Terrence Jones coming back to UK

well,somehow this draft keeps getting weaker

It is a good decision. His flaws got exposed. He isn’t a good perimeter shooter, he struggled in the post against bigger defenders, and he has no right hand. He probably would have been taken in the first round, but it would have had a rough go on an NBA court. Maybe with another year of work, he will be more ready.

The way he shot the ball and hogged it I thought he was showcasing for the NBA.

But good decision.

He could’ve went in the top 5 with an impressive workout…Now Kentucky will challenge UNC for the top preseason next season…It would be great for UK to have a vet to go along with those hotshot freshmen…

This draft is so weak….I expect alot of teams trading out of the lottery….

 KENNETH FARIED!

And the 11th pick

TOBIAS HARRIS!

Ugh, this draft sucks. And its not like we weill have a big controversy who goes 1st either to satisfy us, it’ll be Kyrie if the 1st team somewhat needs a PG or Williams if its a team like the Wizards 

 wow i’m completely shocked…..omg look at the UK starting lineup:

PG: Teague

SG: Lamb

SF: Gilchrist

PF: T. Jones

C: Anthony Davis

oh my faucking god, tell me that team doesn’t average atleast 80pts a game

"Ugh, this draft sucks. And its not like we weill have a big controversy who goes 1st either to satisfy us, it’ll be Kyrie if the 1st team somewhat needs a PG or Williams if its a team like the Wizards"

Terrence Jones didn’t make the draft any stronger.

This may make the draft weaker, but you have to admit college basketball next year will be nothing short of amazing.

Liggins has been told by he needs one more year from some guys at the NJ workout today.

He might be making an announcement to come back to UK as well.  Plus, they already have Darius Miller as well.

UK will have alot more depth than last year’s squad.

Kentucky, Kentucky,Kentucky, Calipari is a damn good recruiter, but now he needs to win a ring.

But the team will be beasty next year, will they win it all? Just have to see.

He is an inconsistent shooter with unusual form, he has no effective low post game. lacks a right hand, is too stiff to be a big time slasher or perimeter defender at the 3, but is undersized and lacks a great B-ball IQ for the 4.  He has potential to become a Thaddeus Young-type 4, though I have my doubts that he will be as good a Young, since Young is actually very efficient when he posts up and is more athletic than Jones.  I am not sure how much staying in school will help him.  He should improve, but he won’t be able to enter a draft as weak as this again.  Staying in school may cost him in the draft, but gives him a better chance to succeed in the NBA.

Terrence Jones needs a lot more work

If he wants to be an NBA 3 then he has to work his handle he needs a pull up jumper and he has to work on his quickness and strength the thing is he would of been a top 10 pick this year next year he will probably be top 20 with all the talent but he will probably lead this UK team in scoring

 Any talented played with potential staying hurts any draft

If you have size in college, then your chances of winning it all is great. Look at what Brian Zoubek did for duke two seasons ago.He wasnt a star, but his size caused alot problems for teams. Kentucky has size, athleticism, and length. This team along with Carolina will be tough to beat. Kentucky will on the glass defensively and offensively. If teague can live up to his help Kentucky will be great. If Teague falters, or is foul prone, there is no reliable backup pg on Kentucky roster. We saw the lack of depth at point guard haunt them this year.

Yea and Baylor def has that SIZE and talent

Baylor is definitely a team to watch out for. If nothing else they should be very exciting to watch. Great size and athleticism. Baylor should make some noise.

Stupid kids and their pursuit of education, don’t they know what’s important in life?

Someone doesn’t "One and Done" under Coach Cal shock.

This year’s draft has perhaps been hit harder than any others in recent years with players returning, we have seen one likely top 3 pick ( Barnes) two other guys who would surely have gone in 5 to 10 range at least ( Sullinger and Jones) and now another lottery pick in Terence Jones return.

Kentucky will be so loaded next year!

Is Brandon Knight still in the draft as he is only 18 years old and might be encouraged to return.

"Any talented played with potential staying hurts any draft"

Players who aren’t ready for the NBA do not strengthen a draft. Adding the number of project and ify prospects is insignificant to the quality of a draft.

 It doesnt matter if a player isnt ready now, he stil has to get drafted at some point and if he breaks out the team who drafted him will be happy. 

If a player down the road can be good and he leaves a draft, that takes away a player who down the road will be good. How is that not easy to get? That is the point of the draft, get young players who down the road will help your team. 

It does not take Terrence Jones away permanently, it takes off one year that he is not helpful to an NBA team. There is not a lacking of players who down the road can be good. The problem is that "can" does not ensure "will" and that the only certainty is that they will not be ready in year one. The good drafts have the "can be good" players further down. Those guys are always in massive supply and far exceed sixty draft slots. The players who actually are good determine whether the draft is strong or not.

esentially your saying if a player cant be good right now but he does have decent potential and him leaving the draft will not weaken it.

In simple form, your only thinking about the short term. Part of good drafts is that it has high ppotential project guys and when those guys leave it hurts the deph of the draft.

