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- Posted on: Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:00pm #29050

Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipantQUOTE OF THE NIGHT
"This league has a habit, and I am just going to say habit, of producing some pretty incredible story lines."- David Kahn, the Timberwolves gm said that, after his team fell to the number 2 pick, after having the best chance of getting number 1.
But isn’t it ironic, Almost a year after lebron leaves cleveland in the decision,with all of the uproar from everyone(especially the owner and fans), that Cleveland lands the number 1 pic and 2 of the top 4.
We all have our own thoughts about sports but could it be valid that the NBA Mock draft is fixed.
I’ve always thought the draft lottery should be thrown out, but the NBA is a business, if the same popular teams win, it brings the casual fan in and brings the NBA money. It just so happens that those popular teams are in the larger cities.
If the NBA wanted to eliminate parody as they say and let small teams get and keep stars, eliminate the lottery. Just think if Minnesota finishes with the worst record next year with no lottery, they would have their choice of all of the amazing players in the Draft. It would also provide more strategies for the better teams to use to stay good like in the NFL. Eliminate the lottery. It will be better for the NBA and the dignity of the game of basketball.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:49pm #532736

RUDEBOY_ParticipantYeah,for years the Lottery have been filled with story lines.But there seems no reason for cheating…
In 1987 the Spurs get Robinson..(If there was a fix why not have it rigged so he can join Jordan in Chicago and create a super team?
In 1997 Spurs get Duncan(If there was a fix why not put Duncan on the Celtics 1 of the league’s 2 most storied franchises?
In 2003 Lebron stays in his home state(If there was a fix why didnt they give the Bulls the 1st pick?)
It has lost some of the excitement it had when the lottery was 1st installed..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 12:51am #532741

FritzParticipantI dont think its set up. I mean I dont get why they just dont video tape it and show the tape or do it in public in the first place but I think its done fairly and the system is just set up for giving a lot of teams shots at high picks. I think its just been coincidence the Patrick Ewing draft I feel is a little sketchy but I feel them and the accounting firm that watches them are telling the truth and doing the proccess as they have told.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 2:42am #532755
Cardinal_FanParticipantI cant help but think it wus rigged, i went in thinking Minnesota or Sacramento would come out with the #1 pick. But for Cleveland to end up with 1& 4 it just seems fixed becuase of the whole Lebron James thing and the big losing streak. Im guessing David Stern felt sorry for them an is trying to give the city some type of hope again. If i was a player tho i would look at the whole thing of how they handled the Lebron situation an be hesitant about actually going there, i mean yes Lebron could have went about it a different way "The Decision" was stupid, but burning the mans jersey, the threats and cheap shots, the letter by Dan Gilbert, i would juss keep that in the back of my head if i was an incoming rookie. Not to say that anybody in this class will have the impact Lebron had but juss the way the orginazation and city handled things.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 2:48am #532757
nba00Participantif there is a will there is a way, i read some comments in the yahoo nba about this they mentioned some of lottery drafts like this but for me its okay. Stern is just trying ko keep the league alive, he cant let the cleveland franchise die just because of lebron’s decision.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 2:51am #532758

kobyzParticipantPoint.Blank, you have bad and slender way of thinking, with yours thinking the NBA would have been in defective mood, tanking would have been all over the place and more bad and sad habits would take place, the lottery is a must have tool to try prevent those stuffs, imo it’s even not enough, my offer is to add also that the 2 worst teams will not have chance for the top 3 picks and will not participate in the lottery at all, instead they automatic will get the #3 and #4 picks in the draft!! to keep parity is a very importent thing by the NBA to make and it’s must have, but in the same time you can’t give the worst team a complete gift for that(it contrasting the spirit of sport) and you can’t give the worst teams motivation for staying bad(for management reasons not working on making their teams better). so all in all, i thought my idea is absolute the best way!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 3:11am #532762

TallmanNYCParticipantWe need to keep the lottery because it cuts down on tanking by the bad teams at least a little bit at the end of the season.
The Cavs getting the number one pick is unlikely, but it was only a 1 in 22 chance, not like 1 in 1,000. And the number four pick with their own pick is about what you would expect, right?
The accountants have pretty significant professional reputations which would be tarnished to the to tune of loosing millions of dollars if they were caught cheating. I don’t mean they can’t be duped. But if there is cheating I believe that it must be happening in a way that is tricking the overseeing accounting folks.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 3:23am #532763

