HOF Candidates 1.2

Kevin Durant

What has he accomplished

• Two time scoring champ
• Led the Thunder to an unexpected breakout season, one year after winning only 43 games in his first two years combined
• 2 all-star games
• 2 all-nba first teams
• Rookie of the year
• Won Gold in 2010 World Basketball Championships as thee leader of the team
• 2006-2007 College Basketball Player of the Year

What will seal the deal

• Keeping up this play till he is 30
• Winning a championship(s) with the same core of Thunder players
• Developing a post game (Don’t dissapoint me the way Lebron has)
• Staying in OKC

Career negatives

• Can’t find one unless you want to start nitpicking.

I just hope he stays healthy, and that he and Westbrook continue to have success.

Kevin Durant

What has he accomplished

• Two time scoring champ
• Led the Thunder to an unexpected breakout season, one year after winning only 43 games in his first two years combined
• 2 all-star games
• 2 all-nba first teams
• Rookie of the year
• Won Gold in 2010 World Basketball Championships as thee leader of the team
• 2006-2007 College Basketball Player of the Year

What will seal the deal

• Keeping up this play till he is 30
• Winning a championship(s) with the same core of Thunder players
• Developing a post game (Don’t dissapoint me the way Lebron has)
• Staying in OKC

Career negatives

• Can’t find one unless you want to start nitpicking.

I just hope he stays healthy, and that he and Westbrook continue to have success.

Dwight Howard

What he has accomplished

• 3 Time Defensive Player of the Year
• 5 All-Star apperances
• 5 All-NBA teams(4 first teams, 1 third team)
• Top 5 in MVP Shares for 4 years running.
• 3 Time league leader in rebounds per game
• 5 time league leader in total rebounds
• 90th all time in total rebounds
• Keeping up the same rate for 10 more years, he will third all time in rebounds
• 2 time league leader in blocks per game and Total blocks
• If he keeps up the samme block rate for 11 more years, he will be the all time leader

What will seal the deal

• A Championship in Orlando
• Elite play for 4-5 more years
• Continuing to expand his offensive game

What will he be remembered for

• His athleticism
• His funny personality
• His domination in the post

Career Negatives

• At times people say he leaves a lot on the table
• Maybe a little too easy going
• Doesn’t demand the ball somtimes
• Foul trouble
• His dismal free throw shooting

Dwight Howard

What he has accomplished

• 3 Time Defensive Player of the Year
• 5 All-Star apperances
• 5 All-NBA teams(4 first teams, 1 third team)
• Top 5 in MVP Shares for 4 years running.
• 3 Time league leader in rebounds per game
• 5 time league leader in total rebounds
• 90th all time in total rebounds
• Keeping up the same rate for 10 more years, he will third all time in rebounds
• 2 time league leader in blocks per game and Total blocks
• If he keeps up the samme block rate for 11 more years, he will be the all time leader

What will seal the deal

• A Championship in Orlando
• Elite play for 4-5 more years
• Continuing to expand his offensive game

What will he be remembered for

• His athleticism
• His funny personality
• His domination in the post

Career Negatives

• At times people say he leaves a lot on the table
• Maybe a little too easy going
• Doesn’t demand the ball somtimes
• Foul trouble
• His dismal free throw shooting

How does his resume compute?

How does his resume compute?

He is already in the College Hall of Fame.

He is already in the College Hall of Fame.

Christian Laettner is not a Hall of Famer. His NBA career made sure of that. He will be the only player on Dream Team not to make it, and deservedly so. His NBA career does not justify his being selected into the Basketball Hall of Fame, even with his considerable accomplishments in college and his being the 12th man on the Dream Team, a team he was a part of that was indeed inducted. Christian, however, was a one time All-Star who averaged 12.8 and 6.7 for his career. He was never considered a top player on his team or a worthwhile contributor on a serious contending team. The College Basketball Hall of Fame should definitely be a place where he is honored, but I do not think he is even close to the level of the people I mention as being worthwhile HOF inductees from the 1992 draft until current day.

