NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Source: Players unlikely to accept deal

 LOL these morons are never going to get a deal done.

 It’s funny that they keep forgetting the fans in the equation they keep acting like it’s them against the owners, I have a feeling there going to take a hit from fan support for this bullshit.

Wait how come people keep saying they are tired of the Players?  What about the Owners who are billionaires but want even more money? They players have given up 7 percent and alot of other things in order to get a deal done while the owners have continued to gain more things and still want more. Which sounds more greedy to you? The Millionaires that are giving back or Billionaires that want more and haven’t given up anything?  I wouldn’t agree with the D-League clause either. They can send a player down and only have to pay them 75k while they pocket the rest of that say 5 million dollar contract. They care about the fans but they care about themselves more just like any of you would care more about you and you’re coworkers if you were on strike at a restaurant instead of the people who need you to serve them food.

We as fans have no voice in this because no matter how the players or owners act we will still come back and watch, if we were to not come back and have a fan lockout then it would be different but that’s not gonna happen.

 I have a feeling that neither side wants to get a deal done. I have more sympathy for the out-of-work arena employees than I’ll ever have for the players or owners.

The players want to get a deal done because they need the money wayyyyy more than the owners, but they are smart enough to know not to sign a bad deal just to get a deal done. It is sad for the vendors and little people but if they were being locked out of their job they wouldn’t sign a bad deal just so the players could play. Harsh but that’s reality.

harsh but reality is that those workers get min. wage, while players get millions..even though i know where your coming from.Its just the basic rule of a job, The owners are the bosses, and the players are employees people get pay cuts all the time, and they have to accept it, players seem to be the exception. I know i keep writing this on every lockout post, and i am not on the owners sides, on the arena workers side.

sidenote- it seems like every post on this subject people always seem to think im saying athletes don’t deserve the money they get, thats not true i am not intending my comments to show that, its just the basic employer employee arrangement that works in daily life.

But they don’t have to just accept it which is why they didn’t accept the deal. Luckily they have the right to refuse and then drop the decertification bomb which the owners don’t want because then it goes to court and its out of there hands which takes away any power they may have had.  Its the owners fault they are losing money in these small markets and if the NBA really wanted to save/make money they need to have less teams. Get rid of the teams that are making no money in small markets or get rid of the owners who don’t seem to know how to make money in small markets. In a business if you can;t cut it other businesses don’t share with you or try to make a even playing field so you can make money

I just hope it goes to a vote, hopefully the naysayers are a vocal minority and the majority of players want to get a deal done. If they don’t at least put this to a vote then we’re in for a LONG wait without basketball.

Dont worry there will be basketball this year. The players have to accept they have no choice. They are just juicing out as much as they can from the deal…playing hard to get.

I don’t think think the players are juicing it out… They’re serious. They’ve been in concessionary bargaining the entire lockout. All they’ve done is given and given. The owners haven’t negotiated in good faith. All they’ve done is give deadlines, ultimatums and threats. They’ve really strong armed the players and the players aren’t taking it lightly. There are some people who say the BRI Split and the system are separate issues, but then others who think they go hand in hand. I’m one of those people who think they go hand and hand. The players have given back the owners plenty of money, so I feel like the owners could lessen up on the cap system to a degree.

I think the owners have underestimated the resolve of the players. They’re not going to cave. The players have last seasons givebacks to hold them over for awhile. They WILL decertify and the push is led by big named players. 

I know the players make more money than me, but the owners trying to push the players into a corner and hold them accountable for their own bad mistakes is what’s wrong with this country.  

It is somewhat funny that the only reason to put that clause into play is because of Hasheem Thabeet. If teams ever come to realize that defense is played differently in the NBA than in the NCAA and Europe (actually have to leave the lane) and do not overvalue the blocked shot, then this issue would not exist. Sure, there are idiots like Terrence Williams for whom management might want to punish by sending him down and docking him pay, but most of those assignments are short and rare. A well run organization is not going to want to create tension between their young developmental players and the organization. My guess would be that the pay cut would not be mandatory and that teams would only trigger that cut in certain instances. If the Kings have a $45 million payroll, what good would it do for them to send Isaiah Thomas to the D-League and dock him pay? The league would essentially be running off back of the roster young players towards more minutes and money elsewhere. If Malcolm Thomas can get $300K plus in South Korea (21-10-3-3-1.5 so far on a middling team) and Isaiah Thomas spends half the year collecting checks off a $75K scale, then the league takes another step closer to losing its near monopoly on the elite talent of the world. It is already a situation where there are players who are choosing to be stars in Europe rather than role players in the NBA (Ersan Ilyasova, JCN, Bo McCalebb, probably Rudy Fernandez, etc). The divide between the back half of rosters and the elites elsewhere is minimal from the standpoint of individual talent (fit matters), but not insignificant in the overall quality of play for 82 games and the early rounds of the playoffs. If Jereme Richmond ends up in an NBA camp after he gets out of prison, there is something wrong about the available talent for the backhalf of rosters.

