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- Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:34am #28402

paradigmnParticipantI know everyone must be BISMACK BIYOMBO’d out by now, I know I am…lol…but I thought it would be interesting to post the stats from his 2010-2011 season in the Spanish ACB and LEB leagues. The Spanish ACB league is considered by many to be the top league in the world, outside the NBA and the LEB league is the second league of the ACB. These are his stats from the LEB league… http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Spain&Team=10083&Page=3…his shooting percentage is good at 59%(not foul-shooting)…averaging nearly 2 blocks in 21 minutes which is outstanding, but he’s also averaging 3.2 turnovers as well as nearly 3 fouls a game all in limted minutes…thats definitely a red flag. These are his stats from the ACB league…http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Spain&Team=1993&Page=3…his shooting percentage is good once again as well as averaging 5 rebounds and 2.6 blocked shots(amazing) in 16 minutes of play. Unfortunetly he’s also averaging 2 turnovers as well as 2 personal fouls in 16 minutes of play. The sample size is small for this kid (only 28 games) but it basically confirms what many people thought about him. He’s a defensive beast as well as a rebounding machine who has limited offensive skill set and is likely to be in foul trouble because of his agressive shot blocking nature. Very similar to a Ben Wallace as he’s been compared to. Wether he deserves to be a lottery pick or not I don’t know, but maybe after analyzing these stats some of you will have a better idea of who BISMACK BIYOMBO is.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 4:57am #526103

mikeyvthedonParticipant14 games! Yes, he has been impressive in his limited minutes, and his efficiency has been solid, but he played less than half of the season. Not to mention, the guys who he is playing behind may be grizzled vets, but they could not hack it in the NBA. I am not saying he needed to be a star, that would be way too much too ask of a player who regardless of his age, is still raw. But, his putting up those numbers in no way means he is the superstar prospect people are making him out to be.
His motor is impressive, as is his attitude, and he was playing against competition that was stronger than most of the NCAA players were up against. But, he was a bench player who had limited minutes, and if you indeed look at his entire teams statistics, he was not exactly a piece they were dying without. His shot blocking and length are what make him so intriguing, he could be a good defender, but will he be able to keep up with quicker and bigger PF’s in the NBA?
All of this should be taken into account. It is incredibly hard to judge whether a player who has played in Europe as a role player will produce in the NBA. It seems to be much easier for big guys to pick up numbers at a young age than guards. Biyombo is an intriguing prospect, I could see him being a potentially decent role player, but I will say, buyer beware.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 5:02am #526108

paradigmnParticipantHe’s defintely a gamble…like nba scouts say though…"you cant teach length"…and his 7’7” wing span alone will trick some GM into drafting him higher than he should be drafted.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 6:36am #526142
SwatLakeCityParticipantThis is why I think he will be a lottery pick. He’s getting a lot of noise from GM’s, and some of it isn’t deserved but that doesn’t GM’s don’t like him. The draft is all about who GM’s like and who they is gonna be good in the NBA. And let’s face it some GM’s think Bismack will be a monster in the NBA. And a lot of them probably do because of that triple double he had at the Nike Hoop Summit. Some will be impressed by his stats (I know I am, yet I think he’ll be a bust), but what they don’t realize is that he’s playing behind people who couldn’t make the NBA before him. If he is playing behnd those players than how does he expect to make it to the NBA. What does he have that they don’t? Obviuosly not too much if he isn’t starting. He will make some noise and he will be drafted in the lottery, but that doesn’t mean he will be a star. He could just as well be a bust even if he is a lottery pick.
I’ll end this post with a statistic just to prove what I am saying. The last person to even come close to getting a triple double in the Nike Hoop Summit was Saer Sene in 2006. He ended up being picked 10th by the Sonics. Most of you probably don’t even recognize that name, yet he was two blocks away from getting a triple double at the Nike Hoop Summit! And that is exactly my point. Just because Biyombo got a triple double at the Summit does not mean he will be a star in the NBA, he could just as well be a bust.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 7:14am #526158

i’m jus so offendedParticipantI’m really high on him and think he can become a really solid pro, not right away. 1st, he is playing behind proven veterans in Europe and from my limited knowledge, I feel like European teams are more about winning right now over developing young talent, as seen by Jonas and Donatas limited minutes as well. 2nd, I don’t get all this commotion about his fouls. Lets say he’s getting a lot of minutes. In the LEB league, lets say all his stats and minutes are doubled. He would foul out in 42 mins in the NBA but he’s not going to play that much at first. He would average around generously 18pts, 12reb, 4blks. In the ACB league, lets say we also double his minutes. According to his production, he would average 12pts, 10reb and 5blks, while only accumulating 4 fouls in 32 mins. I think the fouls thing is a moot point. As we’ve seen this playoffs, tons have guys have gotten in foul trouble. Perk, Nene, Boozer, etc…it’s about how productive you can be in those more limited minutes after you have to go to the bench. Now I’m not saying his averages would be that high in those Spanish leagues if he played more, its just estimates based on his stats currently with getting more burn. You don’t have to be a star to be a lottery pick or even a top 10 pick, as OJ Mayo was the 4th pick and has been a valuable piece off the bench for the Griz and still has a lot of potential. THAT IS NOT a comparison, I’m just saying I’m not afraid to use a Top 10 pick on him with his defensive potential, his jumper has decent mechanics, and if he’s 21 so what, so is the Morris twins and Jimmer. NBA coaching can do wonders on players who are committed and this kid seems to have a great attitude. It’s not his fault everyone is hyping him up so much, imo he’s just going to keep his head down, work hard and prove doubters (like Oh Canada lol) wrong.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:22am #526194