Christian Laettner is not a Hall of Famer. His NBA career made sure of that. He will be the only player on Dream Team not to make it, and deservedly so. His NBA career does not justify his being selected into the Basketball Hall of Fame, even with his considerable accomplishments in college and his being the 12th man on the Dream Team, a team he was a part of that was indeed inducted. Christian, however, was a one time All-Star who averaged 12.8 and 6.7 for his career. He was never considered a top player on his team or a worthwhile contributor on a serious contending team. The College Basketball Hall of Fame should definitely be a place where he is honored, but I do not think he is even close to the level of the people I mention as being worthwhile HOF inductees from the 1992 draft until current day.

Yeah, I was thinking the same as MikeyV, no way in hell should he make it. Look at his career as a whole, adn he just isn’t worthy of a place in the hall. One all star game, no all-nba teams, all rookie first team, and that is it. His best years spanned over a span of 4 years where he got at least 16 and 7, and got no more than 18 and 9.

He got 18 and 9 just twice, 16 and 7 twice, and other than that, he cracked 6 boards once, and double figures just twice, never averaging more than 13 after his first 4 years, HELL NO!

Basketball Reference ranks him with the 427th best probability to make it into the Hall, at 0.001% and i think they were being generous.

We will induce thousands of injury riddled players like Grant Hill and tracy McGrady before we ever induct a player like Laettner.

I know they look at his basketball career as a whole, but just by a couple good collegiate years and a spot on the bench on the dream team, doesn’t get you into the Hall.

Yeah, I was thinking the same as MikeyV, no way in hell should he make it. Look at his career as a whole, adn he just isn’t worthy of a place in the hall. One all star game, no all-nba teams, all rookie first team, and that is it. His best years spanned over a span of 4 years where he got at least 16 and 7, and got no more than 18 and 9.

He got 18 and 9 just twice, 16 and 7 twice, and other than that, he cracked 6 boards once, and double figures just twice, never averaging more than 13 after his first 4 years, HELL NO!

Basketball Reference ranks him with the 427th best probability to make it into the Hall, at 0.001% and i think they were being generous.

We will induce thousands of injury riddled players like Grant Hill and tracy McGrady before we ever induct a player like Laettner.

I know they look at his basketball career as a whole, but just by a couple good collegiate years and a spot on the bench on the dream team, doesn’t get you into the Hall.

I know the guy seems like a prick, but I would think his college resume puts him as one of the greatest college basketball players of all time. It’s not the NBA hall of fame, which NBA reference projects NBA stats into likelihood of getting into the hall of fame. He wouldn’t be the only guy to make it in based on college career, it’s just that guys that have as dominate college careers as he did, tend to have some pretty nice NBA success, but not all.

I know the guy seems like a prick, but I would think his college resume puts him as one of the greatest college basketball players of all time. It’s not the NBA hall of fame, which NBA reference projects NBA stats into likelihood of getting into the hall of fame. He wouldn’t be the only guy to make it in based on college career, it’s just that guys that have as dominate college careers as he did, tend to have some pretty nice NBA success, but not all.

I think you are looking at things the wrong way as far as from a "HOF %" on basketball reference is concerned. The fact is, Sabonis had a DOMINANT International and Professional career. He won medals and titles as the catalyst of his team. The fact is, as awesome as college basketball is, I do not think you could measure it over winning titles Internationally or in Europe. Also, Sabonis was 30 by the time he came to the NBA, and as he had been playing professionally 13 years before than, his case was already pretty damn solid.

I do not at all think you HAVE to be in the NBA to be in the Hall of Fame. Here is a guy I believe will have much more of a chance than Laettner who never set foot on a NBA floor:

Go to wikipedia and look up "Oscar Schmidt". He was a fantastic Brazilian basketball player who never stepped foot on an NBA floor. He scored over 49,000 points professionally, and had a strong game against the Dream Team in the 1992 Olympics. Apparently wikipedia is considered SPAM on here.

