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- Posted on: Sun, 06/07/2009 - 4:05am #4546
rtbtParticipantUnlike American college players whom we see repeatedly, drafting European players involves an even higher level of subjective analysis. I think one of the primary reasons is the fact that scouts probably don’t see them as often as their American counterparts.
To illustrate my point, I’m going to quote parts of a player analysis based on the Reebok Euro Camp from two different websites. Remember, they’re talking about the same player, Alexey Shved, a young Russian guard. One website thinks he could eventually become a number one draft choice while NBADraft.net thinks he won’t make it in the NBA.
Draft Express wrote, “Clearly the most naturally talented player we saw, Shved’s combination of fluidity, confidence and skill-level was unmatched by any of the other players on the roster. He also showed some athleticism finishing acrobatically around the basket plus the foul in transition, and a high skill-level pulling up off the dribble in gorgeous fashion from 18-20 feet on numerous occasions. ……. based off what we saw here, he could strongly be in the mix to get picked in the first round.”
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NBADraft.net wrote, “he has some nice moves, but his quickness is only decent and it limits his ability to get into the lane. He has good size and length, but the explosiveness and speed are two attributes that he is lacking to make him a serious prospect for the next level.”0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/07/2009 - 6:31am #157953
mb6297That’s a great post rtbt about European players in general.
But which mock draft has Alexey Shved going as a lottery pick? That would be ridiculous. He averaged 2.3 pts a game and barely played as a 20 yr old. Also, the kid is 6″5 and 160 lbs? 160 lbs, can that be right?
Draftexpress has him going midway in the 2nd round in the 2010 mock. One of the problems with scouting European guys is that we assume that most of the young guys that are on big market teams will blossom. It’s rare to pick a gem like Stoyacavic, Tony Parker or Ginobilli in the draft.
We’re also scouting guys that play a European type of basketball and who knows how they would fit in the American ISO, superstar-type game.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/07/2009 - 10:09am #158003
Da1potParticipantHe has a lot of potential to be a really special player. I know you guys are thinking 6-5+ plus point guard, another Marko Jaric, but this kid is not only special in terms of point guard potential, but in terms of being a decent wing player as well. He could be really effective on teams with combos as their point guard(Westbrook and arenas) or on a team like the raptors that has an international flow to it .
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 4:43am #158443
rtbtParticipantDa1pot, that’s an interesting analysis. I was wondering who got it right, Draft Express or NBADraft.net. Based upon what you said, it sounds as if Draft Express may be more on track.
But how do you know what kind of player Alexey Shved is? After all he’s a Russian so I’ve never seen him. Do you see Russian games?
As for Marko Jaric, after his career went nowhere, a comparison with him is meaningless. Or maybe it would be worse than meaningless?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 4:46am #158002
rtbtParticipantHi mb6297,
Draft Express thinks he could be a first rounder in the 2010 draft. They didn’t say he would be, they’re only pointing out he has the athleticism and skills to eventually merit a first round choice. That’s why I thought it was so interesting that NBADraft.net didn’t think he had either at an NBA level.
The evaluations were so different that I couldn’t believe they were evaluating the same guy.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 7:39am #158478
Stanford hoopsParticipantim not to familar with him..what did he do during the seaon…i dont think you can really judge the players from the camps to strngly because isnt everyone at the euro camp around 18-21?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 8:37am #158499
rtbtParticipantWhat in the world does age have to do with this conversation?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:06am #158506
Stanford hoopsParticipantbecause some one talked about how he did at the camp..plus age is always a factor when drafting a european player…its common sense…so thats what has to do with it
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:22am #158513
rtbtParticipantThe age of European players eligible for the draft covers the essentially the same age range of American players so I still have no idea why that’s relevant in this discussion. Whether you’re drafting American or European players, you’re almost always selecting a guy who’s very young. So their age has nothing to do with the DIFFERENCES between drafting players here or from Europe.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:40am #158520
Stanford hoopsParticipantmy comments had nothing to do with youre question or comments and more to do with someone else said. so you can just ignore my comments if you have a problem with it or dont like it..problem solved
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:44am #158525
bryant markson1yeah alot of the sites i noticed have changed there mocks based on what a player does in these euro camps more then they put stock in there season..it actually makes a lil snese for some because during the season alot of the young players dont get alot of time even though they are good because the players ahead of them are vets and the coaches dont like playing the young guys
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:44am #158526
rtbtParticipantHuestis wrote, “my comments had nothing to do with youre question or comments and more to do with someone else said.”
There is no someone else, you are the only person in this thread who mentioned age.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:46am #158529
Stanford hoopsParticipantyea that might be the case with jennings but is it the case with the shvd kid bryant?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:49am #158530
bryant markson1most def because he is playing for the top team in russia and playing behind trajan…people may look at how low his fg and 3pt shooting is but one reason its so low is because he doesnt get alot of time..about 6min a game so if he misses 2 shots hes out of the game before he has time to make any
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/08/2009 - 9:50am #158531
Stanford hoopsParticipantoh alright..well im not jumping on his bandwagon before i see him play..but watch how many people on here start to talk about how good he is without seeing him play just by what they read what other posters or writers say
0 - Posted on: Tue, 06/09/2009 - 4:14am #159052
rtbtParticipantDraft Express still hasn’t offered their evaluations of Day 3 at the Euro Camp, but NBADraft.net completed their analysis of a player who showed up only for the final day. I’ve heard very good things about him but of course I never saw him play.
I’m going to quote part of the analysis and I look forward to seeing what Draft Express says.
Jonas Jerebko did not show that he can do much off the dribble; when he gets cut off, he tends to turn his back to the defender then tries to bully his way to the basket. This might be effective against smaller defenders, but at the next level it will leave him in a bad situation. Overall, Jerebko definitely impressed today and even playing just one game will surely help his stock.
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