ProudGrandpaParticipantI want to carve his and my name into a tree together inside of a heart with an arrow in it. Then I want to marry him and go vacationing in the Bahamas and drink from the same milkshake.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 8:55am #526208
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Morris twins couldn’t have gotten a triple double (with blocks) in the Nike Hoops Summit game this year.
Bismack played very well against a lot of guys who will be in the NBA draft next year and the year after that. So he performed very well against his peers.
His upside is Ben Wallace which would be FANTASTIC. I think that is worth a number 5-15 pick. A guy that is in your 3 big man rotation and can really make a difference.
Worst case, he will be like Joey Dorsey. This year Mr. Dorsey played only 12.1 minutes a game but averaged 4.4 rebounds. He only had 0.4 blocks which sounds very low for him. He was a great shot-blocker at U of M. He is old for a power forward he is already 27 but he only completed his fourth year in the NBA. In a game against the Bucks he had 20 rebounds in 33 minutes. In three other games he had 13 rebounds. In 12.1 minutes he averaged .6 steals which is not too bad. Never known as a scorer, Dorsey averaged 3.1 points on 52.5% from the field which isn’t terrible in a limited amount of minutes.
With those stats he would have averaged 9.3 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, and 1.8 steals in 36 minutes a game. I think Bismack can give a team similar stats in similar minutes. Probably more blocks and perhaps closer to 1.0 to 1.5 steals a game. If Bismack could also average 52%-55% shooting then he will be a major force in this league.
Every team needs a solid defensive anchor who can rebound at a high level. That’s why he is worth a lottery pick.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:31am #526218

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantJoey Dorsey, 6.2 PFs per 40 over his NBA career
Ben Wallace, 2.6 PFs per 40 over his NBA careerMan, I can’t imagine why one player was able to be a 30+ minute guy for his career and the other struggles to stay in a rotation. It is just one of those great questions that cannot possibly be answered.
BTW, the US squad Sene swatted shots on had Kevin Durant, Ty Lawson, Thaddeus Young, Gerald Henderson, and Spencer Hawes on it. Clearly, that showing of dominance in an exhibition game meant a ton for Sene.
Marcus Morris, 19-8-2 on 59 percent shooting in the Big Twelve. Markieff Morris, 14-8-1.6-1.4 on 63 percent shooting in the Big Twelve. Clearly, they’d struggle against high schoolers because it is a well known fact that high school legends always transition seemlessly to college and the NBA. It is amazing that the Morris twins put up the numbers he did on a squad that had Josh Selby because he was God’s gift to high school basketball.
0- Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 10:02am #526229
Memphis MadnessParticipantI don’t see either of those Morris guys getting 10 blocks in ANY game. They might not be able to go for 10 blocks COMBINED.
Markieff and Marcus Morris should be good NBA players. I don’t see either of them being an all-star or being a top rebounder or shot-blocker though.
I wonder where VCU would rank in that Spanish league. You know, the team that beat Morris Twins University (MTU) in the tournament? lol
The Morris Twins could be this generation’s Grant brothers (Horace and Harvey). That would be very good. But neither has a projected comparison of Ben Wallace. I think all three of those guys get drafted around 5 to 15, but each guy brings something different to the table.
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- Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 9:32am #526217

OhCanada-ParticipantThe ACB is a vastly overrted league. Those Greek teams would plow through the ACB.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 04/28/2011 - 10:04am #526231

OhCanada-ParticipantBiyambo averages 1.6 turnovers per 6 points, and 2 fouls per 5 rebounds, 2.3-blocks, and 0.4-steals.
Heres some players he has been compared too. Garnett and Howard very unrealistic comparisions. I will project how his fouls and turnvers look when his points and rebounds are multiplied to thier totals.
Dwight Howard averages 3.1-turnovers per 18-points, and 3.2-fouls per 13-rebounds over his career.
For Biyambo it would be 4.8-turnovers per 18-points, and 5.2-fouls per 13-rebounds.Kevin Garnett averaged 2.4-turnovers per 19.5-points, and 2.5-fouls per 11-rebounds.
For Biyambo it would be 5.2-turnovers per 19.5-points, and 4.3-fouls per 11-rebounds.Now I wll do the same with some more reasonable comparisons yet still farfetched including blocks. For Ben wallace I used his last year in Detroit to project because tat is the Ben people are talking about, and and steals was an average year in Detroit just to be fair.
Ben Wallace averaged 1.1-tunrnovers per 7.3-points, and 2-fouls per 11 rebounds, 2-fouls per 2.2-blocks and 2-fouls per 1.8-steals.
For Biyambo it would be about 2-turnovers per 7.3-points, and 4.3-fouls per 11-rebounds, 1.9-fouls per 2.3-blocks and 9-fouls per 1.8 -steals.The only time he showed any better stat projection was through blocks. He blocked a very similar ratio to blocked shots as Ben Wallace, but in much less time. Some people will say that is an encouraging stat showing his shot blocking skills, other will say how foul prone he is. In reality its both, he is aggressive which leads to fouls, yet if he is not aggressive he will not get those blocked shots. Players like that do alot of sitting on the bench.
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