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  • #32841
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    aamir543
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    When Lebron James and Chris Bosh decided to join D Wade in Miami, many people didn’t know what to expect from them, from a basketball standpoint. After a 58 win season, and coming 2 games within a championship, this next season will be very telling for them. And if a season is lost to a lockout, that  would absolutely deveastating to them, half way through the big three era and no ring. But I can’t help but thinking there is so much more left to be discovered with this group of players. I know that they don’t have much beyond the big three, but two of the best perimeter players plus a premier big should be more than enough to be a great offensive team. It disturbed me that they ran so many isos for Lebron and Wade, and that there is absolutely no off ball movement. Their offense is stagment, and they just stand and wait for Lebron or Wade to make a play. They hold the ball too long, and don’t get thier shooters involved enough. I do expect them to easily win a couple more games due to Haslem and Miller being back, and possibly a 65 win season. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that they  need to fix their offense, and to be quite offense, I think the triangle offense would fit perfectly with the personel that they have. In the below link, you don’t have to read the whole article, but just watch the videos and all the ball movement. I think that a system like that would be great with a Wade, Miller, James, Haslem, and Bosh Lineup. I know some people may disagree, so please give your input about what you think about the Heat’s offense.

    http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/10/25/lakers-triangle-offense/

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  • #595372
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     That’s only a small sample of the triangle. It’s far more complicated than 4-5 plays for each position. IMO, the 91-93 triangle. Absolutely NOT the Lakers triangle though.

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  • #595395
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     That’s only a small sample of the triangle. It’s far more complicated than 4-5 plays for each position. IMO, the 91-93 triangle. Absolutely NOT the Lakers triangle though.

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  • #594923
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     That’s only a small sample of the triangle. It’s far more complicated than 4-5 plays for each position. IMO, the 91-93 triangle. Absolutely NOT the Lakers triangle though.

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  • #595381
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    raybeas
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    or utahs pick and roll. maybe bob knights motion offense. or just keep lebron and wade from jackin up threes.

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  • #595404
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    raybeas
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    or utahs pick and roll. maybe bob knights motion offense. or just keep lebron and wade from jackin up threes.

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  • #594931
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    raybeas
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    or utahs pick and roll. maybe bob knights motion offense. or just keep lebron and wade from jackin up threes.

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  • #595508
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    I think the triangle would work but no offense would work if LeBron and Wade
    can’t hit open jump shots. The triangle would work if LeBron had a post game which
    he does not have. The Heat would still have to figure out who the alpha dog is — Wade or
    LeBron. The alpha dog in other triangles have been Jordan and Kobe. Would LeBron be content
    to be the Scottie Pippen or Lamar Odom.

    If the Heat ran the triangle I think they would get back to the Finals. But, Dallas will still have Dirk and
    still be deeper. If the Lakers went to the Finals they would be better at running the triangle and they would
    know how to defend it.

    The Heat’s main problem is figuring out who the go-to guy is. They also need to figure out how to get
    Wade and LeBron to complement each other. Running the triangle might help them with that, or it
    might not.

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  • #595530
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    I think the triangle would work but no offense would work if LeBron and Wade
    can’t hit open jump shots. The triangle would work if LeBron had a post game which
    he does not have. The Heat would still have to figure out who the alpha dog is — Wade or
    LeBron. The alpha dog in other triangles have been Jordan and Kobe. Would LeBron be content
    to be the Scottie Pippen or Lamar Odom.

    If the Heat ran the triangle I think they would get back to the Finals. But, Dallas will still have Dirk and
    still be deeper. If the Lakers went to the Finals they would be better at running the triangle and they would
    know how to defend it.

    The Heat’s main problem is figuring out who the go-to guy is. They also need to figure out how to get
    Wade and LeBron to complement each other. Running the triangle might help them with that, or it
    might not.

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  • #595056
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    I think the triangle would work but no offense would work if LeBron and Wade
    can’t hit open jump shots. The triangle would work if LeBron had a post game which
    he does not have. The Heat would still have to figure out who the alpha dog is — Wade or
    LeBron. The alpha dog in other triangles have been Jordan and Kobe. Would LeBron be content
    to be the Scottie Pippen or Lamar Odom.

    If the Heat ran the triangle I think they would get back to the Finals. But, Dallas will still have Dirk and
    still be deeper. If the Lakers went to the Finals they would be better at running the triangle and they would
    know how to defend it.

    The Heat’s main problem is figuring out who the go-to guy is. They also need to figure out how to get
    Wade and LeBron to complement each other. Running the triangle might help them with that, or it
    might not.

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  • #595550
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    Grandmama
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    I’m not quite sure the triangle offense would work.  Neither James or Wade are good jump shooters.  I don’t know what offense would be ideal, but any offense that gives James and Wade chances to get to the basket and draw fouls should be what they run.  Those two should get to the rim at will on every possession and keep their opponents in constant foul trouble.

