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  • #29601
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    montauriush4
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     If Lebron James win at least 5 titles where would you put him in the greatest of all-time.

    I would put in top 5 or top 2. When it all said and done lebron will be in the top 5 in scoring and  top15 in assist. We haven’t seen a player like him in the NBA he one of a kind.

    Lebron James Projected career stats. By a nba expect

     

    Year    GP     MPG     PPG    RPG    APG    SPG    BPG    Win%    WARP
    
    2004    79    39.5    20.9    5.5    5.9    1.6    0.7    .543     8.2
    2005    80    42.4    27.2    7.4    7.2    2.2    0.7    .752    23.5
    2006    79    42.6    31.4    7.0    6.6    1.6    0.8    .741    22.6
    2007    78    41.0    27.3    6.7    6.0    1.6    0.7    .690    18.1
    2008    75    40.4    30.0    7.9    7.2    1.8    1.1    .775    22.6
    2009    81    37.7    28.4    7.6    7.2    1.7    1.1    .839    26.9
    2010    76    38.0    28.9    6.9    7.1    1.6    1.0    .792    22.6
    2011    76    38.5    29.8    7.2    7.7    1.6    1.0    .780    22.2
    2012    76    39.0    33.4    7.5    7.8    1.7    1.1    .801    23.7
    2013    76    39.0    33.4    7.4    7.9    1.6    1.1    .788    22.9
    2014    76    39.0    32.8    7.6    8.0    1.6    1.0    .773    22.1
    2015    76    39.0    33.3    7.3    8.3    1.6    1.2    .761    21.3
    2016    76    39.0    31.6    7.7    7.9    1.6    1.0    .723    19.0
    2017    76    39.0    31.5    7.8    7.9    1.6    1.0    .700    17.6
    2018    76    39.0    31.3    7.3    7.8    1.5    1.0    .695    17.2
    2019    76    38.5    27.8    7.3    7.7    1.5    1.0    .667    15.3
    2020    76    38.0    27.2    7.4    7.5    1.3    1.0    .646    13.8
    2021    76    38.0    24.8    7.0    7.8    1.4    1.2    .624    12.5
    2022    76    37.5    22.7    6.9    6.9    1.3    1.1    .555     8.3
    2023    76    37.0    20.9    6.8    7.0    1.4    1.0    .526     6.5
    2024    76    36.0    17.5    6.9    6.9    1.3    1.2    .520     5.9
    2025    70    35.0    13.9    6.8    5.7    1.0    1.0    .459     2.2
    
    Career 1682  65262   46412   12072  12229  2606   1690      -    375.1
    

     

     

     

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  • #537433
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    B-ball fan
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     That is a long career.  I think that it is pretty ridiculous to expect a player with James’ body of work to play 21 years in the league, much less average over 20 ppg in his 19th season.  That kind of projection is impossible to even make reasonable because their are so many variables.

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  • #537432
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Who projected these stats?  They are pretty ridiculous.

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  • #537441
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    montauriush4
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  • #537443
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    apb540
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    Those numbers are video game like.  And it doesn’t matter how many rings he wins as long as he wins them all with D-Wade and Bosh.  Imagine if AI, Dirk, and Paul Pierce all played together in the mid 2000s….Just sayin 

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  • #537444
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    llperez

    Well the sites already off to a bad star predicting he would aver 30 this past season when he averaged a little under 27

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  • #537449
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    Tyrober
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    Why do people act like MJ had no help? Take Pippen on the bulls and they dont win…. Take Kareem off the Lakers and Magic doesnt win. I am sick of hearing that LeBron has Wade so he wont be considered as good. If you watch the games you can see that Lebron is clearly the best player on the HEAT. Great players need great help.

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  • #537454
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    NYK2010
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    Also this is his first year with Wade and they don’t exactly have a top PG, C or bench.

