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- Posted on: Sat, 10/29/2011 - 3:23am #33575

IndianaBasketballParticipantUpdated Oct 29, 2011 5:15 AM ET
This is opinion: The latest NBA lockout stalemate is all about the basketball-related-income split. The owners want 50-50. The players want 52-48.
This is fact: The belief that NBA Players Association president Derek Fisher has been co-opted by commissioner David Stern — and promised the commish he could deliver the union at 50-50 — caused NBPA executive director Billy Hunter and at least one member of the union’s executive committee to confront Fisher on Friday morning and make him reassess his 50-50 push, a source familiar with the negotiations told FOXSports.com Friday afternoon.
A veteran NBA player familiar with the negotiations characterized the concerns about Fisher’s allegiance as similar to the concerns about Michael Curry in 2005, the year of the league’s last collective-bargaining agreement.
Curry, an 11-year NBA player who earned around $15 million for his career, was the union’s player president from July 2001 through late June 2005. At age 36, he played 18 games for the Indiana Pacers during the 2004-05 season, his last season. The NBA and the union agreed in principle on the now-expired labor deal on June 21, 2005. A week later, Michael Curry stepped down as the union’s president. On Sept. 8, 2005, David Stern announced that his alleged former labor-agreement adversary would be vice president, player development for the NBA Development League.
“Michael has always expressed an interest in helping to develop young players whose potential has yet to be realized,” Stern stated in a 2005 release. “His personal experience in development leagues and ultimately as a valued NBA veteran, makes him a perfect fit to contribute to the mission of the D-League.”
In August of 2006, Stern announced Curry would be promoted to NBA vice president, basketball operations. Curry left that job a year later to serve as an assistant coach on Flip Saunders’ Detroit Pistons staff. A year later, Joe Dumars and Pistons ownership made the bizarre decision to turn their team over to the highly inexperienced Curry, giving him a 3-year, $7.5 million contract. Curry was fired after one season — $7.5 million richer.
Do I need to connect all of the dots?
The player rollbacks began in earnest with the 2005 deal. With Fisher — a 15-year veteran who has earned $57 million — allegedly in Stern’s hip pocket, the owners are determined to remake the system and reduce the players’ BRI to 50 percent.
In my earlier column exposing Fisher’s and his assistant Jamie Wior’s inappropriate role in these labor negotiations, I pegged Fisher as a real-life Stringer Bell, the smooth-talking character whose reckless ambition got him in trouble in Season 3 of “The Wire.” The truth is, Curry was Stringer Bell. Fisher is the real-life Cheese Wagstaff, the loose-lipped, double-dealing idiot who got Prop Joe killed.
As I said in my original column, David Stern is a real-life Marlo Stanfield.
Guess that makes me Slim Charles, and “this is for Joe.”
According to my source, at least one five-time champion, NBA superstar with the initials K.B. was on board with Fisher’s push for a 50-50 split. Hunter is firm that the players should not accept less than 52-48. According to my source, Hunter and a member of the executive committee convinced Fisher to stand firm at 52-48 after they questioned the Lakers point guard about his relationship with Stern and deputy commissioner Adam Silver.
According to reports, Hunter ended today’s negotiating session telling Stern the union would not budge on 52-48.
It has been my belief throughout this process that Fisher is the wrong person to be the president of the union. He has earned a substantial amount of money from playing in the NBA. But not enough that he can’t be influenced and baited by the NBA establishment.
Earlier this week, I contacted Steve Nash and Grant Hill to talk about the lockout. They are the kind of mature, super-wealthy, thoughtful players who should be at the head of the union.
Union president is a difficult job. Looking out for the best interests of superstars, stars, role players and bench players is extremely complex. The difference between 52 and 50 percent won’t come out of the salaries of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant and Dirk Nowitzki. It’s the bottom 325 players who are going to be squeezed financially.
This is opinion: Billy Hunter has to answer to the bottom 325 players. Derek Fisher has to answer to the superstars and David Stern.
