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  • #30114
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    CodySLC
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    Once again Lebron hasn’t shown up in the 4th. That’s whats always separated him from Jordan, and even Kobe.

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  • #542289
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    Kayjay
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    Cuz he only scored two points in the fourth quarter? Thats why? The guy was keeping his team alive with passes. Dallas shot the lights out, not much you can do about it when Dallas was shooting the way they we’re.

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  • #542290
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    kngojc
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     Surprise! He needs to be the King to be a leader. With Wade in that leader position, LBJ is turning out to be just a decent role player(in the 4th) who can’t close the game in the 4th quarter. Good job to the Mavs for utilizing all their role players to get these wins and close out the games.

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  • #542291
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Kayjay, he had 4 assists in the first 5 minutes of the quarter.  He disappeared in the final 7.  Which were the most important.

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  • #542300
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    ShekiruBoom
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     this has got to be one of the most frustrating series every… heat shouldve won all 5 holy crap. but seriously, its not only Lebron. I would say after game 2, dwade became "the man" and still the heat blew every game. Game 3 dwade didn’t do anything to close out, dirk just couldn’t hit the final shots and game 4 and game 5 same thing… its not only lebron the entire heat team seriously needs to wake up… to blow a sweep.

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  • #542303
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    DanEboy
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    He failed his team again. He said himself that this was the biggest game of his career. And that was the effort he gave? Weak.

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  • #542311
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    BBall4life88
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    Since Wade and LeBron are most comfortable with the ball in their hand, I think they’re having trouble figuring out who should make the plays down the stretch, and they’re overthinking things instead of playing off eachother. This is where coaching needs to come into play. 

    They did make one great play together on a LeBron cut to the basket Wade pass, and there was a critical charge call that shifted the momentum of the game. 

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  • #542329
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    well he had a triple double…by most standards thats a good game.  everybody seems to think its easy for a player like lebron to team up with a superstar like Wade….including Lebron.  the bottom line is…the Heat are still too top heavy, somebody else needs to show up.  3 guys cant do it.  lebron has to defer.  Cleveland…same thing, good team, Lebron the clear leader…but they still lacked a really prime 2nd option…like Joe Johnson…a guy who is good but still allows Lebron to take the scoring lead.  I will always say that had it been me I wouldve went to the Clips or the Bulls.  I am saying that despite that the Heat still have 2 more games at home…and they still will end up winning a title or two.  Individually, Lebron has sacrificed too much IMO.

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  • #542331
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    Scottoant93
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    KayJay will always support James no matter what, james didnt show up at all, This a bigger fail since he said will was now or never

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  • #542334
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    TyrekeJones
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    I am going to be honest, I expected a much better performance from Lebron, boy was I wrong, he did great with finding teammates but when the game mattered and Dallas was making a run, he was unable to respond, a player with that talent has to show up and he hasn’t shown up in the fourth for multiple games now, its the NBA Finals! He needs to play like he did the rest of the playoffs, such as in Boston and Chicago, thats the Lebron the Heat need.

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  • #542337
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    IndianaBasketball
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    This is why I think a triple double can be misleading.

    LeBron didn’t really play well, similar to that Boston game last season. I mean, he was moving the ball when he got doubled, but I just don’t think he attacked enough. LeBron should be shooting 10+ free-throw attempts per game. He’s not really imposing his will on anyone this series.

    And then the 4th quarter was just ridiculous. I damn near don’t even want to count that easy lay up he had. I mean, even if you’re a LeBron fan or apologist, you have to be honest and say this isn’t how a big game player plays.

     

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  • #542340
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    JMCLD
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    Or, for me, the best part (I’m a Cleveland fan), is that LeBron shot 2 free throws. TWO FREE THROWS!! His refusal to attack the paint and draw contact made me angry when he was with the Cavs and now disappoints me as a basketball fan. He is and always will be the most frustrating “superstar” in the NBA.

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  • #542346
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    jroll
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    The guy had a triple double. I know we expect MJ but he’s not that guy he has and will always make the correct basketball play. I don’t care what anyone says other than maybe Derrick Rose if you had to start a team today you would take LeBron plain and simple.

    And by the way which guy for either team was getting double teamed when posting up?

