Shaq to Kobe During Their Feud: ‘I Will Kill You’

Well, at least most of them. The Shaq and Kobe feud was real, though. I was always a Shaq guy, but it was ridiculous on both ends. With Shaq saying Kobe was immature about things, he probably was, but I think Shaq has lacked maturity at times as well. Either way, their was truth to what they both said, I think it was more about pride and ego rather than right and wrong. Great while it lasted, made for incredible drama for 3 championships and the next two years including that surprising loss to the Pistons in 2004.

I still think what they did as a duo, when you look at their supporting cast on those Finals teams, was pretty incredible. Kobe definitely seems to be a fairly introverted guy, but he is also a perfectionist and incredibly fierce competitor. Shaq may have been hurt, but his lack of conditioning during his last few years as a Laker was evident and must have killed Kobe. I am sure Shaq’s blood must have been boiling after Kobe through him under the bus, saying that he cheated on his wife as well. It is just not something you do, definitely breaks "the bro code". Either way, while it is cool to hear what really happened, including Shaq’s obviously scary words to Kobe. By the way, I think "Whatever", might be anyones response to a Shaquille O’Neal death threat. That or balling up into the fetal position.

that’s just very sad for malone cause payton finally managed to get the ring he deserved… not the mailman.

this team sould have won at least 3 more rings.

 Kobe didn’t throw Shaq under the bus. He told the POLICE that Shaq and OTHER VETERANS taught him it was ok to cheat on the road. Again, the POLICE. It was in a supposed confidential situation. He never once came out to the public and said anything. A money hungry fame seeking police officer slipped the story the the media. Not Kobe’s fault. If you were wrongly being accused of rape and were trying to clear the air to the police and spill everything, every single person on this site would have done the same exact thing. 

I wanna ask two things to the guys who preach this bullshit about the "bro code", how does it feel up there on your high horse? Does it get lonely or do you have enough company from each other to offset the loneliness.

Dude, even telling the police that probably did very little to help his case. The reason I put the "bro code" in quotations, is because I find it pretty stupid and laughable. Seeing that it was the off-season, I have no idea how mentioning anyone he played basketball with was even topical. So, do not exactly know where you are going with this whole thing. I think he and Shaq both were immature about this whole thing.

I think that even if it was to the police, saying, "Well, Shaq told me that it was cool", is something that never needed to be said. I do not know how you think this was something that needed to be said, whether it was supposed to remain confidential or otherwise. I believe Kobe was indeed innocent, though I believe he was not proclaimed innocent due to Shaq or anyone else teaching him their ethics of marriage. Again with the high horse, this time from a different person who completely misunderstands what I was trying to get across.

I don’t know if Kobe raped that girl or not (the case was thrown out, so I just go with that), but the whole thing was stupid anyway… The girl was trash. He’d have been better off throwing in a porn and beating his meat for the night lol. The fallout that came from that was just not even worth it.

Kobe was definitely a punk for throwing Shaq under the bus though lol… No excuse for it. Lame from every single angle. No other way to look at it. Just lame.

Talking about this makes me think of the song by Nas "These Are Our Heroes" lol.

him bringing up shaq to the police was dumb and there was no reason for it. But it shows how shady the police were too that they immediately called shaq that very day and told him what kobe said. They were obviously some small town folk looking to cause drama.

Not sure that Scottie Pippen ever had one negative thing to say about MJ, accept that he beat him up every day in practice. I believe that in team sports, to be called the best, you have to be a great teammate too.

 Um dude, MJ literally fought his teammates so don’t even go there. And he didn’t say Shaq said it was cool. The police asked him what exactly happened, and he said he did in fact have sex with here even though he was married but the Shaq and some of the other veterans said it was cool. It wasn’t a big deal. You guys are seriously pushing here to act like you wouldn’t throw someone under the bus like that when you’re talking to someone who is supposed to be keeping it CONFIDENTIAL. I guarantee everyone here has done something similar in their lives. The man was going to go to jail  and had to tell every detail available to him. He figured Shaq would have his back and tell the police it was true since he always talked about being a "big brother". You have to use names to be able to have someone for the cops to question and validate what you’re saying is true. Had he just said "some of the veterans" then it wouldn’t have helped ANY. Again, this was supposed to be confidential and I’m sorry, but if you’re being questioned for rape, you’re not gooing to be thinking about the "bro code", you’re going to be thinkin about anything and everything that you can do or say to clear YOUR name. I’m done with this conversation. RIdiculoous and immature of everyone to think this is such a bad thing.