What I am saying is that Terrence Jones is not vanishing off the face of the earth. He is not NBA ready now. He would not have helped an NBA team next year. He has potential, but now instead of spending $1 million or more in the hopes that it comes to fruition a team will be able to watch him try to do so for free at Kentucky. If he takes a step forward, then he could be of value next year. That is an if with no assurances. If not, he is just another guy at a big school who can put it in non-conference games with little meaning. I have no problem finding a long list of guys in this draft who have potential. Some will get drafted, others will not. Jones did nothing to distinguish himself from that group after November. He was a 41.8 percent shooter and 29.7 percent from three in the SEC. He scored 15.9 points per game. For someone pegged as a small forward, he had a lousy assist-to-turnover ratio. He struggled to finish in the post. How did he strengthen the draft? What separated him from all the other forwards who did that? Simply because he was rated as a top 30 talent? John Riek, Saer Sene, Adam Morrison, and Pavel Podkolzin were all top 30 rated prospects too. Their presence never strengthened a draft either.

 Cause your taking a player with high potential off the board, your missing the whole aregument. You said he doesnt hurt this draft cause hes not ready right now which frankly makes 0 sense

Thaddeous Young wasn’t so great as a freshman and he had many flaws going into the draft

Also as far as the 10th and 11th pick…since when has those pick’s produced something special?..this draft may not have star power but it has alot of guys who can contribute just like the Curry Draft that people thought was gonna be one of the worst in history.

But WOW i did not expect Jones to come back

No, you don’t seem to value payroll or assets if you think there is any sort of special draft value in someone who is currently not good but may one day be. This draft has plenty of "high potential" players who will be little more than dead weight next season. Adding another name to that list does nothing for the draft because there are already sixty of those guys. They are interchangeable prospects more numerous than the total number of draft picks. It is the players who have more than just potential who determine the strength of the draft.

And no one knows if Jones would have done well or not in his first year We can throw out stats of guys who went first round and had potential and did well and others who didn’t do well. One fact is he would have went first round and possibly lotto thats for sure. I think coming back will definatly help his game though just like it would help anyoen else’s game that wouldn’t be getting major minutes in year one of the NBA

Wait, so who should be number 1 UNC or UK?

UK beat my boys in the tourney but they lose 2 of their main players (knight,Josh) but they gain 4 very very good players as well as get lamb and Jones back. UNC gains two very very good players, lose no one, and return thir starting 5

 Rookie money scale prevents any money issues so I dont see why you brought that up

to suggest 60 players this year have Jones’ potential is ludicrous and grasping for straws. This is a potential top 10 pick were talking, not a late 2nd rounder. 

When it comes to assets history shows even if a player becomes sort of a dead weight but he was touted as a guy with potential can still be traded for valuable pieces (big expirings-Brandan Wright, 1st round picks – James Johnson this year). Him not coming out takes away 1 extra trade piece a team would have had to include in a trade. 

" if you think there is any sort of special draft value in someone who is currently not good but may one day be."

I do because these high potential guys who arent ready right now still can be groomed in the NBA or be used as trade bait. Both are valuable in the NBA

" They are interchangeable prospects"

So your saying someone like Hansbrough is interchangable with Terrence Jones?Or Chris Wright?Or Mike Davis? That is bull

Smart move. With his current game, scouts would view Jones as a heavy tweener and could see him slipping into the 20’s.

there are a lot of players who went to school for 3-4 years that were not "ready" for the NBA when they got there.  Gary Payton, Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller, etc…were absolute stars in college but depending on your definition, it can be said that they were not "ready" for the NBA.  If you want to call out players who were NBA ready…thats Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Duncan.  Not Garnett, Kobe, McGrady, Granger, etc….whether you are ready immediately doesnt necessarily have a bearing on how good/great a player you WILL be.

 Its gonna be interesting to see who gets drafted in the later end of the second round…were gonna see names that wouldnt get drafted in a third round in a ‘strong’ draft

 I do think BTPH has a point in some respects. Jones returning does hurt this draft a little but only a little not that much. Because he wasn’t really ready for the NBA, if he did decide to stay in the draft it would hurt his stock because he would probably be a pick in the late lottery or mid first round, so moving another person who already has that same stock into the lottery is all it would take meaning the draft is really not hurt that much. I am not about to move players Kenneth Faried or Klay Thompson into the lottery just because Jones decided to return. I moved Marcus Morris into the lottery. But he was already considered a late lottery to mid first round pick just like Jones was. So moving him thier did little to hurt the draft. Yes, it hurt the draft a little, but not any more then this draft was hurt by Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones and Jared Sullinger deciding to return. Those 3 names deciding to return really hurt the draft, but Terrence Jones deciding to return only hurt the draft a little.

