crazy idea for drafting two lottery players

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are you david kahn? yes? pick all the point guards with your picks, if not then no

i agree David Kahn has begun posting on the forum.

 thanks so much for saying I am a genius!   who else turns beasely into a stud who else turns k- love into an all star  who else doesnt give up on darko    no one  he is pure genius and so am i!

13kayak’s idea may not be conventional, but this year it may have some merit. In a draft that most describe as week and lacking of talent at all why wouldn’t you load up on the deepest position. If you try a project at 2 different positions you may end up with 2 busts. When you are a lottery team that needs all the help you can get why wouldn’t you draft 2 points. Every night these teams have to play against D Will, Rose, Paul, Rondo. Thats just the top teir then you have Nash, Harris Holiday, Wall…the list goes on.

If you get one star out of this draft doubling up on points you have done the right thing by your franchise. If you end up with 2 you have a great asset to get yourself at the pointy end of next years drafts as well.

Before you load up 13kayak with negatives think about the pros and cons of his thinking in THIS draft.

the wow post of my morning lol

 1 problem though Nath09, is that PG is not the deepest position in this draft. There are four that could be lottery picks (Irving, Knight, Walker, and Jimmer) but after that it gets really weak. The next ones that could be taken are Nolan Smith, Shelvin Mack, Cory Joseph, Darius Morris and Josh Selby. They are all late first round to early second round picks. Then the list gets even worse with Demetri McCamey, Reggie Jackson, and Norris Cole. They are all mid second round picks. Afterwards you have two who could go late second round to undrafted in Brad Wanamaker and Andrew Goudelock. 

Now in that paragraph I did list a lot of PG’s but that does not necessarily mean that it is deep. They are very sparsely spread out throughout the draft. Not to mention there is really only one to maybe 3 who could be franchise PG’s. (Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker) After the PG’s are really mediocre and a hit and miss with who could be great and who could not. You want to see the position that this draft is deep at look at the positions that are not so sparsely spread out like SF’s and PF’s. I personally think that PF is the deepest position but their is certainly a fair argument for the SF as well. Here is a list of all the PF’s and SF’s in this draft along with where they are expected to be drafted:

SF

• Derrick Williams (Top 3)
• Terrence Jones (mid lottery)
• Kawhi Leonard (late lottery)
• Chris Singleton (mid first round)
• Tyler Honeycutt (mid first round)
• Tobias Harris (late lottery to mid first round)
• Kyle Singler (late first to early second)
• Chandler Parsons (early second to mid second round)
• Scotty Hopson (mid second to late second round)
• Jereme Richmond (mid second to late second round)
• Nikola Mirotic (late first to early second round)
• Davis Bertans (late second round)
• Jimmy Butler (late second round)
• Ravern Johnson (late second round

PF

• Enes Kanter (top 5)
• Jan Vesely (top 5 to mid lottery)
• Donatas Motiejunas (top 10)
• Tristan Thompson (late lottery)
• Marcus Morris (mid first round)
• Markieff Morris (mid first round)
• Trey Thompkins (mid first round)
• Kenneth Faried (mid first round)
• Jordan Williams (late first round)
• Jon Leuer (late first round)
• Jeremy Tyler (late first round)
• Jajuan Johnson (late first to early second round)
• Justin Harper (mid second round)
• Jamie Skeen (mid second round)
• Augusto Lima (late second round)

PG is certainly not the weakest position but it is certainly not the strongest either. Now on that note it is certainly not a bad idea to load up on the deepest position in a weak draft such as this. But PG is not the deepest position, either SF or PF is.

Note: I think Jordan Hamilton will turn out to be a SG so that is why he is listed with the SF. I also know that Enes Kanter thinks of himself as a forward and is most experienced therefore I listed him with the PF’s instead of leaving him off because he is a center. I also think that because Jan Vesely poor ball handling and bad free throw shooting he will end up being a PF, so that is why I listed him there instead of with the SF’s. I also think that because of Derrick Williams lack of height for the PF position and excellent outside shooting, he will become a 3 in the NBA, so that is why I listed him as 3 instead of a 4. There are obviously someother discrepensies about where I think certain players will end up, but the main point is that the PG is so sparsely spread out that the SF and PF become much deeper positions.

Im sorry it cant be khan because Khan would Draft Biyombo with the #1 pick- claiming he will be the  next  Bill Russell(which he will say in front of Bill Russell, while he interviews him) and he will bring 11 championhips to Minny.LMAO!!!… did I miss anything

scottoant93,

Last night I was thinking how if David Kahn DID pick Bismack he would turn into the next Saer Sene.  However, if he passed on Bismack then he would turn into the next Bill Russell.  LOL

There is not a team out there that couldn’t use him.  I could see him and Love working well together, say if the T-Wolves dropped to 3 or 4.  Cousins and Bismack could be awesome together.

There aren’t too many guys I would take over Bismack without thinking.  Maybe Derrick Williams.  Maybe Kyrie Irving.  If the Cavs fall to 3 or 4 and Williams and Irving are off the table then I can see them taking Bismack with their pick and then taking the best available player at 8.  At 8, Jimmer might still be there, or even Kemba Walker.  Alec Burks could be there, and maybe Motie falls that low. 

