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- Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:44am #31203
I May Be WrongParticipantBeen thinking about my hometown Sixers and how we can improve our roster. Even though we drafted a couple of young big men, I still feel like the Sixers need something else. I also thought about the Kings and how the recent addition of Jimmer affects that team. I personally love the idea of Jimmer/Evans backcourt because they are great compliments but I feel like there won’t be enough minutes to go around and that sucks for Marcus Thornton. Soooooooo, that got me thinking.
What if the Sixers offered Iggy and Speights and do a sign and trade for Thornton and Jason Thompson (who I feel like is in the doghouse in SAC-town). Maybe another piece would be thrown in for salary purposes but the trade would help both teams IMO.
Iggy provides another ball handler for the Kings as well as a perimeter defender and can defer to Evans, Jimmer, and Cousins for scoring. The Sixers get a young athletic big who can play center or be a terrific backup to an aging brand and get a potential 20 ppg scorer who has some freddom to get his shots.
Sacromento: Jimmer, Evans, Iggy, Speights, and Cousins make a good, young starting lineup. The bench would need help though because they have a lot of players playing the same position (Honeycutt, Casspi, Gracia, Greene)
Sixers: Jrue, Thornton, Turner, Brand, Hawes with Thompson, Thad, and Lou Williams will provide a great 8 man rotation.
Thoughs?
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:52am #556359
B-ball fanParticipantI think you overvalue Marcus Thornton and Thompson. The Sixers could get a lot more for Iggy. Thornton is a good fit, but the Sixers could get his skill set in the draft or through free agency. I’m also not sure having Iggy and Tyreke as your wings would work well, since both are ball handlers without great jump shots.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:52am #556419
B-ball fanParticipantI think you overvalue Marcus Thornton and Thompson. The Sixers could get a lot more for Iggy. Thornton is a good fit, but the Sixers could get his skill set in the draft or through free agency. I’m also not sure having Iggy and Tyreke as your wings would work well, since both are ball handlers without great jump shots.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:55am #556363
aamir543ParticipantYeah, I dont think your team, the sixers get enough back, but good framework for an idea, and realistic too.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 10:55am #556423
aamir543ParticipantYeah, I dont think your team, the sixers get enough back, but good framework for an idea, and realistic too.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:02am #556369
R-Dot-13ParticipantYou guys might be undervaluing Thornton actually.
He’s better than your making it seem. Yes, he’s not as good as Iggy.. yet, but he is a very good scorer.Last year, as a 2nd year player, in 27 games for the Kings he average over 21 ppg, and thats with Evans/Cousins etc.
Your saying you think they could get someone as good as him in the draft or free agency?
I don’t see it in the mid-late first round.But, this is one of the more realistic trade ideas ive seen around here.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:02am #556429
R-Dot-13ParticipantYou guys might be undervaluing Thornton actually.
He’s better than your making it seem. Yes, he’s not as good as Iggy.. yet, but he is a very good scorer.Last year, as a 2nd year player, in 27 games for the Kings he average over 21 ppg, and thats with Evans/Cousins etc.
Your saying you think they could get someone as good as him in the draft or free agency?
I don’t see it in the mid-late first round.But, this is one of the more realistic trade ideas ive seen around here.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:02am #556372
drk3351Participantyou forgot nikola vucivic in the sixers rotation. drafting him at 16 must mean they expect him to be their future starting center.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:02am #556433
drk3351Participantyou forgot nikola vucivic in the sixers rotation. drafting him at 16 must mean they expect him to be their future starting center.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:04am #556374
JimmeredYaWabafetParticipantIm not really sure what Speights is good at maybe he is as good as Thompson idk,but really i would pass.Tyreke does have the reach to play small forward,but they need to get rid of Salmons; that trade was fawking stupid.
How about this idea http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4yfcrjj
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:04am #556435
JimmeredYaWabafetParticipantIm not really sure what Speights is good at maybe he is as good as Thompson idk,but really i would pass.Tyreke does have the reach to play small forward,but they need to get rid of Salmons; that trade was fawking stupid.
How about this idea http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4yfcrjj
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:04am #556376
What The DevilParticipantI would do that trade in a heartbeat personally.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:04am #556437
What The DevilParticipantI would do that trade in a heartbeat personally.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:14am #556378
apb540ParticipantThe Sixers would turn this trade down. If Lou Williams wasn’t on our roster this trade would look a lot better, but they are two very very similar players. And you don’t need two undersized scoring combo guards. I would do JimmeredYaWabafet’s trade though. Getting rid of Iggy and Brand’s contracts would be incredible.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:14am #556439
apb540ParticipantThe Sixers would turn this trade down. If Lou Williams wasn’t on our roster this trade would look a lot better, but they are two very very similar players. And you don’t need two undersized scoring combo guards. I would do JimmeredYaWabafet’s trade though. Getting rid of Iggy and Brand’s contracts would be incredible.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:31am #556388
I May Be WrongParticipantthank you r-dot, exactly how I see it as well. Thornton is a scorer plain and simple. And while Iggy is clearly way better, anyone who saw the Sixers lose close games last season knew how desperate we needed a go to scorer. No offense to Kings fans but if Marcus could score 21 a game with a HORRIBLE offensive system like the Kings last season, then I would love to see what Marcus could have done with a fantastic coach like Doug Collins.
