just some thoughts on the draft

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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:44pm #31188

sammybuckeye13
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– I love that the Wolves kept Derrick Williams. The Mavs won the championship starting Deshawn Stevenson at shooting guard; you win with players, not positions.
– The Kings managed to trade a bad contract for a worse contract in order to move down three spots in the draft. With that pick, they took a skilled but horrible fit in order to sell tickets. Either Tyreke’s the PG, or you pair him with a pass-first floor general. You don’t pair him with a PG who took 21 shots a game in college and achieved a 1.22:1 A/TO ratio. They’ll certainly sell tickets…during their last season in Sacramento.
– The Spurs are geniuses. Flat. Out. Geniuses. With a backcourt that already includes a Finals MVP, the best sixth man since John Havlicek and a 2011 All-Rookie 1^st-teamer, they traded an expendable guard to fill their biggest need: an athletic, defensive-minded wing who should come into his own as a big contributor right when Jefferson becomes an expiring contract. Hill was great for them, but considering the talent they have at guard, he won’t necessarily missed; they managed to grab a potential franchise swingman without missing a beat.
– I really like Tristan Thompson. He was one of the most underrated performers in college last season: put up 13 points, 8 boards and 2.5 blocks for a top team and shutdown Derrick Williams in the tourney. Yet, it was as big a reach I’ve seen at the top of the draft in years. Hickson (13.8/8.7, 22 years old) was the best thing about this team, meaning even after having the first and fourth picks, they’ll likely go into next year with the exact same starting lineup, meaning Manny Harris and Christian Eyenga at the wings again. Thompson would’ve been perfect for the Bobcats/Kings at 7 or the Pistons or 8; I strongly believe Vesely, Valanciunas or hell, even Burks (for help on the wing) should’ve been the pick.
– Speaking of Burks, I believe he was the biggest steal of the lottery. Easily a top-7 prospect in this draft. He has great size for the two at 6-6/195, he has the most mature inside-the-arc offensive game of any prospect, is a top-notch athlete and an elite ball-handler, averaged 20.5 points for a power conference team without a dependable jump shot (imagine when he develops it), gets to the line better than anyone besides Derrick Williams, pulled down 6.5 boards per game and is still 19 for another month. And Klay Thompson is a better prospect? Gimme a break.
– When Jordan Hamilton fell past Philly at 16, it felt as if something was wrong. By the time he finally got drafted, I wanted to murder someone. At 6-8.5/230, it’d be hard to make up a better SF. He was a 5-star recruit, is arguably the best pure scorer in the draft, showed tremendous upside by improving his scoring from 10 to 18.6 points per game and crashes the boards like a big man (7.7 boards). The fact that he was the 26^th pick in this draft is disturbing.
– Was Nolan Smith a reach at 21? Maybe. Could you legitimately say taking an Oak Hill product who won a national title at Duke, then averaged 20.6 points, 5.1 points and 4.5 rebounds as a senior for that top-seeded team a ‘mistake’? I would argue, absolutely not. The same could be said of the Blazers second pick: Diebler might be the best shooter I’ve ever seen on the college level, has good size and is one of the most experienced players in the draft. If he’s half of Kyle Korver, which he easily could be, major steal.
– For the second year in a row, the Nets traded the wrong pick. Last years they had Crawford and Damion James, and handed Crawford off to the Hawks for nothing, and all he did was average 16 points, 4 assists and 1.4 steals after being traded to the Wizards, while James averaged 4 points and played just 25 games. This year they drafted JaJuan Johnson and Jordan Williams. Johnson averaged 20 and 9 and was the Big 10 POY and is a solid 6-10 with a 38” vertical. Williams is a 6-9 center with no jump shot and a weight problem. Marshon Brooks was a decent deal for Johnson, but I still think they’ll regret it.
– I think you could make a good argument for the Jazz, but when it comes down to it, the Wizards really had the best draft. If they re-sign Young, as they intend to, they have enough scoring in Young, Wall, Crawford, ‘Shard and Blatche. This team needs defense and toughness, something that four of the five guys that I just named don’t provide. This was a great step in the right direction: Vesely is a 6-11 forward who loves to run, jump and hassle guys, and Singleton is the best man-to-man defender in the draft. Shelving Mack has great size, is a bulldog (no pun intended) on D, was a top player on a team that reached the title game twice, and he’s a phenomenal shooter. It’s hard to see how these guys will fit into the lineup this year, but regardless, very well done.