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  • #542348
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    "Since Wade and LeBron are most comfortable with the ball in their hand, I think they’re having trouble figuring out who should make the plays down the stretch, and they’re overthinking things instead of playing off eachother. This is where coaching needs to come into play."

    This is true.  But what can you do.  They have Spoelstra..who is a good coach…but so is Mike Brown.  Too late for Riley to come down now…lol.  Even if Riley was coaching, or Jackson for that matter…seems like they are still a player or two away from being a dominant team.  I like Bibby and Chalmers is good too…but now you can see the importance of a tough leader like Fisher and why the Heat pursued him.  Intangibles.  Also, there are no Ronny Harper’s around, like Jordan and Kobe had the luxury of playing with…a 6-6 pg who was a defensive specialist and could hit the 3.  They dont even have a Rob Horry…..or a Sam Cassell. 

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  • #542349
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    BBall4life88
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    His physical talent allows him to get rebounds, assists, dunks, alley oops, blocks, steals…but he stuggles when it comes down to skills: he has zero post moves, no one-on-one dribble moves, and not a consistant jumpshot. 

    He had decent numbers in this game for good player but he made 1 jumpshot outside of the paint…where skills come into play. This is why him numbers don’t seem very impressive to me. 

     

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  • #542360
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    boxn1
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    I’m not even gonna pile on LBJ tonight, he whiffed,but its not all on him. That top 5 defense hasn’t been consistant this series. Ok I will pile on a little bit, he can’t post up and finish over Jason Kidd??? Really??? I ask one more time,what is his go to move??? What spot on the floor does he catch the ball on and you just know he is gonna score??? I’m asking because I really don’t know. And not enough critisim is going out to the coach. Where is the offensive adjustments??? And why in the blue hell was Eddie House in the game. He hasn’t played in 2 months. Where is James Jones???? LBJ didn’t help himself tonight,but even the biggest hater can’t put this all on him. Some,but not all. And by the way Bosh disappeared too, don’t leave him out of the flogging

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  • #542361
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    boxn1
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    and jroll that player’s name is Dirk….

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  • #542365
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    surve
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    "And then the 4th quarter was just ridiculous. I damn near don’t even want to count that easy lay up he had. I mean, even if you’re a LeBron fan or apologist, you have to be honest and say this isn’t how a big game player plays."

    This is true as well.  Still, this is a team sport, Lebron gets all the blame…and he should get a lot of it, it was his decision to play with these guys.  One man cant do it, neither can two, or three, it has to be a collective.  Dont forget about the Scotts and the Coopers.   A lot has been made of Lebron’s lack of a post up game, and the postseason is always a truth serum.   He needs to work on that.  Too good not to have that in his arsenal.

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  • #542372
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    According to some on here, asking where LeBron’s go-to move is in his 8th season is nitpicking. Asking why he doesn’t have a post game in his 8th season is nitpicking. Questioning his ability to perform on the biggest stage is nitpicking. Asking why he isn’t defending Dirk in crunch time is nitpicking. Wanting LeBron to live up to being called "The King", "The Chosen One", etc is nitpicking.

    There is blame to go around, but the best player in the world can’t go scoreless in the fourth quarter of two straight games in the NBA Finals. And no, I’m not counting that garbage bucket he had.

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  • #542375
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    jroll
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    Dirk double teamed? What? You obviously didn’t watch the game because if you did you would have seen seen Haslem or Bosh guarded him 1-on-1( not successful) So when you know what your talking about let me know.

     

    And if your talking about starting a team with Dirk your just being ridiculous.

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  • #542376
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    yeah but still, athletic or not…skilled or not, a triple double is not something to sneeze at…its not something that everyone can do, some players never get one.  it may not be impressive to you, but the NBA is the highest level of ball playing.  each time Kidd or Rondo gets a triple, its impressive to me.  this is not saying he is as good as jordan or he is an all time great….but you take away the boards and assist that Lebron gets…and this team barely even makes the playoffs.  as flawed as his game is in some aspects…his skill level should never be questioned.  Physical talent doesnt equal triple doubles.  I dont know of anyone who lacked all the things you said he lacked but has won MVP twice.  I dont know what you want this guy to be but from the criticism he takes I doubt he will ever be what people expect….and thats to be able to win regardless of who he is playing with or being coached by. 