I was thinking that the Sixers might have asked for a sweetner in this deal, like a first round pick or maybe find a way to take on Brands contract but it’s too complicated so I left the trade in its simplest form.
dr3551 – didn’t forget about our pick but I honestly don’t see him makin a huge impact for us yet. Maybe 15-20 mins tops IMO
What the Devil – is that speaking from both sides or just one side? lol
JimmeredYaWabefet – no thanks man. As much as I would love some cap space, no free agent is going to a team that stinks and adding a washed up Carter would be horrible for this young team.
apb540 – Not sure if I can agree with that statement man. Lou is a solid 6th man, but honestly I can’t compare him and Marcus. Marcus is a solid 6-4 with a fantastic jumper. More importantly, he was more efficient at 45% from the field and 36% from 3’s as a King. Lou on the other hand shot under 41% all season long. Plus he’s 6’2" which makes HIM undersized, not Marcus.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:31am #556449
I May Be WrongParticipantthank you r-dot, exactly how I see it as well. Thornton is a scorer plain and simple. And while Iggy is clearly way better, anyone who saw the Sixers lose close games last season knew how desperate we needed a go to scorer. No offense to Kings fans but if Marcus could score 21 a game with a HORRIBLE offensive system like the Kings last season, then I would love to see what Marcus could have done with a fantastic coach like Doug Collins.
I was thinking that the Sixers might have asked for a sweetner in this deal, like a first round pick or maybe find a way to take on Brands contract but it’s too complicated so I left the trade in its simplest form.
dr3551 – didn’t forget about our pick but I honestly don’t see him makin a huge impact for us yet. Maybe 15-20 mins tops IMO
What the Devil – is that speaking from both sides or just one side? lol
JimmeredYaWabefet – no thanks man. As much as I would love some cap space, no free agent is going to a team that stinks and adding a washed up Carter would be horrible for this young team.
apb540 – Not sure if I can agree with that statement man. Lou is a solid 6th man, but honestly I can’t compare him and Marcus. Marcus is a solid 6-4 with a fantastic jumper. More importantly, he was more efficient at 45% from the field and 36% from 3’s as a King. Lou on the other hand shot under 41% all season long. Plus he’s 6’2" which makes HIM undersized, not Marcus.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:38am #556392
kobyzParticipantare you serious like this trade?!? Iggy has much more value than that!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:38am #556452
kobyzParticipantare you serious like this trade?!? Iggy has much more value than that!!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:39am #556398
What The DevilParticipantI was speaking from the Kings side. That would give us a good SF who plays defense. It would make me a glad panda.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:39am #556458
What The DevilParticipantI was speaking from the Kings side. That would give us a good SF who plays defense. It would make me a glad panda.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:48am #556402
I May Be WrongParticipanthey man, I know Iggy is valuable. But I’m starting to come to a realization that we will not get fair market value for Iggy. Andrew Bynum would be fair. Monta Ellis would be fair. Chris Kaman and some other pieces would be fair. But I’m getting that feeling that the other teams think Iggy isn’t enough for those players. IMO, it is. But they’ll ask for more. And all I know is this, the more Iggy hears these rumors, the more it will hurt the Sixers for the season. If we go into next season with Iggy as a Sixer, we’ll have a lot of chemistry problems IMO.
Thats why I suggested this trade. I honestly feel like we won’t get back that potential all-star player but having young pieces who fit our system works in the long run.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:48am #556462
I May Be WrongParticipanthey man, I know Iggy is valuable. But I’m starting to come to a realization that we will not get fair market value for Iggy. Andrew Bynum would be fair. Monta Ellis would be fair. Chris Kaman and some other pieces would be fair. But I’m getting that feeling that the other teams think Iggy isn’t enough for those players. IMO, it is. But they’ll ask for more. And all I know is this, the more Iggy hears these rumors, the more it will hurt the Sixers for the season. If we go into next season with Iggy as a Sixer, we’ll have a lot of chemistry problems IMO.