I think a lot of teams can either go big or small in the draft.  I can see the Wizards and Kings going for a guard and I can see them going for a big man.  It just depends.  Bismack would be a BEAST next to Cousins.  I could even see the Jazz trading Derrick Favors to the Bobcats or the Bucks for their 1st round draft pick then taking Bismack Biyombo.  Then with their 12th pick (with Bismack and possibly Knight at 6 already on board) they can draft Burks if he falls, or Jimmer or Kemba if they are still there.  If not, Kawhi Leonard would be a good fit at small forward. 

Regarding those 4 point guards.  In an earlier draft I had the Jazz taking Brandon Knight at 6 and Jimmer Fredette at 12.  I think that Brandon Knight would be a great point guard for their system (good size, great shooter, smart player) and then Jimmer Fredette would be an ideal sixth man coming off the bench (great shooting touch, great one-on-one scoring skills) who can either handle the ball or play off the ball, coming off screens or spotting up for threes.  Or they could play both Knight and Fredette at the same time with both being great outside threats and with Knight having decent enough size to play the 2.  Those would be great picks for them at 6 and 12.

The Cavs have two picks and if they take Kyrie Irving at 2 then they need to take the best guy they can find at 8.  If Bismack, Motie, and Burks are all gone then I think they should take a look at Kemba Walker or Jimmer Fredette as a 6th man.  The Cavs need help everywhere (although I think JJ Hickson, Sideshow Andy, and Ryan Hollins are decent pieces up front) with only one good go-to scorer (Antawn Jamison).  They might be better off waiting until next year to find a great wing player.  I think Jimmer would be a great scorer off the bench for them.  Or they could go small with Jimmer at the 2.  

An interesting thing about this lottery is that a few of the teams already have two good guards.  The Wizards have John Wall and Jordan Crawford, the Kings have Tyreke Evans and Marcus Thornton, and the Warriors have Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry.  So I think that those teams need to consider getting the best guard available so they could have a great 3 guard rotation or a possible great small lineup with three guards.  The Wizards also have two promising big men in Blatche and McGhee so they might need to go with a versatile wing.  Alec Burks might be the best guy for them to draft even though he will probably play the 2 either starting with Wall or coming off the bench.  If Burks falls and is still on the board when the Warriors draft at 11 then I think they should take Burks.  I have the Kings taking Bismack at 5, rolling the dice that he and Cousins pay well together and form an awesome front court combo, but I can see them taking Brandon Knight which would essentially give them a 3 guard rotation.  I can also see the Kings taking Jimmer who gives them a 3 point threat and another good one-on-one player.  I think Kemba is very talented but I am not sure that he is the shooter they need, and I am not sure that he and Tyreke would fit in well. 

If the Cavs drop to 4 and 8 then I think they should consider Brandon Knight at 4 and then Burks, Kemba, and Jimmer at 8 (whoever is there).  Bismack, Motie, and Vesely might all be gone by 8.  A Brandon Knight-Kemba Waker backcourt would be deadly.  Both can score, with Kemba better one-on-one with Knight being the better outside shooter.  But, both are clutch and are basically GUARDS, neither a real prototype 1 or 2.  Kemba has a Big East Championship and an NCAA Championship.  Knight has a SEC Championship and a Final Four under his belt.  Both are winners.  Each of them could learn from Baron Davis.  If any team can get away with playing essentially 2 starting point guards with another one off the bench it would be a young, rebuilding team like the Cavs.  In the second round they could get their normal shooting guard with size and a good 3 point shot.  Maybe David Lighty or Jon Diebler.  Knight, Walker, and Lighty would be a good guard rotation for the future.  With a guard rotation set, then they can go after a great scoring wing in next year’s draft (maybe Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones).  Also, how cool would it be to have a Knight-Lighty back court.  lol

A team cannot draft solely on need, but they cannot draft and put players in a position to fail. Taking two point guards in the lottery (the David Kahn super genius move) put Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio in a horrible position. If Flynn excelled (and judging him to harshly over the season he just had coming off hip surgery might not be too wise), then they would essentially have to deal Rubio from a position of weakness (Rubio would never come over to just be a backup). If Flynn was mediocre or bad (and if one believes the season he had last year is telling…), they have a chance to get Rubio to come over, but also are saddled with a guy making lottery slot who didn’t play up to the money and pick.

 and I was specifically thinking about the jazz and cavs all along  since they are the two teams that are in position to actually draft two of the top four.  you guys are proving my theory that not only are points irrelevant but the posters like us that have negative points might be better than the ones with positive, not everyone can understand our level of thinking.you guys just made my negative points all star team.

If I have the opportunity to draft any two point guards i want, I would draft Kyrie Irving, and after that, it is a toss up between Kemba Jimmer and Knight. Personally, I would take Irving, then trade the pick to the timberwolves, and con/negotiate with Khan to get away with Beasley and their next number 1 for -a young player whom every body thinks has upside, except we know he is not that good, and won’t pan out (example: Rodriqe Beaubois)- and that second number one we were talking about. Khan drafts Jimmer, and Ricky Rubio gets sick just from the news. Rubio reluctantly comes over to the NBA and splits time with Flynn and Fredette. Of the three, neither can out play Derek Fisher, and the Timberwolves go 0-3 while Knight and Walker become all stars,a dn Kevin Love leaves via free agency, and assuming they picked Derrick Williams with the number 1, he has an Oden like first four years, then leaves and goes to someplace like the Clippers, and turns in to an MVP type player, all while the T-wolves attempt to go 0-82. The shocking part, THEY STILL WON’T FIRE KAHN!!!!!!!!!