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  • #28707
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    WizardofOz
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    Many people ma think this is just a typical spur of the moment post, but it’s not. Magic was right. This team is just too slow an unathletic. They have all these guys that are getting up there in age and are declining signed to long-term contracts. Gasol is playing like a p***y, and maybe even past his prime. Kobe is the franchise player, but he is also on the decline and I believe is making a WHOPPING $30 million a year I think until 2014. Lamar Odom is also signed to a big contract but turns 32 this year. And Blake and Ron Ron are way overpaid, and I think I’m missing some people.When they signed all these guys to their contracts, they didn’t really care because they were trying to win now, but now they’re going to end up regretting it.

    This team is in desperate need of some fresh legs. They’re old, slow, and unathletic, and it really showed in this series. The reason they lost this series is because the Mavs are really just a bad matchup for them. They have so many shooters and the Lakers are a very poor rotating team on defense. And the Mavs can also drive to the lane. If they played another team, MAYBE they win, but they need some faster athlete’s that can keep up on defense.

    And am I the only one that would consider firing the GM? For years now, they have never had any pure shooters. They’re one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league. And it seems like every player they acquire gets worse at shooting. Ron Ron, Barnes, and Blake were all decent 3-point shooters before they got to LA, but now, they can’t hit the ocean. And the lane is always clogged because of this.

    And the Dwight Howard fantasy needs to die! Orlando GM Otis Smith already said he’s not trading him, and LA doesn’t have the cap space to sign him outright. They can only acquire him by trade, and Otis Smith already said he’s not trading him, and if he were to somehow change his mind, LA would probably have to trade Bynum + Pau/Odom/etc. Why would Dwight want to come to a team with only has an aging Kobe? And Orlando probably wouldn’t want most of their players anyway. LA has good players, but they don’t have good assets. When teams trade their franchise players, they want young assets/draft picks/expirings, which LA doesn’t have.

    Pau Gasol is a b***h and his value is decreasing every game he plays. I doubt GMs would give that much value for him. I doubt many teams would want a player that is turning 31 this year with his contract, that was non-existeant in the playoffs. Maybe a team that is one piece away?

    This team needs to blow it up, and I’m expecting a drastic move this offseason. If I was the GM, the only players I would want to keep are Kobe, Bynum, and maybe Odom.

     

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  • #529652
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    OhCanada-
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    How did Kobe get that salary?

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  • #529653
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    JimmeredYaWabafet
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     Gasol wont get you anything,unless you want a nice prospect big or a high pick but they are trying to win now so forget trading him,cant believe Artest’s stats he is untradable, ah f it i dont care http://sixpacktech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Sloth.jpg

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  • #529654
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    llperez

    You guys are overreacting.’they need a new pg, some fresh legs off the bench and some more motivation which hopefully this series will do. Fire the gm and send everyone packing already?

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  • #529657
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    JimmeredYaWabafet
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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=42op7xs and the Lakers get the draft rights of……RICKY RUBIO!!!!

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  • #529665
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    Tyrober
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     I think dropping the triangle offense would help everyone

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  • #529667
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    OhCanada-
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    I agree with LL. Trade Gasol for Nene and Felton or something like that. Darko, Irving, and Randolph. Dont blow it up patch it up.

    I bet Jazz fans are dying right now. If it was just one year earlier the Lakers decide to completly disfuction it could be the Jazz contending.

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  • #529670
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    BKKnicksfan
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    Pau Gasol and Steve Blake for Al Horford and Kirk Hinrich

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  • #529672
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    The Scare Crow Returns
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    If the Lakers added a young point guard like Williams and an all star caliber Sf next to Kobe on the wings the Lake Show would look a lot more athletic…The Sixers would take a risk on Bynum Imo

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  • #529683
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    canesboy6
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    Dude, you are a freaking psycho if you think they should fire Kupchak. Are you kidding me? After two titles in a row? He didn’t lose control of the team, its not his fault. He built a team good enough to win 2 in a row just a year ago. Kupchak is a top 3 GM in the NBA, guarantee that Any team would roll out the red carpet and pay him whatever he wants.

    The team just seemed to quit. I don’t know if its that they could not or that they would not but something died in them in that series.

    But to answer the question, yes, it is time to blow it up. Kobe, Bynum, Odom are good starters, and Brown is a good young player. They need to clear cap space, see if they can get a Point Guard and a wing for Gasol, and little by little get younger.

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  • #529688
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    Malik-Universal
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     I really dont know what to think of the Lakers trading Pau Gasol if they would want to

    you can get some good value for that guy

    fisher clearly cant move anymore… blake had a pretty bad yr… and im not sure if brown is the anwser at PG

    But maybe trading Gasol can bring them some young legs and more athleism, but overall, i really dont know

    but firing the GM wont do u any good… this is where he can show his savvy and pull off some moves

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  • #529704
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    boxn1
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    You think its time to blow it up??? That sounds like bad buisness. This is a nba fourm but let’s not go too far away from reality. Reality is you contend for 3-5 yrs max if lucky. Sometimes you can extend that time frame by adding or subtracting the right player(s). The Lakers still have an advantage on most of the league(size). Kobe is still a top 5 player. And you still haven’t had a full season of a healthy Bynum. They need to incorporate some younger players into their top 8. They have a few 2nd round picks,they can do something to help them right away. But its not time to blow it up because your best player is still highly productive,you have an emerging player in Bynum, and Odom is the 6th man of the year.

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  • #529710
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     Who besides Bynum would any NBA team want from the Lakers? Even then there are his issues with staying healthy.