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  • #537457
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    Dr.Red
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    And I don’t care what anyone says… I watched Jordan for his whole career. LeBron is a completely different player than MJ, but MJ is still the GREATEST player of all time!!! LBJ is the most physically gifted to play the game…at least, to date. He puts up numbers and wins games, but Jordan owned the league when he was in his prime! Yes, he had help. Would he have won rings without Pippen? My guess is HELL YES! He made Pippen into the player he was. Pippen didn’t make Jordan a champion. Jordan made Pippen a champion. That is fact! D-Wade was a champion before LeBron. LeBron won’t be making him a champion… D-Wade will help make LeBron a champion… this too is fact! Will LBJ be one of the greatest to play the game when his career is said and done? Yes! Will he be the best ever? NO! Not in my opinion… that title will still sit with Michael Jeffrey Jordan!

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    • #537474
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      King Cat
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      "D-Wade was a champion before LeBron. LeBron won’t be making him a champion… D-Wade will help make LeBron a champion"

      You can not just dismiss Shaq from D-Wade’s championship team. By your logic Wade wasn’t a champion since Shaq was there from the Lakers.

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  • #537471
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    "D-Wade was a champion before LeBron. LeBron won’t be making him a champion… D-Wade will help make LeBron a champion"

    So Dr. Red.. If Pippen had won a championship before Jordan, could we say that Jordan isn’t the greatest and his championships are worth a bit less?  No, we cannot.

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  • #537479
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Dennis Rodman was a 2x champ before he joined Chicago.  Are those last 3 titles tainted because he already had rings?

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  • #537481
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    aamir543
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    I would bet a lot of money you got those stats from NBA 2k11 assosiation mode. THose numbers are retarded. How does he go from 27 to 33? Even Jordan only averaged in the 30s a couple times, and no, Lebron is  not a better scorer, and it would take another 15 years till we could support what scottie said the other day. How do you get 33 and 8 while playing with another hall of famer, and another perenial all star? You are crazy to actually believe this. We NEED requirement for this website?

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  • #537482
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    aamir543
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    Kobe’s stats from the website are a bit more reasnoble, but those stats dont take wear and tear into account. Kobe has alredy played as many minutes as Michael did his whole career.

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  • #537484
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    mikeyvthedon
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    Made the predictions 2 years ago. Nonetheless, while at the time they were slightly less ridiculous, those expectations are ridiculous. Dude, you have been posting topics like these non stop, and they require no rational thought and are incredibly weak. You are insanely over projecting the statistical expectations of current and future players, and it would be fantastic if you stopped doing this. Thank you, and I hope this message gets to you in a place where you actually research probabilities and percentages of these numbers actually happening.  

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  • #537543
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    Dr.Red
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    Jordan made everyone he played with a championship level player. He demanded perfection from his teammates. He didn’t care about being friends with them, or if they liked him, etc… He demanded they play the right way to win, even if they were the last guy on the bench. Pippen was a good player when he entered the league, but Jordan made him great. Everyone who played with or coached them in the early days has stated that (Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Doug Collins, Phil Jackson all said this). Pippen worked so hard to become the player he was because MJ worked him so hard in practice. MJ was also relentless in every aspect. He became a more complete player every year. He didn’t go searching out talent to topple the Pistons. He worked harder and harder and demnded his teammates do the same. And guess what happened…three-peat!

    As for Rodman’s addition… his championship experience and skillset were huge additions to the second three-peat. Just as Pippen’s increased leadership skills were (thanks to MJ’s first retirement)… but Jordan was the unquestioned leader, and the catalyst for winning it all everytime. But due to the addition of Rodman and the development of Pippen, they were one of the most dominant teams in the history of the league.

    I don’t think Wade would have won without Shaq, but he was pretty badass in the playoffs the year before Shaq arrived. And I don’t think Shaq was the catalyst for winning it all, D-Wade was. Shaq’s experience and size were very helpful, though.

    I just think LeBron has a ways to go in becoming a leader… LBJ is just too hollywood…he wants to be loved too much.

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