I would expect that the silent majority of players end up pushing for a vote on the A List items and have the understanding that some of these B List issues still need work. If nothing else, Hunter can put in triggers based off minutes played in the NBA to prevent teams from abusing the practice. The age limit is probably going to be at 20 years old. I think it means more to Stern than it does Hunter. Unless a player gets hurt in college, the aging process of an NBA player starts when he gets to the league. An 82-game grind is very different from the twice a week schedule of college and Europe. Players entering from high school did not really add years onto careers. It just changed the prime years to an earlier age and made the physical decline sooner.

They shouldn’t either. 5uck the owners and Stern. Stern is a cocky mother 5ucker and I hate that look on his face when he talks like he is god and the world are his little people. 5uck what the media or public says and don’t take the deal it’s BS.

I can’t understand this whole, the players need to just shut up and take the deal mentality.  While in theory I don’t believe that NBA players should be making more than medical doctors, firemen, teachers, etc our culture dictates what they are capable of earning. I don’t think they should just take a deal that they believe is unfair because fans want to watch basketball. If that is the case, it would work both ways. I guarantee, Chicago, NY, Dallas, Miami and the LA teams could have already made a "fair" deal, but these owners don’t even agree. Some won’t care because they are still getting paid from the tv deals no matter what.The average person may have to take a pay cut or do whatever their boss says, but the NBA is much different in part because these guys are the product. You are not just going to replace Kobe and Lebron. Even plenty of these bench players that get no time on the court you are not going to find replacements off the street. This whole do whatever people with more money tell us to do is part of why America is having the problems that you have been seeing in recent time.

Stupidity

The players are just showing their stupidity and pride if they don’t accept this last offer from the owners.  It may not be what they want and it may not even be fair but it is the best they will get and if they turn it down, the next offer will be much worse and they will probably lose the whole season and a ton of money.  The fans aren’t going to sympathise with the players crying and the NBA will suffer and lose alot of fans. 

The offer the players end up getting , who knows when will be much more restrictive and salaries will be rolled back, I wonder who is advising these guys.  Pride , pride, pride, it is hard to swallow and causes people to make very poor decisions.

I don’t get this collective bargaining agreement stuff…

If a side doesn’t except the restrictions you go back and make it even more restricted?

Logic says that you compromise little by little until both sides are satisfied.

Why would they except a worse deal then the one they just refused?

The players should have accepted this long ago.  The owners have all the leverage.  They have tons of money and earn most of their money outside of the NBA.  The NBA is more a pleasurable experience for them and gives them an opportunity to win a sports championship title, bringing fame to their name.  They don’t need this for monetary purposes. 

The players on the other hand, need the league to be active to get paid (if they want to play pro ball in the USA at the highest level).  They can make the most money playing ball over here, even with the new deal.  It amazes me how they think they wear the pants in this relationship.  Fisher is in over his head IMO.  I don’t think the deal will improve that much more for the players than where it already is.  Its up to them if they want to get paid to play pro ball in the World’s greatest historic basketball league v. working a normal person’s occupation or playing ball for less somewhere else where fame and glory they earn is far less.  

And Fisher, Evans, and the few other flaunting around their buisness degree’s like their some sort of scholars and experts in the business world, give me a break.  Apparnetly someone didn’t take business economics or you would have known by now you are not going to win this battle. 

M-DYMES: I agree with you, those who argue for the players are naive or too young to understand reality. The players will just end up with a worse settlement if they decide to fight this and they will lose the whole season and millions of dollars.  It isn’t a matter of right and wrong or what is fair, it is a matter of reality and the players will lose if they fight it. 

If I were an owner I would be fighting just like Jordan is for a BRI and a system that would make my business profitable and would allow my team to have a chance to compete on a more even field. There is plenty of money made in this business for the teams to be profitable and for the players to be millionaire’s. The economics of today are tough and lots of people are out of work or had to accept a reduction in pay , just to keep their jobs, accepting a system that may restrict player movement but create more balance isn’t a bad thing. The players just need to wise up and take the deal.  Like I said earlier pride is usually a bad thing.  It has always been pride that comes before the fall.  I hope the players realize the smart thing to do and except the deal.