But, I know other people that did. How is this immature? I already told you that I think the "bro code" is immature and stupid, but I do not see how you connect the dots here and think everyone would have started telling their life story. Yes, I am sure Kobe was fighting for his innocence and in a really bad situation. But, I do not connect "adultery" with "rape". Was one of the questions, "Who told you to cheat on your wife" or "Why did you think it was ok to be with this girl on the road"? That, I do not understand. It being confidential does not mean you need to go into something beyond that. I am not a police officer, but I think if he said, "some veterans", than they would not ask him to make a list. Were they with Kobe?

The past is the past, and I have no idea what Kobe was being asked. But, I think the question we all have is, how did this come up in a rape case? If Kobe had said some other player, would they have been like "I don’t believe him, he is just covering for Shaq"? It just does not make a lot of sense that this question came up and they asked Kobe specifically who he learned a certain action from. You were the one that came with this angle that everyone would have done the same thing if they felt like no one else would find out, but if you say something, to anyone, they could indeed find out. Would some people maybe frown on being mentioned in a negative light, particularly when cheating and rape seem to be two hugely different things?

What if Kobe had said you had told him it was ok to cheat on the road? Can you not understand why some people did not like that Kobe mentioned this about Shaq, particularly seeing that the two of them were known to have some personal issues? I could. I feel Kobe did not necessarily do the wrong thing, he was afterall in a very stressful situation, but I really think that it seemed unnecessary for Shaq to be mentioned at all. If you were in this situation, and a police officer asked you why you thought it was alright to commit adultery, would you say because someone else did it? I think I would try to take accountability for my actions. The police obviously seem like d-bags in this as well, but I just do not get the connection of Shaq and Kobe in the rape allegations, nor why it seems to have made you so volatile.

 The immature comment wasn’t really made for you mikey, just in general

 And Kobe was said to have been asked what he was doing with the girl if he was married if he didn’t rape her. It was a character question. He then explained that it was simply something he was told by Shaq and some of the other vets that it was OK to cheat. It was simply part of explaing why he was innocent and why it was consentual.

 Again, he was just trying to throw any name out there that would agree with his story and validate it. Unfortunately his remarks were taken out of context and simply turned into an attack towards Shaq. Kobe’s plan backfired completely. And there is no fact that Shaq is the only name put out there, simply that he was one of the names used. It’s not like he intentionally threw The Diesel under the bus. Simply a miscommunication and a young guy having his words misconstrued.

 And mikey, you can say you would try to take accountability, but the dude was a young kid still, 24 and like LBJ had never really had a reason to take accountability. He should have man’d up, but he didn’t. He was immature. But again, I sincerely doubt that Shaq was the only name brought up.

But, at the time, you understand why it looked that way, don’t you? I mean, it was a really messy situation. Kobe was in trouble, but he and Shaq were constantly at each others throats. I do not think the people saying this about Kobe were immature, just kind of questioning the necessity of why he brought what he said up. Man, I am a Kobe fan, I own a ridiculous amount of Mamba Nike stuff, a 8 and 24 jersey (8 was a T-Shirt, but I got the 24 official), but I still question if he needed to bring this up. It was no news to anyone that athletes cheat on their wives and girlfriends, so why was Shaq, or whoever else mentioned, the prime example? 

I do not mean to sound harsh here, this was afterall a serious charge and it must have been awful for everyone involved. But, even with your explanation, does it not seem like this could have gotten back to Shaq? I mean, if Shaq was a "character witness", do they just take Kobe at his word and let it be? Seems like a logical progression to Shaq either being told about it or hearing about it. If you use a person as a reference, you usually call or talk to them first. I do not know man, I for one got over this fairly quickly, and I am sure Shaq did to. Athletes committing adultery is nothing new. But, for Kobe to say he was told by certain people that it was alright to do it, even if they did, he in no way had to say who they were. I understand you do whatever you have to clearing your name, but did he HAVE to? The truth shall set you free, but even if somethings are going to be kept confidential, you do not have to overexpose. Seems like this was likely the case, at least with everything you have said about the situation.

Also, not saying LeBron would have done anything differently, or anyone else. I just do not know why you are necessarily justifying Kobe’s actions here. He was young and immature, 24 years old. But, him not taking accountability and naming multiple people who swayed him down the path of infidelity certainly does not make what he did seem any better. You live and learn, and he assumedly has learned from this a great deal. Many people have forgiven Kobe for this, but it is hard to forget that it did indeed happen.

 I get where you’re coming from, but I just feel like had Kobe used Shaq as a character witness that he would have intended on getting ahold of Shaq before the shady cops decided to run and tell trying to stir up trouble. And again, I agree he should have taken accountability for his own actions, but I can understand why he wouldn’t have. It’s no secret that Bean was a very immature youth. 