The fact is, Christian Laettner was a fantastic college basketball player and as I said, he definitely deserves to be in the College Basketball Hall of Fame (or College Sports Hall of Fame, which ever he was inducted to). But, the important competitions internationally are the World Championships and the Olympics, so wipe out all of those other medals. Not to mention, if you are playing for Team USA, I feel anything less than Gold is kind of disappointing. The Dream Team was amazing, but Laettner was a complete afterthought. If he had a successful NBA career (or at least more successful), he may not have been, but he was very average.

Look at the players who have been inducted, and tell me how Christian Laettner fits in. Especially in current times, where a player like Reggie Miller (a DEFINITE Hall of Famer), did not even make the Final Cuts for induction:

Go to wikipedia and look up Naismith Hall of Fame, and look up, "Players Inducted". The spam filter has triggered me as being lexter wolf apparently, after over 2500 posts.

These guys have accomplished a lot. The international players who have made it had AMAZING international careers and were dominant. Christian Laettner was a FANTASTIC college player. It has nothing to do with hating or liking him, but his accomplishments outside of his college career, even being associated with the greatest basketball team possibly ever assembled, are not Hall of Fame worthy. I see little way of him ever being inducted as a player, and I think the cases being made for his induction are really weak.

I think you are looking at things the wrong way as far as from a "HOF %" on basketball reference is concerned. The fact is, Sabonis had a DOMINANT International and Professional career. He won medals and titles as the catalyst of his team. The fact is, as awesome as college basketball is, I do not think you could measure it over winning titles Internationally or in Europe. Also, Sabonis was 30 by the time he came to the NBA, and as he had been playing professionally 13 years before than, his case was already pretty damn solid.

I do not at all think you HAVE to be in the NBA to be in the Hall of Fame. Here is a guy I believe will have much more of a chance than Laettner who never set foot on a NBA floor:

Go to wikipedia and look up "Oscar Schmidt". He was a fantastic Brazilian basketball player who never stepped foot on an NBA floor. He scored over 49,000 points professionally, and had a strong game against the Dream Team in the 1992 Olympics. Apparently wikipedia is considered SPAM on here.

The fact is, Christian Laettner was a fantastic college basketball player and as I said, he definitely deserves to be in the College Basketball Hall of Fame (or College Sports Hall of Fame, which ever he was inducted to). But, the important competitions internationally are the World Championships and the Olympics, so wipe out all of those other medals. Not to mention, if you are playing for Team USA, I feel anything less than Gold is kind of disappointing. The Dream Team was amazing, but Laettner was a complete afterthought. If he had a successful NBA career (or at least more successful), he may not have been, but he was very average.

Look at the players who have been inducted, and tell me how Christian Laettner fits in. Especially in current times, where a player like Reggie Miller (a DEFINITE Hall of Famer), did not even make the Final Cuts for induction:

Go to wikipedia and look up Naismith Hall of Fame, and look up, "Players Inducted". The spam filter has triggered me as being lexter wolf apparently, after over 2500 posts.

These guys have accomplished a lot. The international players who have made it had AMAZING international careers and were dominant. Christian Laettner was a FANTASTIC college player. It has nothing to do with hating or liking him, but his accomplishments outside of his college career, even being associated with the greatest basketball team possibly ever assembled, are not Hall of Fame worthy. I see little way of him ever being inducted as a player, and I think the cases being made for his induction are really weak.

I completely agree with Mikey V. A couple great college years should not warrent you a place in the Hall. Does that mean if JJ Redick makes the olympic team to be spotup shooter and wins the gold, does that mean he should make the Hall, definately not. If you even consider his college years to be NBA years, he still wouldn’t be close, and as far as the olympic team is concerned, I don’t even think he contributed much, if anything.

He deserves to be an all time college great, but does that mean we take all great college guys into the Hall? NO! What about Marcus Fizer, or Adam Morrison, guys like that?

So I don’t even think  Laettner should even be close to getting nominated, period.

I completely agree with Mikey V. A couple great college years should not warrent you a place in the Hall. Does that mean if JJ Redick makes the olympic team to be spotup shooter and wins the gold, does that mean he should make the Hall, definately not. If you even consider his college years to be NBA years, he still wouldn’t be close, and as far as the olympic team is concerned, I don’t even think he contributed much, if anything.

