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- Posted on: Sun, 04/29/2012 - 7:58pm #38757
boshjonesfordParticipantThese two players seem to be the top PGs in this years draft. Who do you think is a better prospect and will have a better career in the NBA.
Who would you say is a better fit for the raptors (considering the fact that PG, SF are their biggest needs and will most likely be picking a PG with the 8th pick as Barnes and MKG will most likely be gone)?
Lastly, is there any chance that Austin RIvers can play PG or is he too much of a shooting guard (dont want to compare him to stehpen curry but i remember him being listed as a SG during draft time but he turned out to be a decent PG in the NBA, could the same apply to Rivers or is he too different?)…The raptors have derozan so i wouldnt want rivers at the SG but if he can prove to play the PG it could be a good pick for the Raptors.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 04/29/2012 - 8:32pm #665635

sammybuckeye13ParticipantI think Marshall has more potential. I would not be the least bit surprised to see him have a Mark Jackson-like career, and Jackson is a borderline hall of famer. How many other prospects can you give that kind of praise to? Lillard could be an effective scorer but I think he’ll find it’ll be a lot harder to get his shots at the next level and while his PG skills are actually getting underrated, there’s no way I would want him running my team over Marshall.
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If I’m the Raptors I don’t really see the point in taking Marshall. You already have a very good pass-first PG who every year essentially averages 8+ dimes with a 4:1 A/TO ratio and is a mediocre scorer at best, yet they can’t find remote success. This is one team that I could see taking Lillard over Marshall; he would inject them with the firepower they need. Rivers could do the same but he isn’t a PG, just has the frame and handle of a PG. He is a scorer’s scorer, a volume shooter, not meant to run an NBA team.
If they remain in the 8 slot and Barnes is available I think he is obviously the pick, giving them the outside shooting and stability at SF they need. PJones would be good value but with Derozan and Bargnani he might be too soft. I’m not sold on Lamb or Ross as being great enough to push Derozan and avoid filling a need. I have been a Marshall over Lillard fan all along but I think Lillard might be the most likely and logical pick here. Lillard, Derozan, Bargnani and Valanciunas would be an exciting young team. And if James Johnson doesn’t pan out at the 3, they could deal Calderon’s juicy $10.6M expiring and either Amir Johnson or Ed Davis for a nice wing. Good thread…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 04/29/2012 - 9:09pm #665637
boshjonesfordParticipant^^ good analysis, what you say makes alot of sense.
Ive been thinking about the marc jackson comparison and i think that this type of point guard (unathletic but good passing) is not that valuable in the modarn nba as point gurds are getting extreemly athletic (rose,westbrook,wall ect)…so having a player like mark jackson at first seems amazing but i think that this type of player is not as valuable as he would have been in previous decades wore athletisism in the pointguard role was not a big concern. Lillard on the other hand played against weak compitition which is a bit of a worry as marshal played for an ellite team in north caroline but again that being said Lillard was the main prioroty in opponets defensive schemes and to still put 24ppg is impremissive regardless of the competition….its a tough call and i guess we will just have to wait and see who becomes a better player…i see Lillard becoming a Jameer Nelson type player while Marshall seems more like a andre miller type player (i guess might be all about the fit, and at this point raptors need a scoreing type like Lillard where as a team with offense prehaps GSW,KINGS for example could use a distributer like Marhsall)
0 - Posted on: Sun, 04/29/2012 - 10:27pm #665644
capshati23ParticipantMarshall is a very good passer but a bad defender and a bad shooter with the point guard crop in the league right now i just dont think he can defend good enough or shoot it good enough i think if a team takes marshall in the loterry there making a huge mistake he would be a better fit as a mid first round pick or late first round pick because he would be on a team with more talent and pieces around him and that would hide his deficiencys as a player. I think lillard will be the better prospect hes not an a elite athlete but hes a good one he can guard his position and he can score the ball i feel like his skillset translates better to the nba
0 - Posted on: Mon, 04/30/2012 - 5:19am #665705
SwatLakeCityParticipantIf I were the Raptors I would not take a point guard. The Raptors need to analyze their team and figure out why they are continually in the lottery even though they have an 8 assist a game PG with a great assist to turnover ratio. Besides they already have an up and coming PG in Bayless. He really is a Calderon injury away from having a breakout year. And he is very similar to Lillard. Why would the Raptors need two players that are very similar? Almost too similar.
There are a couple reasons why the Raptors are still struggling. 1. Bad defense. 2 Not enough rebounding, and 3 not a good shooting guard next to Calderon. That 3rd one is key. Passing PG’s love to have great shooters to pass to. They form great bonds with them. Derozan is not a great shooter, so I’m sure Calderon would love to have a great shooter. As much as the Raptors need a SF, yet already have a SG, I would still take a SG, because of the fact that Calderon would love to have a great shooter to pass to. Derozan can play both the 2 and the 3. So if Barnes is not available, which will likely be the case, I’d take Beal or Lamb and slide Derozan to the 3.
Lillard over Marshall, because he can both shoot and pass. He is an underrated passer. Not as good as Marshall true, but there will be times when passing is not an option because no one is open so that case you need someone that can either drive and slash to the hoop or someone that can shoot as well as pass. I would trust Lillard to do that, but I wouldn’t trust Marshall to do that. True he can score if necessary, but he is first and foremost a passer. There are sometimes that I think that Marshall is too passive, which is also why I rate Lillard over Marshall.
Marshall may have the better career, but right now Lillard is the better player to me because he can shoot and pass. He (Lillard) may have a career similar to Stephen Curry. Marshall will probably have a career similar to Andre Miller. I think anybody would rate Curry ahead of Miller.
Rivers is too much a SG. He is similar to Curry, because he can pass as well as shoot, but he’s clearly a better shooter than he is a passer. I think he is more similar to OJ Mayo or Monte Ellis. He needs to go to a team that will put the ball in his hands, a team that desperately needs a leader, a team that has a ton of players who are best without the ball in their hands that way they have someone who can get them the ball and he can still score when his team absolutely needs it. A team like the Suns would be perfect for him, because Nash is very soon to be leaving. The Suns are too dependant on Nash that once he leaves, they will fall apart, which is why they need a leader that Rivers can be to get them through those falling apart times.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 04/30/2012 - 7:18am #665724

FastAndFuriousParticipantDont be shocked if Marquis Teague is taken first, after he displays his athleticism after the workouts.
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