mikeyvthedonParticipantPersonally, I think all of the people who believe the lottery is a conspiracy would think that regardless of who won. I mean, Minnesota slipped one pick, and I think we all can agree that even if they had the first pick, they would have a number of options there. No LeBron, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin or John Wall in this draft. If there was no lottery, teams would tank like crazy and teams that won 10 games per year would be rewarded for doing so, there would be no incentive to get better. Right now, you get better so you do not have to rely on the lottery. It works.
To say, "well, I thought this team would win, but they didn’t, so it’s fixed" is simply not a good enough reason. New Jersey and the Clippers (even if they could not protect the pick) knew what they were potentially doing when they traded the picks. Not to mention, I can not think of a draft in a long time where the #1 pick was going to make less of an impact than this one. If you do not like the lottery, than that is too bad, but it works absolutely fine and while killing it might kill calls of it being rigged, it would lead to tanking of an incredible fashion. This is not the MLB or NFL draft, where there are upwards of 250 players picked, you play 5 guys in basketball and these picks matter greatly, and I think the NBA is doing a good thing by not just letting teams tank to get them. They have a great chance of doing so, and at the worst these teams usually end up with a high impact pick. Do not know why everyone thinks it is such a problem.
Also, while you can quote me as not thinking Kahn is the brightest bulb in the box, I watched his interview, and he was completely joking when he said that. There may be some truth to it, there tends to be in these cases, but whoever wins the first pick has a good story, it is easy to make one. The Cavaliers combined had only slightly less of a chance than Minnesota, and it just so happened to work for them. Now, they will choose two players in the top 4, and still be awful! Hooray! I am thinking Minnesota has to be happier with their current roster of young talent in comparison to that of Cleveland, and now at least Kahn will not be drafting a PG. If you were a Timberwolves fan, you should be happy.
0- Posted on: Fri, 05/20/2011 - 3:14pm #534121
MichaelJKohlParticipantThe lottery is good prime time television. I like how they give the worst teams a higher perecentage chance of winning the lottery. The lottery is more suspenseful than the actual draft. My favorite part of the lottery is the former players and current executives sitting in front of the team logos. I remember Larry Bird sitting in front of the Pacers logo and looking all serious. The rashional reply to this is to eliminate it because it is fixed. Well you cannot prove it (well maybe until some former NBA executive writes a book saying so). You can attempt to prove it by outcome but also you can disprove it by outcome. (Taking a funny tone) If it is rigged how come the Mavericks did not win the 1992 lottery Shaq is from Texas. But much like the lottery itself the draft is also a lottery well unless your the Blazers in 2007 and your picking Greg Oden.
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- Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 3:35am #532767

omphalosParticipantI think mikeyvthedon is right, arguably every team in the draft would have been a story had they got the first pick;
Washington would have had back-to-backs, huge, Cleveland we know, Utah because Sloan retired and D-Will traded, Sacramento because they got to stick around in Sacramento, Warriors have new owner, Pistons are finally rebuilding after being heavyweights for years, Houston need someone to replace Yao, same with Phoenix and Nash, Charlotte to give MJ a face of the franchise other than his own, Toronto to recover from Bosh… etc etc, no matter what happened there was going to be a story there, it has been a very momentous year in the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 3:49am #532770

mikeyvthedonParticipantI mean, every year there is a story. Yes, the Nick Gilbert story was off the hook, but whatever happened Cleveland would have had two picks in the top 8 more than likely. I have no idea if there is a conspiracy in running the lottery, but I think if there was, than I do not know if it worked for Cleveland. They could have chosen a much better draft to help them out than this years. I mean, even when they were tied for the highest probability in the draft, people thought it was a conspiracy built around LeBron James. Every year the lottery winner has a story, it is not hard to make one. Conspirists have incredibly little evidence and really give incredibly few reasons to this necessarily being as dark and evil a practice as they make it out to be.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/18/2011 - 8:23am #532844

Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipantYeah I like what you said Mikeyvthedon, but teams already tank in the NBA anyway after a certain time. You know the time of the year where they start playing all rookies and D-League Players. That’s tanking. So tanking is going on no matter what you do.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/19/2011 - 8:27am #533396
sacphil_08Participanti definitely believe its fixed. the whole david stern bending the envelope so the knicks could get ewing, the tragic death of the wizards owners family member resulting in the number 1 pick, the "cute" story of gilbert’s son representing him while dan is sitting in the fuCking audience ironically after the whole lebron thing went down. its fixed. i was saying that actually as the picks were getting closer to the top. i look at it like this, cleveland showed great support for the cavs when lebron was there, they dont need a new arena therefore the nba wants to get people in there and sell tickets. so, they give cleveland 2 of the top 4 picks one of which happens to be the first overrall hoping they can get people to watch cleveland play. now the cavs fans who cried can go and get season tickets the day after the draft and everyone is happy. its unfortunate that the nba didnt feel bad for the kings when the refs blatanly admitted to calling some bogus games in the playoffs and the payoff wasnt a top pick higher than the number 4 pick. kahn really shouldnt be whining. irving will probably go first overall and he can draft williams or kanter or someone else since he has a million pgs anyway. but yes its fixed.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/19/2011 - 8:36am #533400
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantAll they need to do is do the drawing live, in front of everybody. It’s that simple.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/19/2011 - 8:41am #533402

OldSkoolBasketballParticipantIf it was rigged the Knicks would have gotten a top pick when they suck.
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