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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:47pm #555892

sammybuckeye13
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Shelvin Mack, not ‘Shelving’ Mack, sorry! haha
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:47pm #555949

sammybuckeye13
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Shelvin Mack, not ‘Shelving’ Mack, sorry! haha
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:51pm #555897

llperez
if you dont think jimmer was a good pick thats fine and i can see why people feel that way. But i disagree completely that it is becasue he doesnt fit with tyreke. I think they are a perfect match style wise. Tyreke is a ball handler. He will not excel playing off the ball. He has to have it in his hands and be allowed to attack the rim and get to the line and put the defenses on their heels. He needs a pg to play off him and that can knock down shots and space the floor. Why do you think he would be better with a true pg who is a floor general and controls the ball?
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:51pm #555955

llperez
if you dont think jimmer was a good pick thats fine and i can see why people feel that way. But i disagree completely that it is becasue he doesnt fit with tyreke. I think they are a perfect match style wise. Tyreke is a ball handler. He will not excel playing off the ball. He has to have it in his hands and be allowed to attack the rim and get to the line and put the defenses on their heels. He needs a pg to play off him and that can knock down shots and space the floor. Why do you think he would be better with a true pg who is a floor general and controls the ball?
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:59pm #555911

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^^ Agreed Perez…I have no clue why people think Jimmer wouldn’t fit in with Tyreke…dude can straight shoot and will help both Evans and DMC
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 5:59pm #555969

What The Devil
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^^ Agreed Perez…I have no clue why people think Jimmer wouldn’t fit in with Tyreke…dude can straight shoot and will help both Evans and DMC
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:01pm #555913

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Jimmer is a good shooter to play alongside but Evans needs a guy who will allow him to operate like he needs to without constantly disrupting his rhythm; let’s not forget that Cousins needs touches in the right spots, too, and complementing these ball-dominant scorers with the most trigger-happy PG there is rather than a disciplined guard that knows how to run a fluid offense isn’t, well, much of a complement. There wouldn’t have been a guy like that available at 10 but they had a lot of trades on the table and better options on the board. This team badly needs defense and consistently, and while I’m not the biggest Kawhi fan, he would have been a perfect fit at SF, and they would’ve been better served finding that PG in free agency.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:01pm #555971

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Jimmer is a good shooter to play alongside but Evans needs a guy who will allow him to operate like he needs to without constantly disrupting his rhythm; let’s not forget that Cousins needs touches in the right spots, too, and complementing these ball-dominant scorers with the most trigger-happy PG there is rather than a disciplined guard that knows how to run a fluid offense isn’t, well, much of a complement. There wouldn’t have been a guy like that available at 10 but they had a lot of trades on the table and better options on the board. This team badly needs defense and consistently, and while I’m not the biggest Kawhi fan, he would have been a perfect fit at SF, and they would’ve been better served finding that PG in free agency.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:08pm #555919

What The Devil
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Jimmer is going to be there to space the floor. When Tyreke drives and needs to pass out Jimmer will be there. When DMC is in the post and gets double teamed Jimmer will be there. Jimmer was trigger happy in college because he was the man at BYU. I don’t think his ego is so big that he believes he’ll be taking that many shots in the pros. I still doubt Kawhi lives up to expectations although I am hoping he proves me wrong.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:08pm #555978