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  • #542379
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    maybe he is not the best player in the world…maybe that title still belongs to Kobe…surely he wouldnt go scoreless in the 4th quarter 2 times in a row….if he were playing that is.  maybe its Dirk.  what about Durant or Rose?  seriously, who is the best player in the world?  if the Heat lose, I think we can safely say its not LJ.

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    • #542411
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       Its funny how people hold Lebron and other black athletes to much higher standards than others; namely Dirk. Dirk will NEVER be as good as LBJ, hes just a good shooter on a team with a bunch of other good shooters and capable players.By the way, why is it that Lebron has to win a championship or get deep into the playoffs each year to be considered the best player ? Lebron should probably have won 4 or 5 mvps by now to be honest, and hes finished in second place almost every year of his career. Dirk would NEVER have been able to do what lebron did in Cleveland. It can be argued that no one could. People are all sooo eager to hop on bandwagons, and they forget that D.Rose Stats and accomplishments this year are merely annual to LBJ, so common that people forget how good hes been doing. Kevin Durant ….is a great player/scorer…..but he hasn;t proven anywhere near as much as lebron has at all. PERIOD. Kobe is better than Dirk, and its funny how people spent years hating on Kobe and now everyones on his side lol its ridiculous…but either way its just annoying how you/other people always try to use one or two game instances to define careers, because You just can’t do that. I remember MJ had really bad games too, even against the suns in ’93 whe he took 43 shots to get 42 points…..and Kobe actually choked against the Phoenix Suns like 5 years ago, they were poised to sweep the series, but everyone conveniently forgets that episode in the "Greatest closer in the Game’s " Career lol. Also its funny, Lebron’s stats were actually better than D.Rose’s this year even though he won the MVP……with that being said, LBJ has had a pretty pedestrian series, its just that he actually has done enough clutch things and remarkable feats to not be criticized for everything hes done. Its ridiculous.

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  • #542389
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    BBall4life88
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    Nitpicking why he doesn’t have a post game, or any moves is one of the biggest reasons why he didn’t have any 4th quarter points. There is a reason why, it’s because he’s not a great one-on-one player yet. The leagues best closers want the ball in their hands and everybody to get the &$#%#&@! out of the way (iso) so they can take the game over and dominate their opponent and impose their will. 

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  • #542409
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    "A lot has been made of Lebron’s lack of a post up game, and the postseason is always a truth serum. He needs to work on that. Too good not to have that in his arsenal."

    Couldn’t have said it any better than this.  It’s always interesting to see how the playoffs effect a player’s physical skills and more importantly mental makeup.  So far, what can we say.  In two games that basically would of sealed the Mavs’ fate, the "best" player in the league has not had a meaningful impact on the game.  LBJ would rather settle to standing around the three point line, waiting to get the ball and settling for long jump shots rather than using his superior physical attributes to take over the game.  One of the most frustrating plays of the entire series to me was, I think, around the 1:30 mark in the 4th where LeBron got the ball 18 feet away from the basket against Kidd.  Instead of backing down a player that you have about half a foot on, he settles for a 18 foot fadeaway.  I heard a stat that he got the ball 8 times tonight in the post and he shot the ball once, and that was the shot.  When you have such a dominate physical advantage over a player, how do you not take advantage of that? 

    I picked the Heat at the beginning of the season to win the championship, but lately, especially this series, the problems that plagued this team during regular season are showing themselves at the worst of times.  Now, add the situation that they are playing a team that has showed this postseason that no lead is safe against them, the Heat have a pretty big issue that they need to fix immeadiately.  I’m not saying that this series is over, but when the biggest reason that I can come up with to pick the Heat is that they have home court advantage for the next two games, I don’t feel very confident in my pick…

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  • #542422
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    BBall4life88
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     Your entire post is stupid and pointless

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  • #542423
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     It does have a point its just disorganized. the point is everybody always overreacts and makes it so its like the end of the world when lebron has a bad game. Hes been dominating the league for years and you can’t annoint others the best or better than him when hes done what they’ve done year in and year out. I’m saying his body of work puts him in an elite category and its simply unfair to use a few games to say some upstarts are better.

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  • #542714
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    BBall4life88
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     That’s fair to say, but it doesn’t have anything to do with him being a black athlete.

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