     

    In all honesty, I think Lebron should run point.  The main reason is his court vision.  Aside from Steve Nash and Chris Paul, Lebron has the best court vision in the league.  He is constantly compared to Magic Johnson, and wouldn’t you know, Magic played point.  Lebron is obviously a lot more athletic than Magic, but their skill set is very similar.  Magic made everyone around him better, and he did that running the team with the ball in his hands.  With Lebron at point he will be able to create for his teammates and make everyone around him better.  He can still look to score and should look to score, but he shouldn’t be looking to jack up mid-range jumpers and contested 3’s like he does.  That isn’t his game.  His game is creating for others, getting to the rim and using his amazing size and athleticism to draw contact while finishing or getting to the line.

     

    Another reason for Lebron to run point is to create mismatches for their opponents on both offense and defense, particularly because of their size and athleticism.  Offensively the opposing PG will have to guard someone much bigger and that creates problems.  Defensively their size and quickness will be overwhelming (although their defense is already great so they don’t need to get much better there).

     

    Call me crazy or give me negatives, but Lebron should run point.  Like Magic, he makes everyone around him better with his amazing court vision and passing ability.  Utilize those attributes with him at PG.

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  • #595572
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    Grandmama
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    I’m not quite sure the triangle offense would work.  Neither James or Wade are good jump shooters.  I don’t know what offense would be ideal, but any offense that gives James and Wade chances to get to the basket and draw fouls should be what they run.  Those two should get to the rim at will on every possession and keep their opponents in constant foul trouble.

     

    In all honesty, I think Lebron should run point.  The main reason is his court vision.  Aside from Steve Nash and Chris Paul, Lebron has the best court vision in the league.  He is constantly compared to Magic Johnson, and wouldn’t you know, Magic played point.  Lebron is obviously a lot more athletic than Magic, but their skill set is very similar.  Magic made everyone around him better, and he did that running the team with the ball in his hands.  With Lebron at point he will be able to create for his teammates and make everyone around him better.  He can still look to score and should look to score, but he shouldn’t be looking to jack up mid-range jumpers and contested 3’s like he does.  That isn’t his game.  His game is creating for others, getting to the rim and using his amazing size and athleticism to draw contact while finishing or getting to the line.

     

    Another reason for Lebron to run point is to create mismatches for their opponents on both offense and defense, particularly because of their size and athleticism.  Offensively the opposing PG will have to guard someone much bigger and that creates problems.  Defensively their size and quickness will be overwhelming (although their defense is already great so they don’t need to get much better there).

     

    Call me crazy or give me negatives, but Lebron should run point.  Like Magic, he makes everyone around him better with his amazing court vision and passing ability.  Utilize those attributes with him at PG.

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  • #595099
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    Grandmama
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    I’m not quite sure the triangle offense would work.  Neither James or Wade are good jump shooters.  I don’t know what offense would be ideal, but any offense that gives James and Wade chances to get to the basket and draw fouls should be what they run.  Those two should get to the rim at will on every possession and keep their opponents in constant foul trouble.

     

    In all honesty, I think Lebron should run point.  The main reason is his court vision.  Aside from Steve Nash and Chris Paul, Lebron has the best court vision in the league.  He is constantly compared to Magic Johnson, and wouldn’t you know, Magic played point.  Lebron is obviously a lot more athletic than Magic, but their skill set is very similar.  Magic made everyone around him better, and he did that running the team with the ball in his hands.  With Lebron at point he will be able to create for his teammates and make everyone around him better.  He can still look to score and should look to score, but he shouldn’t be looking to jack up mid-range jumpers and contested 3’s like he does.  That isn’t his game.  His game is creating for others, getting to the rim and using his amazing size and athleticism to draw contact while finishing or getting to the line.

     

    Another reason for Lebron to run point is to create mismatches for their opponents on both offense and defense, particularly because of their size and athleticism.  Offensively the opposing PG will have to guard someone much bigger and that creates problems.  Defensively their size and quickness will be overwhelming (although their defense is already great so they don’t need to get much better there).

     

    Call me crazy or give me negatives, but Lebron should run point.  Like Magic, he makes everyone around him better with his amazing court vision and passing ability.  Utilize those attributes with him at PG.

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  • #595568
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    iminipanda
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    No Phil Jackson…No triangle.

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  • #595590
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    iminipanda
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    No Phil Jackson…No triangle.

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  • #595117
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    iminipanda
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    No Phil Jackson…No triangle.

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  • #595224
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    Jlv2011

    they need not worry anymore.

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  • #595675
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    Jlv2011

    they need not worry anymore.

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  • #595698
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    Jlv2011

    they need not worry anymore.

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  • #595729
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    No Kareem = No 5 championships for Magic.

    LeBron and Wade don’t complement each other that well.
    Neither are great shooters and they both need the ball in their hands.

    They will be a legit contender to win the title whenever play resumes, but
    they are not the odds-on favorite.

    The way to defend the Heat is to let LeBron and Wade shoot jumpers, deny the fastbreak, control the boards, put a physical defender on Bosh, and play tough D on their top 3 point shooter
    on the court.

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  • #595752
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    No Kareem = No 5 championships for Magic.

    LeBron and Wade don’t complement each other that well.
    Neither are great shooters and they both need the ball in their hands.

    They will be a legit contender to win the title whenever play resumes, but
    they are not the odds-on favorite.