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  • #529717
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    Completely disagree about blowing it up, they obviously need to make some new moves to allow them to keep up with some of the up and coming younger teams in the Western Conference ( Grizzlies and Thunder, maybe Portland), but they still had a championship caliber team this season, they just thought they could cruise through the regular season and to my suprise the playoffs and them being swept showed them they need to give it their all if they want another title. If I were LA I would decide who to keep and who to use as trade bait. Pau did have a bad playoff performance, but that doesn’t make him automatically expendable, people thought he was the best player on the Lakers in the beginning of the season. If Bynum didn’t have such major health issues I would definitly say he is off the line for trade but who knows, at this point Kobe is the only player who the Lakers wouldn’t trade.

    The Lakers need to get a SF that fits in with the triangle, Artest had an awful season, offensively and for the most part defensively, he just didn’t do what the Lakers needed him to do consistently, the Lakers need an athletic wing that can defend and hit the open three, Mickeal Pietrus maybe?

    The Lakers also need a PG who can actually defend and keep up with PGs on a nightly basis, Fisher is far too old and all year hes been the Lakers biggest liability, oh yes I’ve heard he hits clutch shots but maybe if he wasn’t a starter the Laker’s wouldnt be in those situations where they need a last second shot or clutch shot, and Blake who started out well completely fizzled out and just could not defend or do what he does best, shoot the ball.

    The Lakers also need a reliable bench, sure they have had their points in the season where they pulled through in games but outside of Odom, I cannot name one guy on the bench who was consistent the entire season. Brown started off the season hot shooting the ball but after a bit, he became inconsistent, Barnes was injured for a good part of the season, Blake as I stated earlier started off well and fizzled out, and then who else is left on the bench, Walton, Ratliff, Joe Smith? They were barely even in the rotation and did little to even help the Lakers this year. They need to improve their bench especially since Kobe and Pau are getting a year older and do need some rest from time to time.

    Interesting to see what the Lakers will do this offseason

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  • #529728
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    Steroid
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    Wow… The Lakers sure weren’t looking old when they were on that 17-1 run after the all-star break. I didn’t know players could age so much of a course of a few months. The problems are obviously chemistry and PG problems.

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  • #529761
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    booyah
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     honestly, the lakers are in a bad position to make a significant difference on their roster (ridiculous payroll). I only see pau gasol and lamar odom that are valuable trade options right now and the rest of the roster is basically crap (save artest). Blake and Barnes(he probably will opt out and go somewhere else for more money) can stay as they are serviceable backups (they had a bad year) Derek fisher needs to retire (he had a good run anyway), shannon brown can go (though i highly doubt anybody would want to sign him) along with joe smith and theo ratliff, and luke needs to be bought out. this leaves the lakers with

    */ Blake

    Kobe/ */*

    Artest/ Ebanks/ *

    Gasol/ */ *

    Bynum/ *

    * trade, off-season acquisition, or draft-pick

    I want the lakers to trade pau gasol and artest for iggy and lou williams and make a run for a solid back-up center like kyrylo fesenko or aaron grey. Next they will need an instant offense-type player off the bench like marshon brooks or scotty hopson to make up for lamar odom becoming a starter. The lakers also need to find a shooter in the draft like cam long or andrew goudelock and a solid wing defender (david lighty or jimmy butler) and then some additional frontcourt depth (matthew-bryan amaning or nikola vuvecic)

    revised roster:

    Lou Williams/ Blake

    Kobe/ Brooks or Hopson /Cam Long or Goudelock

    Iguodala/ Ebanks/ Lighty or Butler

    Odom/ Caracter/ Amaning or vuvecic

    Bynum/ Grey or Fesenko

    the lakers will have size, athletecism, shooters, defenders, and scorers off the bench…all they need to do is mesh and find a respectable coach…and ditch the frkn triangle offense

     

     

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  • #529768
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    Da1pot
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    It will be interesting to see if their new coach (whoever it may be) will run the Triangle offense

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  • #529866
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    I disagree with Magic saying this team should be broken up…Remember this is the same team that at the start of the season almost everyone said will win another ring this year..This is also the same team that struggled toward the end of the season and yet,everyone had them as favorites to win another ring this year..And this is the same team that dispite being down 2-0 then 3-0 still had alot of people saying they can be the 1st team to be down 3-0 and come back and win…So why break up a team with potential like that?

    I think Magic was right when he said this team have too many outside interests..But watching them during the playoffs i see alot of similarities to that 2004 Lakers team that had alot of inside turmoil with the players and the coach..Rumors have it that Kobe & Gasol arent getting along..Rumors have it that Gasol said he doesnt play well when Bynum is in the lineup…Something must be done to get these guys on the same page..And just like 2004 Phil was thinking about retiring back then also…

    They really must address their

    1.lack of outside shooting..The lack of perimeter shooting makes team sag in on their post players….And it makes things hard for a player like Pau who depends on his counter moves..

    2.they must get a point guard that is young,defensive minded and can hit outside shots..Becuz Fisher has gotten old and looked like he couldn’t guard Madea….

    3.they were almost last in fastbreak points..you would think the Lakers of all teams would be among the league leading in that category….

    4.improve their bench..Blake & Barnes were solid starters in Portland and Orlando.But struggled to found their roles in the triangle offense…

    5.I think its time to rid themselves of Artest and look into trading Fisher..Those are the only starters i think should be traded unless you can get Orlando to trade Dwight for Bynum and perhaps Odom…

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  • #529873
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    apb540
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     Great trade idea.  I would love to see the Sixers make that move if the Lakers were down.

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