He deserves to be an all time college great, but does that mean we take all great college guys into the Hall? NO! What about Marcus Fizer, or Adam Morrison, guys like that?

So I don’t even think  Laettner should even be close to getting nominated, period.

 Chris Paul has never asked for a trade

 Chris Paul has never asked for a trade

Hey Surve, do you mind if we make a thread about Vince Carter’s chances, cause this thread is just about dead.

Hey Surve, do you mind if we make a thread about Vince Carter’s chances, cause this thread is just about dead.

Look at the list of Hall of Famers and tell me who got in on bias. Please do, and tell me which person you feel leads you to believe Christian Laettner will get in on "bias". He hasn’t yet, and there are MANY more deserving candidates who are sure to get in before him. Yes, he was on the Dream Team, but he was not in those other players league. Bias was the reason he was on the team in the first place, his NBA career was nowhere in the vicinity of Zo or Shaq. Not to mention that Shaq and Zo actually played ROLES on Olympic Gold Medal winning teams.

I urge you to look at the list of players (key word) selected and tell me some who Christian Laettner looks better than. LOOK at the list of players in the HOF before coming up with this theory about Laettner making it due to a "bias". Bias to what? They let in a lot of great college players with disappointing NBA careers (it was, after all) who played on an Olympic team with 11 incredible players? Yes, they do tend to sometimes give spots to players you and I may not know a lot about, but it is due to them being from a different time, and honestly I think foreign players do indeed have an advantage. I know how he got on the Dream Team, and it should in no way mean he is a Hall of Famer just because everyone else on the team was. I guarantee you hindsight will not be as kind to Christian Laettner as it was when he had just won College Player of the Year over Shaquille O’Neal. If Team USA had any fear of their ability to compete, Shaq would have been on it. But, they took a guy who had just won two NCAA championships in a row. Should Corey Brewer and Joakim Noah make the Hall of Fame if they make the All-Star team one time? Oh, wait, they weren’t on a team that beat everyone by 50 chalk full of Hall of Famers. Get my point?

Look at the list of Hall of Famers and tell me who got in on bias. Please do, and tell me which person you feel leads you to believe Christian Laettner will get in on "bias". He hasn’t yet, and there are MANY more deserving candidates who are sure to get in before him. Yes, he was on the Dream Team, but he was not in those other players league. Bias was the reason he was on the team in the first place, his NBA career was nowhere in the vicinity of Zo or Shaq. Not to mention that Shaq and Zo actually played ROLES on Olympic Gold Medal winning teams.

I urge you to look at the list of players (key word) selected and tell me some who Christian Laettner looks better than. LOOK at the list of players in the HOF before coming up with this theory about Laettner making it due to a "bias". Bias to what? They let in a lot of great college players with disappointing NBA careers (it was, after all) who played on an Olympic team with 11 incredible players? Yes, they do tend to sometimes give spots to players you and I may not know a lot about, but it is due to them being from a different time, and honestly I think foreign players do indeed have an advantage. I know how he got on the Dream Team, and it should in no way mean he is a Hall of Famer just because everyone else on the team was. I guarantee you hindsight will not be as kind to Christian Laettner as it was when he had just won College Player of the Year over Shaquille O’Neal. If Team USA had any fear of their ability to compete, Shaq would have been on it. But, they took a guy who had just won two NCAA championships in a row. Should Corey Brewer and Joakim Noah make the Hall of Fame if they make the All-Star team one time? Oh, wait, they weren’t on a team that beat everyone by 50 chalk full of Hall of Famers. Get my point?

First off, Laettmer’s name shouldn’t even be mentioned ion a Hall Of Fame post unless we are talking about him getting dunked on, and second, he won’t even get 5% of the nomination vote. Third, I would vote Derek Fisher in over Laettner.

First off, Laettmer’s name shouldn’t even be mentioned ion a Hall Of Fame post unless we are talking about him getting dunked on, and second, he won’t even get 5% of the nomination vote. Third, I would vote Derek Fisher in over Laettner.