    The way to defend the Heat is to let LeBron and Wade shoot jumpers, deny the fastbreak, control the boards, put a physical defender on Bosh, and play tough D on their top 3 point shooter
    on the court.

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  • #595280
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    No Kareem = No 5 championships for Magic.

    LeBron and Wade don’t complement each other that well.
    Neither are great shooters and they both need the ball in their hands.

    They will be a legit contender to win the title whenever play resumes, but
    they are not the odds-on favorite.

    The way to defend the Heat is to let LeBron and Wade shoot jumpers, deny the fastbreak, control the boards, put a physical defender on Bosh, and play tough D on their top 3 point shooter
    on the court.

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  • #595754
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    Bmore_DC
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    theres nothing wrong with the Heat…last year was their first year together GTFO

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  • #595776
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    Bmore_DC
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    theres nothing wrong with the Heat…last year was their first year together GTFO

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  • #595302
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    Bmore_DC
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    theres nothing wrong with the Heat…last year was their first year together GTFO

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  • #595820
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    iguapops420
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     Neither Jordan or Pippen were very good shooters between 91-93. They got by simply on iso triangle using the athleticism to cut to the basket off of each other and creating fastbreak opportunities often competing against one another to see who would get more points off of turnovers at the end of each game. Personally, I think they could play the 91-93 Bulls triangle quite well. Shooters around athletes who cut to the basket off of eachother. In theory it could work. Haslem plays quite similar to Grant with less athleticism, as Bosh could actually play the Grant role also, but at times could play similar to Kukoc during the 96-98 title run. 

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  • #595842
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     Neither Jordan or Pippen were very good shooters between 91-93. They got by simply on iso triangle using the athleticism to cut to the basket off of each other and creating fastbreak opportunities often competing against one another to see who would get more points off of turnovers at the end of each game. Personally, I think they could play the 91-93 Bulls triangle quite well. Shooters around athletes who cut to the basket off of eachother. In theory it could work. Haslem plays quite similar to Grant with less athleticism, as Bosh could actually play the Grant role also, but at times could play similar to Kukoc during the 96-98 title run. 

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  • #595370
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    iguapops420
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     Neither Jordan or Pippen were very good shooters between 91-93. They got by simply on iso triangle using the athleticism to cut to the basket off of each other and creating fastbreak opportunities often competing against one another to see who would get more points off of turnovers at the end of each game. Personally, I think they could play the 91-93 Bulls triangle quite well. Shooters around athletes who cut to the basket off of eachother. In theory it could work. Haslem plays quite similar to Grant with less athleticism, as Bosh could actually play the Grant role also, but at times could play similar to Kukoc during the 96-98 title run. 

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  • #596522
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    Playing the triangle would be an adjustment for LeBron and Wade because they’re primarily isolation players who are best with the ball in their hands. They’re not like MJ and Pippen who both understood the fundamentals of the game… Cutting, moving without the ball, posting up, etc, etc. From a passing standpoint, I think LeBron and Wade would be amazing in the triangle though. Especially LeBron.

    To be honest… The Heat don’t really need the triangle. LeBron and Wade both just need to make a committment to becoming more consistent jumpshooters and learning the simple fundamentals of playing/moving without the ball and posting up. IF they do that, I think they can bring in a point guard who can actually get them the ball and Spoelstra can install a more motion friendly offense. Giving the ball to Wade and LeBron, and letting them isolate gets stale, PLUS it alienates Bosh. And I don’t care what anybody says… Bosh can play his ass off.

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  • #596552
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    Playing the triangle would be an adjustment for LeBron and Wade because they’re primarily isolation players who are best with the ball in their hands. They’re not like MJ and Pippen who both understood the fundamentals of the game… Cutting, moving without the ball, posting up, etc, etc. From a passing standpoint, I think LeBron and Wade would be amazing in the triangle though. Especially LeBron.

    To be honest… The Heat don’t really need the triangle. LeBron and Wade both just need to make a committment to becoming more consistent jumpshooters and learning the simple fundamentals of playing/moving without the ball and posting up. IF they do that, I think they can bring in a point guard who can actually get them the ball and Spoelstra can install a more motion friendly offense. Giving the ball to Wade and LeBron, and letting them isolate gets stale, PLUS it alienates Bosh. And I don’t care what anybody says… Bosh can play his ass off.

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  • #596079
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    Playing the triangle would be an adjustment for LeBron and Wade because they’re primarily isolation players who are best with the ball in their hands. They’re not like MJ and Pippen who both understood the fundamentals of the game… Cutting, moving without the ball, posting up, etc, etc. From a passing standpoint, I think LeBron and Wade would be amazing in the triangle though. Especially LeBron.

    To be honest… The Heat don’t really need the triangle. LeBron and Wade both just need to make a committment to becoming more consistent jumpshooters and learning the simple fundamentals of playing/moving without the ball and posting up. IF they do that, I think they can bring in a point guard who can actually get them the ball and Spoelstra can install a more motion friendly offense. Giving the ball to Wade and LeBron, and letting them isolate gets stale, PLUS it alienates Bosh. And I don’t care what anybody says… Bosh can play his ass off.

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