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  • #31548
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    Calipari
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    The Cavs got two talented players in this year’s draft, but the questions still linger. Some advocated the Williams/Knight position, but I was against it with 2012s forward-heavy draft. However, I was completely shocked by the Thompson pick. An undersized power forward with a raw offensive game, though he is a high character guy with a team attitude. Furthermore, they dealt Hickson to Sacramento for Casspi and a pick they won’t see for the foreseeable future, until when the Kings are likely a playoff team. Personally, if I’m Chris Grant I take Irving and Valancunias. Solid PG who you can count on for a decade, he’s a great kid and can be mentored by Byron Scott. So what if Jonas spends a year in Europe? Cavs aren’t winning more than 35games next year. (And I say 35 in an optimistic state). Also, no sense in dealing Hickson, unless top value is coming in return. If he pans out then your looking at Valancunias, Hickson, 2012 forward, and Irving as a solid core.

    By no means are the Cavs messing up their rebuild, but they easily could’ve taken a different approach.

    Thoughts on the franchise’s future, draft choices, trade options, and prospects for success?

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  • #565027
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    drk3351
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     i agree except in the east, 35 wins might make the playoffs, which wont happen to the cavs. they didn’t improve there roster THAT much.

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  • #565122
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    drk3351
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     i agree except in the east, 35 wins might make the playoffs, which wont happen to the cavs. they didn’t improve there roster THAT much.

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  • #565033
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    Ya, I’d say they don’t actually get more than 30.

    The 2011 season checklist goes like this:

    Turn Jamison into valuable assets

    Further development of young players

    Give Byron Scott some peace of mind, considering his predecessor now has his supposed dream job

    See what the market looks like for Gibson and or Sessions, guys that can be turned into picks and assets

    Exhaust every possible option/opportunity to rid themselves of Baron Davis

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  • #565129
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    Ya, I’d say they don’t actually get more than 30.

    The 2011 season checklist goes like this:

    Turn Jamison into valuable assets

    Further development of young players

    Give Byron Scott some peace of mind, considering his predecessor now has his supposed dream job

    See what the market looks like for Gibson and or Sessions, guys that can be turned into picks and assets

    Exhaust every possible option/opportunity to rid themselves of Baron Davis

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  • #565043
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    Jlv2011

    in Cleveland is a great addition for the team.

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  • #565139
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    Jlv2011

    in Cleveland is a great addition for the team.

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  • #565055
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    I think Thompson will end up being a solid 12pts, 6reb, 2blk per game type player. He is a very good defender, a good rebounder, and just needs help with his shooting mechanics, and i think he will be a very good player. There is no question though that he needs to polish his all around game.

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  • #565151
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    JBrace19
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    I think Thompson will end up being a solid 12pts, 6reb, 2blk per game type player. He is a very good defender, a good rebounder, and just needs help with his shooting mechanics, and i think he will be a very good player. There is no question though that he needs to polish his all around game.

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  • #565119
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    kevnix5
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    I think Thompson can turn into a very good post defender in the NBA if brought along properly. He will never set the world on fire with his scoring but as long as he finishes around the rim and improves at the FT line he should be alright. Irving obviously has the opportunity to be a major building block for this team and hopefully for the Cavs he can stay healthy because I think that is the only thing that can hold him back from being a top 10 NBA PG. The future in Cleveland may not be as bright as it once was but they are turning the corner quicker than other teams in the same position (Toronto)

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  • #565215
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    I think Thompson can turn into a very good post defender in the NBA if brought along properly. He will never set the world on fire with his scoring but as long as he finishes around the rim and improves at the FT line he should be alright. Irving obviously has the opportunity to be a major building block for this team and hopefully for the Cavs he can stay healthy because I think that is the only thing that can hold him back from being a top 10 NBA PG. The future in Cleveland may not be as bright as it once was but they are turning the corner quicker than other teams in the same position (Toronto)

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  • #565146
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     I think they should have drafted Jonas because of those forwards next year in the draft will all be great.So once you get your rebounder and facilitator you can add scoreres and have a complete team and Barnes would fit perfect and then if they could maybe trade Jamison or Varajeo for a late lottery pick the could draft maybe Austin Rivers and then 2 seasons from now there line up could have looked like this

    Pg-Kyrie Irving

    Sg-Austin Rivers

    Sf-Harrison Barnes

    Pf-J.J Hickson

    C-Jonas Valanciunas

    Now thats a big improvement in 2 years

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  • #565243
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    rileymcshea3
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     I think they should have drafted Jonas because of those forwards next year in the draft will all be great.So once you get your rebounder and facilitator you can add scoreres and have a complete team and Barnes would fit perfect and then if they could maybe trade Jamison or Varajeo for a late lottery pick the could draft maybe Austin Rivers and then 2 seasons from now there line up could have looked like this

    Pg-Kyrie Irving

    Sg-Austin Rivers

    Sf-Harrison Barnes

    Pf-J.J Hickson

    C-Jonas Valanciunas

    Now thats a big improvement in 2 years

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  • #565261
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    BasterdInABasket
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    Nobodys gonna trade a lottery pick in maybe the best class in history for Anderson Varajao Jamison

    And why are you talking about Jonas V and Hickson???

