Seems like they’re has been an update

Irving and dwill will probably be up in the air for awhile.

I think it is a combo of a few things…

1.  Kyrie skipped workouts and alot of people think its because he was afraid his athleticism and other portions of his game may be exposed as not being #1 pick worthy.

2.   Derrick Williams has done nothing to hurt himself at all.  He is confident, which you need, and is a far better defensive player than Kyrie. 

3.  The Cavs do have decent PGs…Baron, Sessions, Gibson…all solid PGs to have on your squad.

4.  I may be reading into this too much but…

Given that trade rumor of T-Wolves getting picks 4/8…Cavs get 1/2…and Pistons get rid of Hamilton.

Personally, there is a side of this to me that says the Cavs covet Williams slightly more than Irving.  My reasoning…

If you have picks 1 and 4 you could go Williams at 1 and still get a stellar PG in Knight or Walker at 4 (odds are).  If you have 1 and 4 and go PG…you essentially have no shot at Williams IMO.  By stating intersest in moving up to 1 and 2…you are assuring yourself of Irving and Williams.  I think this strong intersest means that they truly want Williams in this draft, and while they also want Irving, I think they either trade up to get both of them or they go William @1 and then go either Knight/Kanter/Walker @ 4. 

5.  Derrick Williams was clearly the most dominant player in college Bball last year IMO. 

Willaims was not the most dominant player in College basketball last season. He has a good squad around him but some games he just didn’t show up. I hope that is not what happens to him in the NBA.

I would hesitate to draft Irving as well. You should back yourself up a little bit and he did no such thing. Peoples imaginations can be so much worse than the truth and he might have just set himself up for that.

seems like they are has been an update

bksmith…who do you suggest was the best played in college bball last year then?  And Im going from the standpoint of those who are in this year’s draft class.

Who in this years class was more dominant than Williams?  Walker maybe, but personally I’ll still say Williams given his clutch D and all around game. 

So you can’t really knock me for saying he was the most dominant player.  I agree, from this draft class, Kemba was really the only one who was close to him.  But if you have the number 1 pick, IDK how many teams are necessarily considering Kemba @ 1.  That is more or less between Kyrie and Derrick…and between those two, Derrick was far more dominant throughout the whole season (given Kyrie’s injury, made Derrick far more consistent and proven).  I should have been more specific with my intent from my post.

I can’t argue with you though that Kemba was arguably the most dominant.  Its just that he is not being considered for the 1st overall pick IMO and that strengthens the argument for Williams @ 1 even more.

If you could get Williams @ 1 and Kemba @ 4, I think you are bringing in the 2 most dominant players in college Bball last season (from this class).  

I think this mock is the reflection of a point ive been bringing up for a few weeks. If you take Irving #1 and then Kanter and Williams go #2 and #3, that would put the Cavs in a spot where they are stuck with a combo of Irving and Leanord/Valanciunas/Vesely which would be a major dissapointment. The Cavs know this too.. why do you think they are trying so hard to get that #2 pick… Atleast if DW goes #1 you still have a worst case scenario of DW to pair with Knight or even Kanter if Knight goes to the Jazz at 3.. The Cavs don’t want a combo of Irving and Kanter bcuz they both have too many question marks health wise.. DW is a lot easier to pair someone with..

As another poster brought up regarding the Cavs PG status… Baron for 2 more years, Sessions and Gibson, Pg doesn’t seem like the most pressing need.  I know your thinking the Cavs could trade Sessions, but why would they?  For what Sessions brings to the table at such an affordable price I’d rather hang on to him. 

Is PG really a priority for the Cavs?  Even if it is a priority is Irving really worth the 1st overall.  I don’t care about him skipping the combine testing.  You knew he would.  Not just because of his draft slot, but because his training has been inconsistant since he returned from the toe injury.  He would get smoked by vitrtually every other guard on the testing… which would give everyone something to pick at.  If your not in peak condition why test?  The results would not be representative of who you really are anyways…  However, in todays NBA, with some truely elite athletes at the position, Irving will be at an athletic disadvantage on most nights on Defense even if he’s in great shape.  Thats ok if your game management, handles, shot selection and shooting #’s are all above average.   Are Irvings intangibles that good?  I don’t know the answer to that.  Its guess work to say how a guy will turn out especially with such a limited sample in his lone year of college.

If I’m the Cavs I’d go for Williams #1.  What I most like about his game is his ability to draw fouls and shoot at a high clip from the line.  Its a necessity to be considered a great player.  You need a good ft % and he has one.  Williams can also stretch floor to the 3 point line to help unclog the paint and keep his own defenders honest.  In the NCAA’s I noticed some remarkable footwork out of the high post.  He is definitly nice on his feet.

After the Cavs take Williams I think there’s a chance Minny takes Kanter second.  As a true center who is nimble and athletic, there’s not too many Center’s who will be able to match up with his athleticism AND size.  260 at 5.4% body fat is pretty amazing.  Kanter could put on 10 pounds of fat and he’d still be under 7.5% body fat.  Do you think defensive ace in the hole Kendrick Perkins would have an easy time guarding Kanter?  Kanter will draw fouls and much like Williams he will be able to convert at the line.  Kanter has a nice array of most moves and should be a really nice Starting Center for a long time.

Should the Cav’s Wolves Pistons trade go through, I’d like to see the Cavs take Williams and Kanter #1 and #2.  The Cavs frontline would be quite fantastic and versatile with Hickson, Side show bob, Kanter and Williams up front.  Of those 4 Williams is the only one who has a chance at playing the 3 but thats ok.  The Cavs would have a big available to matchup with any frontline in the NBA.  This was the Memphis plan with Gasol and ZBO.  Could Kanter and Williams eventually turn into that kind of duo?  I know I’m repeating myself here but its the FT’s that make the memphis combo what they are.  They love getting to the line. They don’t alter their own shots on offense to avoid the line (there are some NBA bigs who do this).  They attack the rim which will put opposing bigs in foul trouble and make for slightly more honest and passive D later.

This leaves the Utah pick and wouldn’t you know… after shipping out their franchise PG to the Nets, they can draft another potential franchise PG in Irving at #3, or they could go Brandon Knight?  Either way Utah is pretty Darn happy.

So my first three picks are Williams Kanter and then Irving or Knight. 

Teams have a history of NOT passing on bigs in favor of PG’s.  Williams and Kanter are very skilled and above average athletically with excellant size. 

I know teams have been floating Valanciunus and Vesely as being above Kanter on their draft boards but I really believe thats a complete lie.  What these teams are trying to sell you is misdirection based on potential.  I have no doubt they like those 2 players but not if Kanter is on the board.  Why would teams draft either of those 2 guys based on their potential when Kanter will come in and start at C from day one?  Both Valanciunus and Vesely will need alot of luck to ever be as good as Kanter is right now.

From the Cavs perspective I believe there’s a good chance acquiring the first and second picks was not for Williams and Irving.  I think it was for Williams and Kanter.  Kanter won’t make it to 4th. 

lol bennydabull, obviously people have no idea why you posted what you….i got a good laugh but i think it went way over some of these dude’s heads