Similarities in Fredette’s game

 u might as well compare Jimmer to Ray Allen boston version,that may be the best comparison for him lol

I think a less athletic Allen Iverson is a good comparison.  Jimmer is probably stronger in the upper body than Iverson though.  But I don’t know how much that matters.

Now, Kemba reminds me of AI a lot, as I am sure most here have already said.

I think Jimmer has a lot of the same abilities, maybe the first step isn’t as good though.

Jimmer’s scoring/shooting game is more like Steve Nash’s.  He can hit from deep, drive to the basket and hit tough floaters, hit off-balance mid-range shots.  Jimmer looks slightly stronger.  Speed wise, I am not too sure who is faster.  Jimmer can handle the ball, but Nash is a better passer.  But, I am sure that if Jimmer had an Amare type player to pass the ball to, I am sure he could get a decent amount of assists. 

Neither Jimmer or Nash is noted for their defense.  Nor are they noted for their dunking ability but both can (sometimes).

In his college career, Steve Nash averaged 4.5 assists per game.  Jimmer averaged 4.3 assists his senior year.  In Nash’s last 3 years in college he averaged 3.7, 6.4, and 6.0 assists per game.  In Jimmer’s last 3 he averaged 4.1, 4.7, and 4.3 assists a game.  In Nash’s senior year he had 39 steals in 29 games.  Jimmer had 49 in 37 games.  Average of 1.3448 for Nash.  An average of 1.3243 for Jimmer.  So pretty close there.

In Nash’s last 3 seaons at Santa Clara he averaged 2.5, 3.8, and 3.5 rebounds a game.  In Jimmer’s last 3 year’s at BYU he averaged 3.0, 3.1, and 3.4 rebounds a game.  Fairly similar.

Ok, what about assist/turnover ratios?  Yeah, Jimmer had a BAD senior year with an assist/turnover ratio of 1.22.  Ok, what about Jimmer’s best A/T year compared with Nash’s top year?  In Nash’s senior year he averaged a career best A/T ratio (174/103) of 1.6893.  In Jimmer’s junior season he had a career best A/T ratio (159/93) of 1.7097.  Very comparable, with a slight edge to the Jimmer.

College career block totals?  Nash, a grand total of 7 for his entire career.  Jimmer had 12.  Jimmer with the advantage. 

As far as shooting/scoring goes, Nash averaged a career best 20.9 points per game his junior year and 17.0 his senior year.  In Jimmer’s last two years he went for 22.1 points and 28.9 points a game.  As a senior Nash shot 43% from the field, 34.4% from 3 and 89.4% from the line.  Jimmer shot 45.2% from the field, 39.6% from 3, and 89.4% from the line.  Not a whole lot of difference there, but a slight edge to Jimmer.  They shot the same from the line but Jimmer made more than twice as many free throws in his senior year.  Jimmer’s best year from the 3 was his junior year when he made 44.0%.  As a junior Nash shot a career-best 45.4% from 3.  Very similar stats once again.

I think style-wise, most would think that Jimmer’s game isn’t really like Nash.  But if you look at the stats from the college they are very similar.  As far as shooting and scoring go they are VERY VERY similar.  Nash had more total assists, but similar to Jimmer’s career assist/turnover ratio.  Steals are close.  Jimmer got to the line more and converted a very high number. 

Nash is listed at 6-3, 195 lbs.  Jimmer is listed at 6-2, 195 lbs.

link to Nash’s career stats (pro’s and college): http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

link to Jimmer’s college stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36409

Very interesting comparison with Nash. Looking at them play, I think the main difference is that Nash is a touch taller and was a touch quicker (not sure if 30+ year old Nash is still quicker than 22 year old Jimmer, probably not). That adds up to some serious physical advantages. But the stats are definitely in Jimmer’s favor. I think though that Nash was only scratching the surface of his talent in college. Do you think he was getting elite training in high school?  Nash would get better and better at basketball and finally develop a style of play that makes him and his team very successful. Jimmer has gotten where he has gotten with fantastic work ethic. And that work ethic was applied in some very interesting and successful training techniques, training that he has already been doing for more than a decade. That is a good thing, but it worries me that he has peaked as a player. Now he might be good enough. I certainly think he will make it in the NBA. But consider that this is a guy who was doing plyometrics and speed training as a 10 year old, how can there be anything left to improve at this point?

go to youtube watch iverson play then go watch mark price play then go watch jimmer.  You will see he is basically the same guy as mark price.  I dont really see all that much similarites to nash either to be honest. 

