. The Hornets Organization is stupid and even though they are my team, Chris Paul may never win a ring there because they will not give him help. That is why for trade value he is number 2. I doubt Hornets are that stupid but hey the almost traded Chandler for some cap space.

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  • #159171
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    sheltwon3
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    Thank you Knickfreak you are the one person who finally got what I was trying to do. My ranking system as it is now I know is debateable but I had to put one in place to give the effect of what I was trying to ask. Everyone has their likes and dislike of players and some players well hard to gauge that were young.

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  • #159179
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    sheltwon3
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    Possible retirees or not in the NBA in the next 3 years

    Steve Nash
    Chauncey Billups
    MIke James
    Anthony Carter
    Jason Kidd
    Andre Miller
    Baron Davis
    Rafer Alston
    Royal Ivey
    Anthony Johnson
    Antonio Daniels
    Chucky Atkins
    Stephon Marbury
    Jamal Tinsley
    Derek Fisher

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  • #159186
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    j1232e
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    subject it might take me a little while to figure in age and the youngsters, to your point value. Very intersting now that I understand your little system.

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  • #159189
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    sheltwon3
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    It was gonna take me too long to add the ages to all the players but I believe this will be a huge issue as far as this draft goes because not only are there a lot of point guards in this draft, there are a lot point guard free agents and some that are possibly getting traded like Hinrich who is a starter on most teams and is entering his prime years.

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  • #159208
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    boffacheerios
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    why is ramon sessions number 6?

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  • #159301
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    BasketballGuru24
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    You Guys Are All Forgetting Jose Calderon Of the Raptors He has the best assist to turnover ratio in the league

    1)chris Paul
    2) Deron Williams
    3) Derick rose
    4) Tony Parker
    5) Devin Hariss
    6) Jose Calderon
    7) Rajon Rondo
    8)Jameer nelson
    9) Steve Nash
    10) Chauncey Billups

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  • #159302
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    SmooveKRYPT
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    Devin Harris not in the top 10??? riiiiight…………………….

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  • #159303
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    Remarq
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    CP3 is the best PG in the league. The End. This is not even close. CP3>>>> Williams>> Rose.

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  • #159336
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    sheltwon3
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    You people are missing the point of this thread lol.

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  • #159340
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    sheltwon3
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    Point Guard Ranking System (trade value)
    1. Derick Rose
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Deron Williams
    4. Tony Parker
    5. Rajon Rondo
    6. Jose Caulderon
    7. Steve Nash
    8. Gilbert Arenas
    9. Ramon Sessions
    10. Devin Harris
    11. Jameer Nelson
    12. Russell Westbrook
    13. Chauncey Billups
    14. Mike Bibby
    15. Raymond Felton
    16. Andre Miller
    17. Mike Conley
    18. Baron Davis
    19. Mo Williams
    20. Kirk Hinrich
    21. Jason Kidd
    22. DJ Augustine
    23. TJ Ford
    24. Jarrett Jack
    25. Aaron Brooks
    26. Rodney Stuckney
    27. Mario Chalmers
    28. Kyle Lowry
    29. Kenyon Dooling
    30. Steve Blake
    31. Luke Ridnour
    32. Nate Robinson
    33. Delonte West
    34. Lou Williams
    35. Rafer Alston
    36. CJ Watson
    37. Will Bynum
    38. Sergio Rodriguez
    39. Benu Udrich
    40. Javaris Crittenton
    41. Mike James
    42. George Hill
    43. Sebastian Telfair
    44. Earl Watson
    45. Mike Taylor
    46. Chris Duhon
    47. Jose Juan Barea
    48. Jordan Farmar
    49. Anthony Johnson
    50. Royal Ivey
    51. Antonio Daniels
    52. Anthony Carter
    53. Chucky Atkins
    54. Stephon Marbury
    55. Jamal Tinsley
    56. Derek Fisher

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  • #159343
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    sheltwon3
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    I am not sure Bayless is a point guard in this league but I will add him. I was trying to stay away from adding combos. Also despite your opinions the main focus of this thread is to see where the new drafted point guards will fit in this group. There are players that can be debated all day long. I feel most of my order is on point. I was in a rush so i left off people because my focus was not all the point guards of today but of tomorrow and i wanted to hear people’s opinion on where would Jennings, Curry, Rubio, and the rest fit. Kidd even in his old age is a better point guard as far as playmaking then most of the newbie and until they show me that they have the potential to pass him, he is in front. DJ Augustine has not played enough to pass him yet but i am sure next year that will all change. I am still fine tuning my list as we speak but Sessions deserves to be where he is and I would have him higher but I has not watch enough games because of who he plays for to guage that much about him but he is young and his potential as a point guard is just up there.

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  • #159344
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    sheltwon3
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    as of right now no matter how much you like Chris Paul, Rose potential is above Paul’s and that is saying a lot. He is already on the same curves as for as success and he is has greater physical attributes. Paul is of course the better player and some is Deron Williams but if you had to trade to get one of this players and was looking long term, to me Rose would be the answer. Like i mentioned earlier my list is debatable but I am a fan o basketball and this is not something that I did not think a lot about when I made it the way I did. I did rush and left player off but the players that i put on there the ranking was correct in my mind. If you differ than hey you are entitled to your opinion but I know of a lot of GMs that will agree with me.

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  • #159357
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    fliptonn
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    ramon sessions is not that good…
    certainly not better than,
    1. harris
    2. billups
    3. baron
    4. kidd
    5. nelson

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  • #159373
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    sheltwon3
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    i was saying trade value and I believe he is rounding out to be better than all of the people you mentioned. He can put up Jason Kidd like assist numbers and he can stroke it. I just don’t know how good he is on D and he has good size at 6’3″. I am looking at long term. I know right now his overall number are not a match with those players but they are close to those players and he is young and had to even share time with Ridnour so his numbers could possibly the same as those player and he is younger which makes him had a higher value.

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  • #159418
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    butidonthavemoney

    In terms of trade value…

    1. Derrick Rose
    2. Deron Williams
    3. Chris Paul (Probably better than Rose or Williams but he gets dominated regularly by strong point guards.)
    4. Tony Parker
    5. Russell Westbrook (OKC wouldn’t trade him for any point guard not listed above.)

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  • #159779
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    sheltwon3
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    Westbrook has to many limits but his potential is off the charts. Ramon Sessions has the full package now but no one knows about him because he plays in Milwaukee where they have not been giving him consistent minutes. Sessions has the size of Deron Williams but maybe not as big but he can do everything the top 5 can do. I was thinking of moving Westbrook up but he lack some point guard skills so it was kinda hard to have him higher than those who actually have it.

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  • #159820
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    bonishswhs
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    “big but he can do everything the top 5 can do.” – referring to Sessions

    He absolutely CANNOT do anything that Paul, Williams, Rose, Parker, or Rondo can do, and its really not all that close either. And Sessions in front of Harris, come on, that ones not even close. Id say Harris should be #6 on this list considering hes younger than Calderon, Nash, Arenas, and better than all of them and Sessions. Westbrook’s way too low too. Theres no way that guys like Nash, Calderon, Arenas, or Sessions have more value to their team than Westbrook does to the Thunder. Calderon is the worst defender in the league at PG, he’s only a good offensize player. Toronto would trade him for a lot of guys rated below him. And theres talk of milwaukee letting Sessions go this off-season, so apparently, they dont value him as much as you think.

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