What The Devil
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Jimmer is going to be there to space the floor. When Tyreke drives and needs to pass out Jimmer will be there. When DMC is in the post and gets double teamed Jimmer will be there. Jimmer was trigger happy in college because he was the man at BYU. I don’t think his ego is so big that he believes he’ll be taking that many shots in the pros. I still doubt Kawhi lives up to expectations although I am hoping he proves me wrong.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:08pm #555923

llperez
i dont think jimmer is nearly good enough to dominate shot attempts at the nba level. He will play off the ball and probably get most his shots when defenses collapse on cousins and tyreke. Tyreke will have the ball and the ball will go inside to cousins by design. Jimmer wont have the ball in his hands enough to distract from those other guys getting their shots unless he turns out to be a better one on one player then we expect who can create his own shots consistently enough to be a chucker.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:08pm #555982

llperez
i dont think jimmer is nearly good enough to dominate shot attempts at the nba level. He will play off the ball and probably get most his shots when defenses collapse on cousins and tyreke. Tyreke will have the ball and the ball will go inside to cousins by design. Jimmer wont have the ball in his hands enough to distract from those other guys getting their shots unless he turns out to be a better one on one player then we expect who can create his own shots consistently enough to be a chucker.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:10pm #555927

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Wow, that is a long (but nice) article, have you taking lessons from MikeyV?
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:10pm #555986

aamir543
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Wow, that is a long (but nice) article, have you taking lessons from MikeyV?
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:11pm #555929

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You make good points prez and you certainly could be right, but I personally would rather have a player who’s proven he can run a team rather than someone who’s claim to fame (trust me, I am a Jimmer fan), is knocking down 27-foot j’s off the wrong foot.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:11pm #555988

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You make good points prez and you certainly could be right, but I personally would rather have a player who’s proven he can run a team rather than someone who’s claim to fame (trust me, I am a Jimmer fan), is knocking down 27-foot j’s off the wrong foot.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:15pm #555933

What The Devil
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Honestly I’m not too sure how a pg you’re talking about would work out on this team. I mean I see your reasoning for initiating the offense and stuff but then again it’s like you said about Evans and DMC needing the ball. I don’t know if the other kind of pg would really be as effective as a shooting pg since the ball really runs through Evans before the offense in started.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:15pm #555992

What The Devil
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Honestly I’m not too sure how a pg you’re talking about would work out on this team. I mean I see your reasoning for initiating the offense and stuff but then again it’s like you said about Evans and DMC needing the ball. I don’t know if the other kind of pg would really be as effective as a shooting pg since the ball really runs through Evans before the offense in started.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:16pm #555935

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i dont agree with the kings one i think its a bad idea to put tyreke with a scoring PG because TYreke can make plays for others (yes he can score) but he is perfect to play alongside a pg who cant that well
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:16pm #555994

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i dont agree with the kings one i think its a bad idea to put tyreke with a scoring PG because TYreke can make plays for others (yes he can score) but he is perfect to play alongside a pg who cant that well
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:34pm #555958

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Jimmer actually went to a great team for him to actually shine because I think he will be able to play to his strenths instead of people trying to make him to be Steve Nash number 2.0
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 6:34pm #556016

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Jimmer actually went to a great team for him to actually shine because I think he will be able to play to his strenths instead of people trying to make him to be Steve Nash number 2.0
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 7:09pm #556046

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I dont think Jimmer and Tyreke will mesh well. They both need the ball in their hands to be their most effective. I also hated the Raptors selection of Jonas. We could have gotten Knight!! Shit. But I think Jimmer will struggle at the NBA level. I think his ceiling is Steph Curry, but I see him being more JJ Reddick. He’s a little too short, and a little too slow.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 7:09pm #555987

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I dont think Jimmer and Tyreke will mesh well. They both need the ball in their hands to be their most effective. I also hated the Raptors selection of Jonas. We could have gotten Knight!! Shit. But I think Jimmer will struggle at the NBA level. I think his ceiling is Steph Curry, but I see him being more JJ Reddick. He’s a little too short, and a little too slow.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 7:18pm #556056

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He isn’t quite the passing PG Nash is. I feel like Jimmer could be a very good non-lead guard alongside ‘Reke. The dude can shoot from anywhere, off the dribble or catch and shoot. His defense isn’t great due to his lack of athleticism.