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Jimmer’s ceiling is a Steve Nash type player.  That’s a pretty high ceiling.  He’s not a Derrick Rose, that is not his game.  Jimmer is a great shooter and can create offense.  I think the small guards in this class are all about equal (Irving, Knight, Kemba, Jimmer, Knight).  They can all be very good.  Jimmer is the best pure shooter and three point shooter of those guys.  Jimmer and Kemba are the best pure scorers.  Kemba is better at the rim.  Jimmer is crafty all over the place.  Knight has the height, and Irving has the look of an all-around point guard.  But I am not sure if Irving is fast enough.  Is he as fast as John Wall or D-Rose?  I am not sure.  I think Irving’s game relies on speed more than those other guys.  A red flag for me is that Irving had his best SCORING game against Arizona and his team got BLOWN OUT.  For whatever reason, he didn’t take over the game like Kemba did in his games.  

Of those 5 guys, Kemba and Jimmer were the best at taking over a game.  I actually like Kemba more than Kyrie Irving.  In a previous thread several weeks ago I compared Kemba to Isiah Thomas.  A leader, a great scorer with great one-on-one moves, great handles, can pass, NCAA champion.

Kemba comparisons are Isiah Thomas, Tim Hardaway, Ben Gordon, and a young Gilbert Arenas.

Jimmer comparisons are Steve Nash, Mark Price, Steph Curry, and Dana Barros.

I think people here are underrating Kemba Walker. 

People are reallying hyping up Jimmer.  He will not live up to the hype but if he drops to mid first as a role player, he could be really solid.  He needs to go to a team that has enough defense to cove him and have a slashing or inside threat where he can get wide open 3’s.  I am not comparing him to Korver but I think his role in the NBA will be similiar because they are both knock down perimeter shooters.  Jimmer is obviously more skilled but Korver is taller which matters a lot for a 2 guard. 

I just don’t see Jimmers as a point guard.

Adam Morrison.

If Jimmer ends up being the next Mark Price then some team is going to be very very happy with their draft pick. Getting a guy who makes All-NBA team three or four times would be very nice for the 10th pick in the draft. If Jimmer is as good Steph Curry, then some team is going to get a steal.

Really Jimmer is probably too slow to be highly effective in the NBA. I think Nash was much faster and is possibly still faster. I don’t think Jimmer will flame out like Morrison, but there are a lot of statistical similarities between them in their college careers.

 While Nash and Jimmer have similiar stats they are different players, because Nash looks to set up other players and has the ultimate point guard mentality and Jimmer plays as a shooting guard looking to score and I dont think Jimmer could develop the point guard and leadership albities of a Nash so I think that comparison is a bit off.

haha mcdunkin that is hilarious and most likely true.

"While Nash and Jimmer have similiar stats they are different players, because Nash looks to set up other players and has the ultimate point guard mentality"

People really do forget that Steve Nash wasn’t the pure PG he has been with the Suns when he played for the Mavs. Nash was a score-1st PG before he was in D’Antoni’s system. I see Fredette as the same type of player. A guy who can score but is a decent playmaker for others too. I don’t think his game is much different than Steve Nash when he played for Dallas at all really. He’s not the same EXACT player, but who is? I don’t see why it’s such a bad comparison.

Here is a little excerpt from a 1996 draft preview. It seems that Nash had a lot of people really excited about his game because they were talking about him going top 3. As people in this forum probably know, this is one of the strongest drafts ever with Iverson, Kobe, Camby, Ray Allen, Antoine Walker, Stojakovic, Kittles, Marbury, Jermaine O’Neal, Big Z, and Derek Fisher. So pretty impressive that they were talking about Nash going ahead of a lot of those guys.

Steve Nash, 6’3 PG Santa Clara
Coming out of a small school Nash is still considered the best pure point guards entering this years draft. He has the potential to be an amazing passer and ball handler. It is unknown how high he can be selected but depending on the team he could go in the top 3 or fall all the way to the bottom part of the lottery.