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- Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 8:21am #31591
CalipariParticipantI’ve got to say that perhaps the worst situation for a NBA franchise would be a perpetual state of mediocrity. There must always be a plan, and though some GMs are smarter than others (hmm Presti vs Kahn), most are knowledgeable.
Several teams come to mind when assessing this theme: The Raptors, The Bobcats, Detroit, Milwaukee, Golden State, and others. (I left off Minnesota because arguably there is no where to go but up for them) Indiana is improving I guess, among others.
I’m sure you could name other teams, but to continue on would prove pointless. The teams above might be apart in the rankings. It’s not just the bottom dwellers, but a mix of teams without a clear situation.
Certainly the Raptors and Warriors have good young talent, but not a clear plan and a defined core going forward. Yes, the Raps have several players, but outside of Derozan, Davis, and Jonas, question marks abound. (Will Bayless get the starting job and with it his first true chance to shine?) The Bobcats have finally shed some vets and acquired youth, but there are obstacles for them as well. Curry or Ellis? How will the Bucks fare without a true supersar, though Bogut is good, and locked into contracts from last season?
I guess I am just trying to get at the heart of my opinion, that it is better to tear down and reconstruct then it is to fix a leak with duct tape, for lack of a better analogy.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 8:23am #566078

ProudGrandpaParticipantBucks, Raptors and Pistons.
These are teams that have invested in a couple good, but not great players.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 8:23am #566179

ProudGrandpaParticipantBucks, Raptors and Pistons.
These are teams that have invested in a couple good, but not great players.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 9:02am #566116
sacphil_08ParticipantCompletely agree. The bucks have always floated with the 4-8 seed every year (except last and before b jennings) the warriors get 30-35 wins every year but show no signs of becoming serious for playoff contention. the raptors were never that great, they didnt build around vince carter the proper way, bosh wasnt going to get them over that hump and even with their core of players now, i still dont see them changing their mediocre ways. the pacers have been one of those sneak in teams for some time now since jermaine oneal and al harrington and those guys split up.
Basically, these teams have taken the ‘band aid’ approach. im a kings fan and although we havent always been the greatest, in the early part of the decade we began building and were in championship contention for a few years before the webber injury. we went witht the band aid method and we made it to the playoffs almost knowing that we had no chance of making noise with that group of guys. so we ‘blew it up’ drafted tyreke, demarcus cousins, now jimmer fredette, gave ourselves the most financial flexibility to put ourselves in a position to make some real noise in the years to come and i think that teams that are in this state of mediocrity need to blow it up. you may like the players youve had to allow you to consistently be in the middle of the pack, but either they arent good enough or theyre lacking in one area or another and they need to get some better players. the atlanta hawks are actually guilty of this as well. they shouldve broken that team apart or made some moves a couple seasons ago when they couldve gotten better value for their players rather than have to deal with the contract situations of joe johnson, jamal crawford, and josh smith and next year al horford.
in short, teams in mediocrity like the aforementioned teams, should either move some pieces early on i.e. okc trading jeff green for something valuable, or break their teams up when they dont see any steady improvements. that is of course unless they are interested in contending for a championship at some point in time
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 9:02am #566217
sacphil_08ParticipantCompletely agree. The bucks have always floated with the 4-8 seed every year (except last and before b jennings) the warriors get 30-35 wins every year but show no signs of becoming serious for playoff contention. the raptors were never that great, they didnt build around vince carter the proper way, bosh wasnt going to get them over that hump and even with their core of players now, i still dont see them changing their mediocre ways. the pacers have been one of those sneak in teams for some time now since jermaine oneal and al harrington and those guys split up.
Basically, these teams have taken the ‘band aid’ approach. im a kings fan and although we havent always been the greatest, in the early part of the decade we began building and were in championship contention for a few years before the webber injury. we went witht the band aid method and we made it to the playoffs almost knowing that we had no chance of making noise with that group of guys. so we ‘blew it up’ drafted tyreke, demarcus cousins, now jimmer fredette, gave ourselves the most financial flexibility to put ourselves in a position to make some real noise in the years to come and i think that teams that are in this state of mediocrity need to blow it up. you may like the players youve had to allow you to consistently be in the middle of the pack, but either they arent good enough or theyre lacking in one area or another and they need to get some better players. the atlanta hawks are actually guilty of this as well. they shouldve broken that team apart or made some moves a couple seasons ago when they couldve gotten better value for their players rather than have to deal with the contract situations of joe johnson, jamal crawford, and josh smith and next year al horford.
in short, teams in mediocrity like the aforementioned teams, should either move some pieces early on i.e. okc trading jeff green for something valuable, or break their teams up when they dont see any steady improvements. that is of course unless they are interested in contending for a championship at some point in time
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 9:15am #566126
CalipariParticipantCouldn’t agree more sacphil, the Hawks were a team I forgot to mention, but I was calling for a Smith trade both of the last two offseasons. Now their PG situation is getting messy, and Teague projects at best to be a solid starter, but hasn’t shown flashes above that. They have some contract burdens, and it just isn’t a good situation.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 9:15am #566226
CalipariParticipantCouldn’t agree more sacphil, the Hawks were a team I forgot to mention, but I was calling for a Smith trade both of the last two offseasons. Now their PG situation is getting messy, and Teague projects at best to be a solid starter, but hasn’t shown flashes above that. They have some contract burdens, and it just isn’t a good situation.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 10:16am #566316
Memphis MadnessParticipantOklahoma City was fortunate to get Kevin Durant at 2. Guys like that don’t come around much, and when they do they usually get drafted first. KD gives the Thunder a chance to be legit contenders which they are now after some good drafts (Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden) and a solid move to trade Jeff Green into Kendrick Perkins. The Thunder lucked out but they still are putting a better team around Durant than the Cavs did around LeBron, so Sam Presti needs to get a ton of credit.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 10:16am #566214
Memphis MadnessParticipantOklahoma City was fortunate to get Kevin Durant at 2. Guys like that don’t come around much, and when they do they usually get drafted first. KD gives the Thunder a chance to be legit contenders which they are now after some good drafts (Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden) and a solid move to trade Jeff Green into Kendrick Perkins. The Thunder lucked out but they still are putting a better team around Durant than the Cavs did around LeBron, so Sam Presti needs to get a ton of credit.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 11:23am #566304
Mr. JewboyParticipantthe bulls were also stuck in mediocrity then, with 1.7%, got the #1 pick which happened to be derrick rose..and now they are contenders
things happen..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/08/2011 - 11:23am #566405
Mr. JewboyParticipantthe bulls were also stuck in mediocrity then, with 1.7%, got the #1 pick which happened to be derrick rose..and now they are contenders
things happen..
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