This is fact: Fisher and Hunter haven’t been on the same page throughout this lockout
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/29/2011 - 7:16am #605841
WinterSoldierParticipantAt this point I don’t care i’ll side with whoever is trying to have a season.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/29/2011 - 6:33pm #605881

iguapops420ParticipantFisher may be on board with Stern, but I have no belief at all that Kobe Bryant is doing the same. In 05 he was the ONLY player standing firm with original convictions. Not to mention he has always been about cash. Either he stands up against and messes up the first supposed deal along with KG and Pierce, then turns around and supposedly has an underhanded deal going on with stern and Fish. Damn if you do damn if yah don’t. The media is just dead set on making Kobe out to be a bad guy. WTF!
0 - Posted on: Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:26pm #605890

llperezeven if fisher believes 50-50 is fair and is pushing for it, it doesnt mean he is on sterns side. There are numerous issues to address and i gaurantee you 400+ nba players dont agree on everything nor do all 30 nba owners agree on everthing.
and i read this article as well as whitlocks linked article about fisher getting played. None of it makes sense to me. He doesnt provide one single example of fisher not doing his job or being unprepaired or "getting played" as he puts it.
"Billy Hunter, executive director of the NBA Players Association, should consider opening his emergency players’ meeting in Los Angeles on Friday by reminding himself and sidekick Derek Fisher of who is actually paid $2.6 million to run the union.
It’s not Derek Fisher, or the role-playing point guard’s mini-Maverick Carter, personal assistant Jamie Wior."
yes, hunter is the director and makes the money to make the big deciosns. Everyone knows that. Your point whitlock?
"It’s Billy Hunter, the 68-year-old lawyer with the diverse (repped MC Hammer), impressive (freed Patty Hearst as U.S. Attorney) and long resume (executive director since 1996). He is the man with the necessary intellect, expertise and experience to take on NBA commissioner David Stern. Hunter has done it before. He helped create a salary system the owners now say heavily favors the players.
If Hunter is too old, too tired, too disinterested, too beaten down by the immaturity of the players he represents to stand up to Stern, then Billy should give the so-called “power agents” what they want and step aside.
I like and respect Billy. I like and respect Fish"
yes billy hunter is very qualified for the job he gets paid 2.6 million dollars to do. Next
"But Stern and his control-the-debate mouthpiece (TV partner ESPN) and the NBA power agents and their bully-Billy Hunter mouthpiece (Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski) are putting clown suits on Billy and Fish on a daily basis. Billy has given Fish way too much freedom. Nearly every time I watch an ESPN update about the NBA lockout, I see footage of Stern offering a comment followed by player president Derek Fisher putting his spin on the negotiations."
whitlock ripping espn (shocker). Honest question, has whitlock ever written any article in his time at fox sports after espn fired him that didnt blast espn and reke of resentment towards his former employer? Oh yeah, and fisher puts his spin on things and responds to stern because as the voted in president of players that his job. Whats your point whitlock?
"Fish is suited and booted, looking like he just removed sunglasses, stepped off a New York runway and is cooling off from a long negotiating session with John Boehner, Nancy Pelosi and President Obama.
Oh, Fish looks the part. Too bad he’s playing a role he is clearly not ready for. He’s a No. 2, a role player, a Capo paid to take the temperature of street soldiers and deliver intel to the Don.
You remember in Godfather I when Don Corleone scolded Sonny for speaking too freely in front of Sollozzo and Sonny’s loose lips wound up getting Don Corleone capped?
Fish = Sonny Corleone. And Hunter is getting capped."
Blah, blah blah. Comapring fisher to some tv show i have never seen and expecting readers to understand while providing zero examples, reasons, proof or anything to validate these comparisons. And its funny that these comparisons make no sense, yet he references this article in future articles as prior reasoning why fisher fails at his job. Uhmm…you actually arent supplying readers with anything other then maybe amusing pop culture references with nothing substantial to actually add merit to the coulum whitlock.
