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  • #38334
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    Badgers22
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  • #659677
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    The White Mamba
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    I think i’d put Perry Jones over Rivers. Rivers has a great work ethic and the drive to score. Jones is just so passive it could be hard for him to score.  Still both are high risk high rewrd guys in my books.

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  • #659684
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    Some people are gonna consider Arnett Moultrie a bust. He will be a good 3rd big and role player but nothing more. I dont know why his stock rose so high to top ten this year, I do like him in the 15-25 range though.

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  • #659697
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    Those would be my 3 busts this year, Drummond, Perry Jones, and Arnett Moultrie. I might even add Terrance Jones to the list, but he likely won’t be drafted high enough to be considered a bust

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  • #659709
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    Hassem Thabeet was a Bust

    most of the players taken in THIS draft will have better carrers than Hassem 

    The Grizzlies should have seen that coming

    The only player I’m worried about being a bust in the 2012 Draft is Meyers Leonard quite frankly

    My reason for that is his size, and because off his size I’m afraid some Gm is going to reach for him in the Lottery and he’ll never see the floor in the capacity he was drafted for

    Players like Jones III, Barnes, Sullinger, Robinson, Moultrie, T.Jones and J. Lamb will never be seen as bust because they’ll play roles very effectively at worst for the teams that draft them, some will have better success than others but none of those guys will be out of The NBA when their rookie contracts are up

    Again, the word BUST is thrown around too often on Draft Forums, we all expect great things from these kids and some we place higher expectations on, it isn’t fair to them to call them potential Bust before they’ve been drafted by a Pro Team let alone given fair time to prove themselves

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    • #659722
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      Have to strongly disagree about Rivers being a "bust". To be honest im not sure exactly how this will shake out/what moves will be made, but i see Rivers inevitably playing for his dad in Boston. Those are two smart guys, and i don’t see how Doc dosen’t get the most out of his son.

      Skills wise- Yes Rivers is undersized for a sg, but at least  he has top notch athletism to go with it. I think his biggest strength is his ball handleing, which he will use to create space for his shots/ get into the lane at the next level. Yes granted it was one game, but you can’t just "dismiss" his  game winner against UNC. Anyone who watched the game, will tell you that based off of strictly observation, the guy has ice water going through his veins. Yes he is ball dominant, but the UNC game showed he wants the ball in his hands with the game on the line. That can’t be learned…He wants to shoot the ball, and his shooting will only get better. You described his shooting as "streaky" but that’s bound to happen when you can pull up off the dribble from 30 feet like Rivers can. Its already been said, but Rivers is a good kid, intelligent, and will work to maximize his potential. I saw an interview with him during the Celtics-Heat game, and he alluded to the fact that he hasn;t missed a class at Duke, since announcing his jump to the NBA….

      Have to agree with Drummond and Sullinger. With Drummond, he has all the physical skills (minus a strong post reportoire of moves) ..with him its just going to be a matter of his mindsight. If he wants to get better every day and dominate, he is certainly capable of that. He’s also capable of settling, taking his money,  and not making a significant impact.

      Have to totally agree with Sullinger. I think that his lack of height/athletism will totally kill him at the next level. Seems like a tough kid though….

       

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  • #659800
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    garbage you loser.

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  • #659808
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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    Kemba Walker, Mo Williams, Jimmer Ferdette, Stephan Curry, Brandon Knight and Norris Cole. The League allows guys to play point guard anyway. How is he not better than Mo Williams in only two to three years.

    Imagine what he would have accomplished at Davidson?

     

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  • #659817
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     Yea but Rivers doesnt have the speed Kemba does, the stroke that Jimmer and Curry have, or the potential Brandon Knight has…

    not to mention Curry, Knight, and Cole are point guards to me

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  • #659893
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    Badgers22
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    I think perry jones is another candidate. I still think his ceiling is insanely higher than Rivers. I actually don’t think he will be a bust. He can be a stud playing with a legit pg IMO.

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  • #659910
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    Rivers could be worse than Mo by simply not embracing his role.  He’s also not the shooter Mo is.  I’m not saying he’s a bust, but if he thinks he’s the man in the NBA, he’s sorely mistaken.

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  • #660003
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    Does anyone actually care about the fact that Thomas Robinson and John Henson were far worse at finishing when matched up against real opposition? Jared Sullinger was bad against Kansas. He was brutal in three games against Michigan State (and  not good in their only meeting the year prior), but he faced Meyers Leonard, Sampson III, Morgan, Young/Yeguette, the Plumlees, etc. It isn’t as if the bad games outnumbered the good when he faced teams with real big bodies. The criticism should be there to some degree, but it should be there for others as well. Also, it isn’t so bad as to think he will bust out of the league so long as he stays healthy.

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  • #660382
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    Everyone cares, but a lot of college bigs are better finishers in the NBA than in college, just like a lot of college shooters are better in NCAA than the NBA.  It’s a spacing thing, largely.

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  • #660389
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    He’s a wing man playing Centre in College.  Once he gets to the L and moves to the wing watch out!  He doesn’t have a big man mentality and it shows in his unwillingness to bang inside with consistency.

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  • #660439
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    "Everyone cares, but a lot of college bigs are better finishers in the NBA than in college, just like a lot of college shooters are better in NCAA than the NBA. It’s a spacing thing, largely."

    If a big man is a better finisher in the NBA than in college, it is because his role has him catching dump offs and little else. It is possible for a guy like Drummond who was a miserable post scorer as a freshman to go to some bad team and hang around the hoop, catch lobs and dumpoffs as well as a put back or two. That alone won’t make him a better finisher, it just is a function of a lesser role. Over time, he can develop a post game, but it certainly won’t happen between now and next November. John Henson will not gain the base strength necessary to be anything more than a gangly second unit big body. Can he catch a lob or dunk a dump off in space? Yes. It won’t make him a better finisher in the true sense of a big man having a valuable impact in the paint. Thomas Robinson is the same way. He won’t enter the league as raw as Tristan Thompson, but there are similarities in terms of guys whose athleticism clouds the reality of their abilities as finishers.

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  • #660450
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    Kevin Garnett said Austin Rivers will go down as one of the best players to play the game

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