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- Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 6:52am #30855
NashyMingParticipantAccording to reports, the Atlanta Hawks is losing 7mil a year. The bad attendance has already forced the Thrashers (losing 20mil a year) out of town. However, the equally low attendance for the Hawks would continue as they cannot leave Atlanta until 2028.
Somehow, the Atlanta Hawks is a playoff team with low attendance and they are stuck.
I don’t get how the stupid ownership group would allow the stupid GM in Sund to re-sign Joe Johnson (a tier 2 all-star) to that ridiculous contract last year.
The GM is stupid, but why would the ownership group allow the GM to do that.
I don’t even understand why they need to fight on the CBA. If the owners and the GMs are responsible for their team finance, they wouldn’t be losing money (maybe except for the Bobcats, they are beyond repair even with MJ as the logo).
The new CBA would basically help prevent owners and GMs doing stupid things. Frankly, I don’t get the logic of this if those same guys threw out all those ridiculously overpaid contracts to undeserving players in the first place.
Hard cap is currently being used by the NHL. It forces teams to make good financial decisions (and every team would have the same amount of money to play) because if you don’t, then you would have to disasemble the team (e.g. Chicago Blackhawks). However, I think if a team wants to burn $$$ like the Mavs, let them burn the money. I don’t think hard cap is a good idea. With a hard cap, the Mavs, the Lakers, the Heat, and the Celtics would have to be broken down.
I think soft cap is a pretty good system becasue there are a lot of stupid GMs in the NBA. That allows skillful GM like Sam Presti to play his cards and explosed idiots like Isiah Thomas. This would also allow guys like Mark Cuban to simply buy a championship (it took him 11 years of investment to get 1 championship, so even with $$$, it takes some smart moves to buy one). The Knicks had been the prime example of spending $$$ pointlessly during the Zeke era.
Anyone has information about the flex cap? From what I heard…
1) Teams would be allowed to go over the cap when re-signing current player, but no more MLE or BE. This would prevent team from losing its players unwillingly in free agency.
2) The cap is targetted at 62 mil. I think they probably would remove the luxury tax cap and just use one cap and probably the luxury tax would be applied when the salary is beyond 62mil.
3) Probably the comeback of Allan Houston clause. Probably a lot of overpaid unwanted contracts (Rashad Lewis? Richard Jefferson? Rip Hamilton? Jose Calderon?) would be removed (since the flex cap would force GMs to remove previous mistakes so that they can be flexible with the new system)
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:04am #549391
Bmore_DCParticipantIm all for a HARD-CAP in the NBA…
There seems to be a lot of parody in the NHL and i think that would really help the small market teams. The current system being used by the NBA makes little sense. I would like to see them get rid of these huge guaranteed contracts. This would help make trades look like actual trades instead of making "expiring contracts" more valuable than talent. I like the rookie scale and free agency, i just hate to see a SOFT-CAP because all that does is let the rich teams spend more.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:04am #549398
Bmore_DCParticipantIm all for a HARD-CAP in the NBA…
There seems to be a lot of parody in the NHL and i think that would really help the small market teams. The current system being used by the NBA makes little sense. I would like to see them get rid of these huge guaranteed contracts. This would help make trades look like actual trades instead of making "expiring contracts" more valuable than talent. I like the rookie scale and free agency, i just hate to see a SOFT-CAP because all that does is let the rich teams spend more.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:24am #549441
jonus grumbyParticipantI also like the hard cap idea as a fan. (I would not be for it if I was a player) I agree with Bmore in that parady is a good thing.
As a fan I like the NFL. Revenue sharing, cap and non-gaurenteed contracts.
But I also think GM’s should be allowed to offer bad contracts.
Without revenue sharing we will be looking at a big market small market league.
I would like revenue sharing, hard cap but allow team 1 franchise player for 1 year (go over cap with one of their own FA’s for one year), do away with the max contract (if Miami wants to pay LaBron 40 mil of the 64 mil cap fine) and contracts are only gaurenteed for half the life of the contract (contracts would be prorated over the life of contract for cap purposes)
just ideas.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:24am #549448
jonus grumbyParticipantI also like the hard cap idea as a fan. (I would not be for it if I was a player) I agree with Bmore in that parady is a good thing.
As a fan I like the NFL. Revenue sharing, cap and non-gaurenteed contracts.
But I also think GM’s should be allowed to offer bad contracts.
Without revenue sharing we will be looking at a big market small market league.
I would like revenue sharing, hard cap but allow team 1 franchise player for 1 year (go over cap with one of their own FA’s for one year), do away with the max contract (if Miami wants to pay LaBron 40 mil of the 64 mil cap fine) and contracts are only gaurenteed for half the life of the contract (contracts would be prorated over the life of contract for cap purposes)
just ideas.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:51am #549491
khaled_a_dParticipantI hate the Hard Cap only b/c I want the Bird Rights to remain in the CBA ,I hate the idea of teams not being able to keep there players and be forced to lose them
If there is harder cap with only Bird Rights as an exception ,I am all for it0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 7:51am #549498
khaled_a_dParticipantI hate the Hard Cap only b/c I want the Bird Rights to remain in the CBA ,I hate the idea of teams not being able to keep there players and be forced to lose them
If there is harder cap with only Bird Rights as an exception ,I am all for it0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 9:14am #549602
cward23ParticipantJust about every owner has over paid for a player so there are alot of dumb owners not just the one in Atlanta
Luke Walton
Kwame Brown0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 9:14am #549612
cward23ParticipantJust about every owner has over paid for a player so there are alot of dumb owners not just the one in Atlanta
Luke Walton
Kwame Brown0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:05am #549645
HitsterParticipantI have an issue with owners chsing free agents or resigning players to huge deals then moaning about revenue. I would hate a hard cap and believe that teams should live within their means with all due respect to say Indiana and Charlotte they will not make as much revenue as Chicago, Boston, NY and Dallas for example.
I quite like the one "ring fenced contract idea" as it would be fun to see if teams put up their franchise player or the one with the worse contract.
My personal idea would be a staggered luxury tax system whereby its dollar for dollar say over $62 million but then increases to say 1.5$ to 1$ over 75$ million and maybe $2 to 1$ over say $90 million. Teams can spend but it will cost them and should deter the Knicks $134 million salary level they reached under Isiah Thomas a few years ago.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:05am #549657
HitsterParticipantI have an issue with owners chsing free agents or resigning players to huge deals then moaning about revenue. I would hate a hard cap and believe that teams should live within their means with all due respect to say Indiana and Charlotte they will not make as much revenue as Chicago, Boston, NY and Dallas for example.
I quite like the one "ring fenced contract idea" as it would be fun to see if teams put up their franchise player or the one with the worse contract.
My personal idea would be a staggered luxury tax system whereby its dollar for dollar say over $62 million but then increases to say 1.5$ to 1$ over 75$ million and maybe $2 to 1$ over say $90 million. Teams can spend but it will cost them and should deter the Knicks $134 million salary level they reached under Isiah Thomas a few years ago.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:31am #549670
cward23ParticipantThe owners are trying to get a amnesty thing added where they can drop any player they want (only one player)
0 - Posted on: Wed, 06/22/2011 - 10:31am #549683
cward23ParticipantThe owners are trying to get a amnesty thing added where they can drop any player they want (only one player)
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