"Fish and his female mini-Maverick are out of control. They formulated and launched the childish “Let us play” Twitter campaign that Kenyon Martin turned ugly – he allegedly wished a “full-blown AIDs” death on his Twitter “haters” – in a matter of hours. It took even less time for the power agents’ mouthpiece to pounce. Wojnarowski filed a column shredding Hunter, Fisher and a wrongly accused, unnamed public-relations firm for the ploy. Maybe out of fear that the super-powerful Wasserman Group – the firm that backs agent Arn Tellem – wouldn’t want its name in the streets, Woj tossed rose petals at the feet of one union employee, Dan Wasserman, a PR flack with no ties to the Wasserman Group."
what the hell does kenyon martin throwing out insults to "haters" on twitter have to do with fisher and his abilities as president of the players union? I mean I must be completely missing the point of this paragraph other then maybe being space filler. What does this have to do with anything relevant to the current labor negotiations?
"This is grown-folks business. Someone needs to tell Fish to stand back and let grown folks handle this. Do you see David Stern letting his No. 2, Adam Silver, play the front man on these negotiations? Like him or not, Stern is a grown man doing what grown men do when millions of dollars are stake. He’s out in the streets running his corners. Meanwhile, Fish is getting “rainmade.” He’s playing away games. He’s finding out he’s not as smart as he thinks he is and maybe he’s not hard enough for Stern’s streets.
If you can’t understand the last three or four sentences, watch my favorite TV show “The Wire” and it will all make sense. If you want a quick, Whitlock family/Masterpiece Lounge translation: Fish got brand new.
He’s full of himself. I suspected it a couple of weeks ago when a letter Fisher personally wrote to the players somehow got leaked to Sports Illustrated. The pro-union letter put Fish in a wonderful light. He preached solidarity and anti-decertification. It was a good look … for Fish.
Billy Hunter’s name was nowhere on the letter. The letter wasn’t written on Players Association letterhead. Just like the Twitter campaign, Hunter knew nothing about the letter."
Okay now he is referencing "The Wire" as another pop culture reference way to try and be interesting without actually addressing any issues or at least supporting evidence towards his comparions once again. I mean at least Bill simons who is the king of pop culture creative writing comparisons actually makes it clear to the reader why the comparioson exists instead of just saying "if you dont understand my last 3 or 4 sentences, just watch the wire. Its a good show and does my reasoning for me. DOnt expect me to do it."(paraphrased)
As for the letter he wrote, maybe fish is full of himself. He wouldnt be the first peron invloved with these negotiations to be so. Also, dont think both the players and owners sides want to very intentionally send the memo to the media and thus the fans that they are solidified. Yeah, screw that cocky fisher for writing a letter that claims union solidarity.
You are reaching here mr whitlock to create a story.
"It’s time to reel Fisher back in. He’s not Isiah Thomas, an NBA legend with connections from the streets to the highest level of government. Like him or not, as player president in the 1980s and 1990s, Isiah was a worthy adversary for Stern. Isiah was a formidable No. 2 for then-executive director Charles Grantham.
Fisher is not that guy. He’s had a tremendous NBA career for a role player. But he doesn’t command the kind of respect and fear on the court or off that makes him fit for the role he’s playing now. He’s Stringer Bell, slick and polished. Stern is Marlo Stanfield."
yeah, fish aint isaih thomas. He isnt known as one of the worst gm’s in nba history with a side of sexual harrasment that cost his employer millions. He also hasnt taken an entire basketball organization that had been around for decades and ran it into nakruptcy in 12 months like isaiah did to the CBA. Yeah, Fish aint Thomas, thats a negative Whitlock? And as for the star power intimidation thing, dont think the owners are that weak that they would be any more likely to fold to a star player representing the union. I mean dont you remember how well the 1998 lockout went with guys like michael jordan and patrick ewing taking leading roles? Yeah the owners really bent over for them (sarcasm). Oh, and im gonna just say lol at the continued random refernces to some tv show or movie or something that you like watching whitlock.
Fact is i read these columns not looking to attack whitlock and defend fisher, but honestly to hear some insite about how fish might "be in sterns pocket" as whitlock suggests. I was honestly open to this conspiricy theory. Those attacking/defensive instincts came into play after i realized that in neither article did i find ANYTHING to support that theory other then random proofless claims and meandering babbling.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/31/2011 - 6:48am #606019
Jlv2011it’s just unreliable to follow someone’s "sources". Who knows what’s going. Really don’t care, just put some players on the court and let’s go.
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