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  • #565164
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    BasterdInABasket
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    Nobodys gonna trade a lottery pick in maybe the best class in history for Anderson Varajao Jamison

    And why are you talking about Jonas V and Hickson???

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  • #565280
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    I was supremely disapointed by the Cavs no drafting Williams but applauded them when they had the insight to take Tristan Thompson.

    Tristan Thompson is the perfect compliment for Kyrie both on and off the court personality wise as I can see them both reading Confuscious before the games.  But also Thompson played monster defense on Kanter in a workout so they invited him back to go one on one with Derrick Williams where it was reported that Thompson was the most impressive player on the court.  There like a 10 game stretch towards the end of Texas season where they went 8-2 and Thompson averaged around 18, 12, and 3 blocks as a freshman.

     If Thompson would of returned for his sophomore year he would of no doubt Amare Stoudemired college basketball.  Thompson was was considered the number one prospect in this class so it’s not like he don’t have the ceiling.

     I view Thompson as a Kenyon  Martin type of player in the league and remember how much success Scott had wit Kidd and Martin?  He can get his Kittles and Jefferson next year.  

    Tho  the Hickson trade boggled my mind it made no sense.  

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  • #565183
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    Mr. 19134
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    I was supremely disapointed by the Cavs no drafting Williams but applauded them when they had the insight to take Tristan Thompson.

    Tristan Thompson is the perfect compliment for Kyrie both on and off the court personality wise as I can see them both reading Confuscious before the games.  But also Thompson played monster defense on Kanter in a workout so they invited him back to go one on one with Derrick Williams where it was reported that Thompson was the most impressive player on the court.  There like a 10 game stretch towards the end of Texas season where they went 8-2 and Thompson averaged around 18, 12, and 3 blocks as a freshman.

     If Thompson would of returned for his sophomore year he would of no doubt Amare Stoudemired college basketball.  Thompson was was considered the number one prospect in this class so it’s not like he don’t have the ceiling.

     I view Thompson as a Kenyon  Martin type of player in the league and remember how much success Scott had wit Kidd and Martin?  He can get his Kittles and Jefferson next year.  

    Tho  the Hickson trade boggled my mind it made no sense.  

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  • #565283
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    JaeEvolution
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    I wasn’t thrilled with the way the Cavs went I like the Irving pick because a good PG is the glue to any good franchise. I don’t however see the comparisons to Paul that all these broadcasters and announcers want to give him, I see him being more Mike Conley with a better shooting stroke than CP3 and I will be impressed if he does have even close to CP3 Rookie year stats.

    As for Thompson I was not happy with this pick I see Taj Gibson in Tristan Thompson and he went 26th two years ago. Their college stat lines are almost identical, but people say Thompson will come into his scoring in the NBA. Maybe that is true because he is on the Cavs and will play with Irving getting him easy points but early in his career I think he will be much more like Taj and make his impact on the defensive end.

    I would’ve went with Valancuinas with the 4th pick and I think in a few years when we look back at Thompson and Valancuinas and who the Cavs should have selected it will be quite clear who is the better player.

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  • #565187
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    JaeEvolution
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    I wasn’t thrilled with the way the Cavs went I like the Irving pick because a good PG is the glue to any good franchise. I don’t however see the comparisons to Paul that all these broadcasters and announcers want to give him, I see him being more Mike Conley with a better shooting stroke than CP3 and I will be impressed if he does have even close to CP3 Rookie year stats.

    As for Thompson I was not happy with this pick I see Taj Gibson in Tristan Thompson and he went 26th two years ago. Their college stat lines are almost identical, but people say Thompson will come into his scoring in the NBA. Maybe that is true because he is on the Cavs and will play with Irving getting him easy points but early in his career I think he will be much more like Taj and make his impact on the defensive end.

    I would’ve went with Valancuinas with the 4th pick and I think in a few years when we look back at Thompson and Valancuinas and who the Cavs should have selected it will be quite clear who is the better player.

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  • #565288
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    BasterdInABasket
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    2012 Harrison Barnes would be a great fit for CLE as a 1A-B scorer. Obviously if Drummond is eligible and available they couldnt pass up on him but its unlikely they get the top pick again. They would need more post scoring too with Varajeo and Thompson as their only 2 bigs locked up past this year but it still should be BPA for next draft (obviously not pg though).

    They wont have money to spend this FA (whenever that happens) but they should have plenty in the two years follwoing that. You know the gm is going to try to do the ‘win now’ approach to save his own @SS but if theyre smart they shouldnt weigh themselves down with long contracts on middle of the road players (like what MIL did with Salmons and Gooden last year). IDK what the FA classes will look like other than Dwight, Deron and Paul, after this years but if managed correctly they could make a run for a bigger name. Of course CLE isnt a prime FA destination so they could go the route of trading for a star to using Varejao or Baron’s huge contract and other pieces.