Thats why I suggested this trade. I honestly feel like we won’t get back that potential all-star player but having young pieces who fit our system works in the long run.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:58am #556410
kobyzParticipantsome Iggy trades ideas that make sense and does equal:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3njvvou
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3zapddf
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3hvwywd
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:58am #556470
kobyzParticipantsome Iggy trades ideas that make sense and does equal:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3njvvou
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3zapddf
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3hvwywd
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:13pm #556416
apb540ParticipantThey are both undersized, Lou just more so. There has to be a better trade option out there than this. I would rather just keep Iggy than trade him for Thompson and Thorton.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:13pm #556476
apb540ParticipantThey are both undersized, Lou just more so. There has to be a better trade option out there than this. I would rather just keep Iggy than trade him for Thompson and Thorton.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:16pm #556418
apb540ParticipantI actually like that first one. Balking on the other two though. At this point I really just want to trade Iggy for an expiring (preferably a big or SF) and a first rounder in 2012 or 2013.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:16pm #556478
apb540ParticipantI actually like that first one. Balking on the other two though. At this point I really just want to trade Iggy for an expiring (preferably a big or SF) and a first rounder in 2012 or 2013.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:17pm #556420
kobyzParticipantMarcus Thornton and Jason Thompson it’s not enough value and not enough good future, also Thornton is undersized SG and a ball hog, he doesn’t give you what Lou can’t bring, if i giving Iggy i don’t want to see small size 1-3 backcourt of Jrue, Thornton, Turner, i prefer somthing with more upside like Jrue, Turner, Paul George…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:17pm #556479
kobyzParticipantMarcus Thornton and Jason Thompson it’s not enough value and not enough good future, also Thornton is undersized SG and a ball hog, he doesn’t give you what Lou can’t bring, if i giving Iggy i don’t want to see small size 1-3 backcourt of Jrue, Thornton, Turner, i prefer somthing with more upside like Jrue, Turner, Paul George…
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:23pm #556422
kngojcParticipantI kinda like that second idea involving the Wolves, Sixers, and Cavs. I mean the Wolves get their experienced vet who can also play well, the Sixers get two players with lots of potential in Hickson and Randolph, and even the Cavs come away with good value getting Beasely to put next to Kyrie and Tristan Thompson gets the start early next year to prove what he can do. I think this trade is the most realistic of the three, though the first one isnt bad either.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:23pm #556481
kngojcParticipantI kinda like that second idea involving the Wolves, Sixers, and Cavs. I mean the Wolves get their experienced vet who can also play well, the Sixers get two players with lots of potential in Hickson and Randolph, and even the Cavs come away with good value getting Beasely to put next to Kyrie and Tristan Thompson gets the start early next year to prove what he can do. I think this trade is the most realistic of the three, though the first one isnt bad either.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:29pm #556430
B-ball fanParticipantKobyz is exactly right. Thornton would bring perimeter shooting, which the Sixers need, but little else. He doesn’t do anything but score. Players of his mold are a dime a dozen. He has also never been a particularly efficient scorer. The Sixers definitely could use perimeter shooting, as their lack thereof is one of their biggest weaknesses, but not at the cost of Iggy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:29pm #556489
B-ball fanParticipantKobyz is exactly right. Thornton would bring perimeter shooting, which the Sixers need, but little else. He doesn’t do anything but score. Players of his mold are a dime a dozen. He has also never been a particularly efficient scorer. The Sixers definitely could use perimeter shooting, as their lack thereof is one of their biggest weaknesses, but not at the cost of Iggy.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:32pm #556432
kobyzParticipant@kngojc, yeah all those stuff i putting to consideration to make a realistic trades, personally for Sixers i liked the most the Paul George trade as i love his potential and the fit next to Evan Turner(my second favorite player in the league).0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 12:32pm #556491
kobyzParticipant@kngojc, yeah all those stuff i putting to consideration to make a realistic trades, personally for Sixers i liked the most the Paul George trade as i love his potential and the fit next to Evan Turner(my second favorite player in the league).0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 1:13pm #556453
kngojcParticipantI like that trade too. It would allow both Turner and George to play their more natural positions given their height and build and play styles. Having them as your future would be good, but I feel like they would only be able to become a 4 seed at best with those two players being their premier players. It would also create a lot of growing pains having such a young core, I think it would look like a better version of the Wolves but only because they have a coach who is far better.
I think Iggy will be traded before the season starts and if there is a lockout, I think it just gives some of the GM’s some more time to concoct possible trades by the time the lockout would be lifted. Either way, Iggy won’t make through the full season next year as a Sixer.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 1:13pm #556511
kngojcParticipantI like that trade too. It would allow both Turner and George to play their more natural positions given their height and build and play styles. Having them as your future would be good, but I feel like they would only be able to become a 4 seed at best with those two players being their premier players. It would also create a lot of growing pains having such a young core, I think it would look like a better version of the Wolves but only because they have a coach who is far better.
I think Iggy will be traded before the season starts and if there is a lockout, I think it just gives some of the GM’s some more time to concoct possible trades by the time the lockout would be lifted. Either way, Iggy won’t make through the full season next year as a Sixer.
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