BTW, I have trouble believing word for word what Shaq says as his credibility is a little shady. Afterall, he’s been known to embelish the truth from time to time. And FYI, Shaw and Kobe have a terrific friendship. 

I just get irrate at everyone jumping Kobe for something he did as an immature youth and trying to act as if it was a personal attack towards Shaq. Afterall, Kobe is the one who didn’t retaliate time after time. Phil mentioned it in the last stand that Kobe had just come into his office saying that he better get Shaq to quit with the (numerous) public jabs that he was going to retaliate. and they didn’t take them into the office and say no public jabs towards each other, they told them to chill but the message was sent to Kobe not to retaliate. He didn’t feel it was enough and the infamous interview with Gray occurred. If memory serves me correctly, a large portion of laker fans were glad he stood up for himself finally.

If you read everything we wrote, we actual kind of came to a mutual understanding of each others point of view. So, no real feud. Me versus you, on the other hand, IT’S ON! You better change your name to McUzzy:

 WOW….I literally busted out laughing over that one McDunkin. +1

That was like child pornography, cuz that little boy just got f*cked.

Dude, he did have amazing cocky entrances. But, he also did not really get KTFO. Like Uzzy did. McMissthepoint. Well, at least you make up for it by posting moderately hilarious videos. By the way, when are my waffles coming in the mail? Or did we agree you would hand deliver them? I forget, but you still owe me.

I just need to find that gif site you always go to. And maybe learn how to write over hilarious pictures. If I did this, than you might be McIrrelevant. I think we need each other, friend. You keep posting irreverent basketball stories, hilarious gifs and videos, I will keep writing paragraph essays and such. 

Coincidently enough, I was wondering about the whole feud just a couple days before I stumbled into the Yahoo article, and I don’t remember much, considering that I’m two weeks older than Kobe’s career, lol, but after reading the Wikipedia page about the whole Shaq-Kobe feud, I can see that Shaq was a guy who wanted to be loved, and ultimatly, wanted a little brother, and was upset that the whole world was drooling over Kobe.

Kobe on the other hand wanted no part of anything. He just wanted to play ball, but wanted to be "The Man" as well. But for a two year period, before the whole toe injury and the rape allegations, the feud was gone. So it makes you think what could have been, had Kobe never gone to Colorado, and that Toe had stayed healthy, and Shaq in shape.

But ever since the trade, it is clear Shaq has been trying to make amends, sans the whole rap battle thing three years ago. If you track his comments about Kobe since, they are all positive and supportive, and now he claims that it was all a maketing stunt, which I highly doubt, but that’s what he says.

Ultimately, when you have two guys with clashing personalities and confidence that can translate to arrogance, it will hurt the team, and I honestly think that that team had a good 4-5 tittles left. I really do. Shaq put up 17 and 8 in 09, so that would have been an additional 5 years where Shaq would still be playing at a decent level, and Kobe at an elit level, along with a competant Derek Fisher, and Luke Walton, lol.

i doubt the lakers would have won many if any more rings with shaq and kobe together. SHaq wanted close to 30 mill from the lakers per and kobe was getting up there around 20 mill per. ANd the rest the roster was weak by 2004. Malone was injured and retired, payton was a role player. Medvedenko sucked. Fox was retiring. FIsher was pretty much the onyl other guy. It was time to rebuild.

As for the feud. I was always on team kobe. Shaq has my utmost repsect for bringing 3 rings to LA. But he did a lot of things that irritated me. Basically, he wasnt a hard worker. Kobe is the epitome of hardworker. Ill roll with hardworekers who push themselves any day.

 I actually disagree Perez. The roster was somewhat weak, bt as horrid a defender/rebounder as Cook was he would have actually been decent beside of Shaq. Walton as well. Draft Ariza over Sasha in 04 and a couple free agent signings and they’re right back where they needed to be. They simply got old, wouldn’t have been that hard to retool around those two guys. In fact, Smush would have been quite a tri PG with Kobe/Shaq. 

Lol at :28, with Shaq going "Kobe?"

Is it just me, or are the two of us often the only two users logged in to the site?

Actually, I’ve notice the same. Probably because were both in school, and coincidently have the same routine and rotation of juggling homework, basketball, Nbadraft.net, family time, and NBA2k12.

I’m an old man!  I’m a 100%, AARP-certified, GOSH-DARNED OLD MAN!

But yeah, it seems like the most active time on this site is around 4:00 AM.  Wierdos.

Did you read NBADraft.net Survivor?