    LOTS of work to do but theyll have the cap room and another good draft pick to build with.

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  • #565190
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    2012 Harrison Barnes would be a great fit for CLE as a 1A-B scorer. Obviously if Drummond is eligible and available they couldnt pass up on him but its unlikely they get the top pick again. They would need more post scoring too with Varajeo and Thompson as their only 2 bigs locked up past this year but it still should be BPA for next draft (obviously not pg though).

    They wont have money to spend this FA (whenever that happens) but they should have plenty in the two years follwoing that. You know the gm is going to try to do the ‘win now’ approach to save his own @SS but if theyre smart they shouldnt weigh themselves down with long contracts on middle of the road players (like what MIL did with Salmons and Gooden last year). IDK what the FA classes will look like other than Dwight, Deron and Paul, after this years but if managed correctly they could make a run for a bigger name. Of course CLE isnt a prime FA destination so they could go the route of trading for a star to using Varejao or Baron’s huge contract and other pieces.

    LOTS of work to do but theyll have the cap room and another good draft pick to build with.

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  • #565326
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    Calipari
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    The Nets comparison caused my stomach to turn, lol he can get his Kerrry Kittles in the one of the most stacked draft classes in recent history.

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  • #565228
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    Calipari
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    The Nets comparison caused my stomach to turn, lol he can get his Kerrry Kittles in the one of the most stacked draft classes in recent history.

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  • #565338
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    Calipari
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    Really, it’s the 1 and 5 that are the essential building blocks for a team. The Cavs had the opportunity to acquire long-term components at each position, but instead chose a more common, albeit valuable commodity.

    Think of where the Knicks would’ve been if they had drafted Lopez over Gallinari, and Jennings over Hill, or maybe got Curry. Granted, the picks that they made played a role in assembling their current team, but free agents might as well have drooled when they walked into MSG. Can anyone imagine Lopez cleaning up the paint while Stoudemire takes care of business with dishes from Curry and Lebron or D-Wade penetrates? Unstoppable.

    Obviously this example is not feasible anymore, and Valancunias and Irving don’t necessarily compare to Lopez and Curry, but the principle remains.

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  • #565240
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    Really, it’s the 1 and 5 that are the essential building blocks for a team. The Cavs had the opportunity to acquire long-term components at each position, but instead chose a more common, albeit valuable commodity.

    Think of where the Knicks would’ve been if they had drafted Lopez over Gallinari, and Jennings over Hill, or maybe got Curry. Granted, the picks that they made played a role in assembling their current team, but free agents might as well have drooled when they walked into MSG. Can anyone imagine Lopez cleaning up the paint while Stoudemire takes care of business with dishes from Curry and Lebron or D-Wade penetrates? Unstoppable.

    Obviously this example is not feasible anymore, and Valancunias and Irving don’t necessarily compare to Lopez and Curry, but the principle remains.

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  • #565387
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    the I in win
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    Comparing Taj Gibson’s production in college to Tristan Thompson’s isn’t fair.  Taj was a bigger part of the offence at USC and he was a senior who knew all the ins and outs of college basketball from the beginning of the year.

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  • #565487
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    the I in win
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    Comparing Taj Gibson’s production in college to Tristan Thompson’s isn’t fair.  Taj was a bigger part of the offence at USC and he was a senior who knew all the ins and outs of college basketball from the beginning of the year.

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  • #565571
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    kobyz
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    you don’t look at the Tristan Thompson pick right, the Cavs didn’t turn to take a potential 1st or 2nd option, but they though long terms, they saw opportunity to attain a player who is in a mold and construct to be a perfect piece and fit for a winning minded team, the Cavs knew that this pick not that would make them the best right now but it’s type of player who will be significant at the end of the building, someone who us top level defender, has all the intangibles, complement everyone around him and make them better, has much more impact than his numbers suggest and someone that on top of that will be solid offensively…
    it was a great pick and great value at that spot in this draft, Cavs got quality 4 for the future, TT as a player will be at least like Kenyon Martin.

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  • #565470
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    kobyz
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    you don’t look at the Tristan Thompson pick right, the Cavs didn’t turn to take a potential 1st or 2nd option, but they though long terms, they saw opportunity to attain a player who is in a mold and construct to be a perfect piece and fit for a winning minded team, the Cavs knew that this pick not that would make them the best right now but it’s type of player who will be significant at the end of the building, someone who us top level defender, has all the intangibles, complement everyone around him and make them better, has much more impact than his numbers suggest and someone that on top of that will be solid offensively…
    it was a great pick and great value at that spot in this draft, Cavs got quality 4 for the future, TT as a player will be at least like Kenyon Martin.

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