Plus, I played with the Kings new roster on 2K and it was fun as hell. Just sayin’.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/25/2011 - 7:18pm #555998

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He isn’t quite the passing PG Nash is. I feel like Jimmer could be a very good non-lead guard alongside ‘Reke. The dude can shoot from anywhere, off the dribble or catch and shoot. His defense isn’t great due to his lack of athleticism.

Plus, I played with the Kings new roster on 2K and it was fun as hell. Just sayin’.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:20am #556304

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"I think his (Jimmer’s) ceiling is Steph Curry"
That is an insult to Curry’s talent, trust me, I am a Warriors fan. Curry is fast, smart, plays good enough defense, makes good passes when necesary, and doesn’t randomly shoot 4 feet behind the three point line. I think Jimmer can be a solid point, but Curry has the potential to be somthing even more special.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:20am #556364

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"I think his (Jimmer’s) ceiling is Steph Curry"
That is an insult to Curry’s talent, trust me, I am a Warriors fan. Curry is fast, smart, plays good enough defense, makes good passes when necesary, and doesn’t randomly shoot 4 feet behind the three point line. I think Jimmer can be a solid point, but Curry has the potential to be somthing even more special.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:31am #556311

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"The Mavs won the championship starting Deshawn Stevenson at shooting guard; you win with players, not positions."
What exactly do you mean by this?
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:31am #556370

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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"The Mavs won the championship starting Deshawn Stevenson at shooting guard; you win with players, not positions."
What exactly do you mean by this?
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:43am #556321

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i agree with the comments about jimmer being a very good compiment too reke and dmc reke is gonna have the offense ran through him and attack the rim leaving wide open jumpers for jimmer and when the balls id thrown inside too dmc who will draw alot of double teams more kick outs for open jimmer jumpers sounds like a good fit imo
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:43am #556381

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i agree with the comments about jimmer being a very good compiment too reke and dmc reke is gonna have the offense ran through him and attack the rim leaving wide open jumpers for jimmer and when the balls id thrown inside too dmc who will draw alot of double teams more kick outs for open jimmer jumpers sounds like a good fit imo
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:51am #556335

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I disagree with San Antonio being smart. While Leonard is a good trade, he still can be a Sonny Weems type guy. I think they were crazy to give up George Hill, mainly because backup good point guard are really hard to find. Then, I hated the Cory Joesph pick. I thought it was a monster reach, and I liked the guy ALOT. You grab Leonard, then draft Bertans?
While they did add future pieces down the road, it didn’t make sense moving proven youth, for unproven youth.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 9:51am #556395

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I disagree with San Antonio being smart. While Leonard is a good trade, he still can be a Sonny Weems type guy. I think they were crazy to give up George Hill, mainly because backup good point guard are really hard to find. Then, I hated the Cory Joesph pick. I thought it was a monster reach, and I liked the guy ALOT. You grab Leonard, then draft Bertans?
While they did add future pieces down the road, it didn’t make sense moving proven youth, for unproven youth.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:32am #556390

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Leonard is much more promise player than George Hill.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 11:32am #556451

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Leonard is much more promise player than George Hill.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 4:10pm #556558

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George Hill’s ceiling is 15 and 3, playing 35 minutes a game, which is great value for where they drafted him. In my opinion, Leanord’s ceiling is 17 and 8, on a team that loves to run up and down the floor, sort of like a Shaun Marion type.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/26/2011 - 4:10pm #556613

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George Hill’s ceiling is 15 and 3, playing 35 minutes a game, which is great value for where they drafted him. In my opinion, Leanord’s ceiling is 17 and 8, on a team that loves to run up and down the floor, sort of like a Shaun Marion type.
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