“So your saying someone like Hansbrough is interchangable with Terrence Jones?Or Chris Wright?Or Mike Davis? That is bull”

You used those names I did not. I am saying that right now Terrence Jones is not good enough to get on the floor. He would be anchored to the bench as a rookie, and assuming the CBA keeps the rules regarding the rookie scale the same, would be in a spot where whoever drafts him will have to think about whether or not they should pick up his third year option following a season where they spent between $1-4 million for him not to play. Earl Clark was a highly thought of prospect who wasn’t good enough to get on the floor in Phoenix, and had his option declined after his rookie season. Look back on it now, did he add anything to the draft? How about Joe Alexander? Terrence Williams? Hasheem Thabeet? Do you think Epke Udoh was a rock who strengthened last year’s draft? You want to judge prospects by rankings instead of having an actual thought. This started with nateoak ragging on the possibility of Tobias Harris going 11th in this draft. My point is that the idea of Terrence Jones going 11th would have been just as bad. Actually, Harris was a better player in SEC competition than Jones, which probably puts him a step ahead. Regardless, reaching on a player who cannot help a team is going to put the team in a position of wondering whether to pick up that option after the year. I can find 6’7” small forwards who can’t shoot from the perimeter and finish at a 42 percent clip in the SEC anywhere. They are all over the place. The strength of a draft is not judged by whether someone has the potential to be good. Josh Selby has potential, just as Avery Bradley had potential last year. It doesn’t mean Selby’s presence helps this draft. Jeremy Tyler has potential, but all he has done over the past two years is hang a sign around his neck that reads “Not Ready.” Jereme Richmond has potential to be good, but he has no shot and is an idiot. I don’t think for all the potential he has that he gets drafted even in this weak of a draft. Terrence Jennings and Greg Smith have potential, but Jennings has to learn that there is more to basketball than just trying to block shots and Smith has to be more than just a body. Throw Michael Dunigan in there with Smith. Lucas Nogueira is a twig who has been playing against children. Biyombo, Shermadini, and Valanciunas cannot avoid fouling, and I hope that x-ray on Biyombo’s wrist gives an explanation as to why he cannot catch passes cleanly. Jamine Peterson could be good if he developed a perimeter shot, showed any interest in defending, and would pass the ball occasionally. That seems an awfully lot like Terrence Jones. Demetri McCamey has the point guard size and vision, but he disappears randomly throughout the season. Why? I don’t know. He could be good, but after four years of that act the odds are against it. Malcolm Lee and Cory Joseph have the tools to be good, but can’t run the point and Jimmy Butler was excellent in his three years at Marquette and has solid small forward size, but he did it with the same androgynous positioning that made teams overlook Wes Matthews. If you want me to get to 60, I can do it. None of them would make me comfortable at 11. All have potential but also concerns. That is what a weak draft looks like. Just because people got all hot and bothered that Jones was good when teams didn’t have a scouting report on him doesn’t make him anymore special.

 No, I am not saying he is interchangeable, but you are by saying that he is one of the "60 guys that are not ready for the NBA" I agree with you there, but he is one of the better players. The fact that he still is a lottery pick puts him a step ahead of guys like Ben Hansbrough, Chris Wright or Mike Davis. That’s why him deciding to stay in school did hurt the draft a little bit, but he was not a top 5 draft prospect, so, no him returing to school did not hurt this draft class as bad as Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger or Perry Jones did, because they are all top 5 picks, while T. Jones is only a late lottery pick. You two fighting like this makes it seem like this is equal to Barnes, Sullinger or P. Jones returning to school when really its not. Yeah it hurts the draft but not as much the 3 above did when they returned. 

"The fact that he still is a lottery pick puts him a step ahead of guys like Ben Hansbrough, Chris Wright or Mike Davis."

I was unaware any draft already took place where Terrence Jones was a lottery pick. I don’t judge the strength of a draft based off someone else’s rankings. The strength of the draft to the NBA is whether players can join a team and contribute. If a player cannot do that, and I don’t see anyone arguing with my analysis of where he is as a player, then I don’t care where he is on someone’s bg board (Google Pavel Podkolzin, Adam Morrison, Hassan Whiteside, John Riek, Saer Sene, Alexis Ajinca, Maciej Lampe, PJ Ramos, Hasheem Thabeet, etc). I can click on Aran’s big board or Chad Ford’s big board and see their lists, but those lists are not determining factors on the strength of a draft. Before this season, every person and site wrote of this being the "Year of the Freshmen!" Well, the freshmen as a whole didn’t play well (Sullinger and a half-year of Barnes aside). They showed that they were not ready for the NBA. There is a reason that there are only seven NCAA freshmen in this draft and two of them (Richmond and Joseph) might not get taken. What only value of Terrence Jones right now is that he is a name who received a great deal of praise for games played without scouting reports, and I just am amazed by how people are just so married to rankings as if there was not a long and magical history of them being less than perfect.

Very good point. I don’t think he would have done much to contribute this year. Freshmen who don’t dominate or play very well for awhole season tend to struggle for awhile in the NBA. Two recent examples are Derrick Favors and Daniel Orton