Barnes Returning to UNC

SuM-Un-A-BiSh!!!!!!

This is extremely discouringing. Outside of top two nobody in the draft is a gaurenteed NBA ready. Imo it makes very little difference if your selecting 4-8. Maybe even 3-8. This drafts sucks the big one.

 This is looking as the most disappointing draft. On the bright side next draft is going to be epic 

You are a guaranteed top 5 pick and go back to school?? Really?? Just get picked and, if the lockout happens, move to Europe and get $2M in a professional league that plays a higher level basketball than the NCAA, then come back and start your NBA career. What if (I hope not..) he gets hurt really bad next year or just f**ks up a season? This is just dumb. Ask Aldrich, he was gonna be picked 7th as a worst case scenario, went back to school, didn’t win a thing and now he isn’t even playing because the Thunder are just too good for him.

I would understand if he was going all the way to the degree, I would have definitely a lot of respect for that, but come on…he is going to drop school in 12 months. 

like scott van pelt said on his show the other day why not wiht a long lock out looming go back too college and enjoy the college life i do understand as well that barnes would have been a top 5 pick maybe even the no 1 pick but imo the players just dont wanna risk setting out so long wiht the lock out looming and sum kids just wouldnt wanna go to europe

When it comes to Sullinger, Barnes, Zeller, Henson, Nogeira, Klay Thompson, Kris Joseph, John Jenkins, Will Buford,  (maybe Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson and Jordan Hamilton), who were all likely to be at the very least the end opf the 1st round selections somone is bound to unfortunatly get hurt.

Add in Reggie Jackson, Darius Morris, Iman Shumpert as possible first rounders and you have about 15 players who could have easily slipped into the 1st round or lotto positions for some that may end up regretting their decisions.

Some of these guys I understand their decision to not go eligible but guys like Nogeira, Sullinger, Barnes, Henson, Thompson, Hamilton, and Morris I just dont get it.

actually i start to believe that Barnes could stay in college even for three year..he really talks a lot about making history in UNC and being graduated 

Oh well, I hope he improves his handle in the off-season and driving game. If he stagnates I can see teams favouring a younger prospect who doesn’t look like he’s maxed out. UNC has a good chance of winning it this year with McAdoo incoming as well.

 This is weird, i’ve never would of imagined so many top prospects would be returning to school, I understand we might be on the rim of a lockout, but still…

At this rate, Jamie Skeen might be a lottery pick lmao

Super excited for Barnes coming back. This year were gonna have a superstar team. A full season of Kendall Marshall? I’m about to faint.

"This is looking as the most disappointing draft. On the bright side next draft is going to be epic"

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Of course it will be, highly thought of prep players always translate seemlessly to college.

Bothteamsplayhard, I always read the forums before I signed up and thought you were one of the better posters, can you answer this

What’s stopping alot of kids from skipping the draft next season? Like a Anthony Davis or other highly rated guys looking next year and saying " Too much talent, I might not be a lotto pick" and stay for another year?

Yeah, he could have been drafted top 3 overall, but let’s be real. His team has a very real shot at winning a national title next year, and with the uncertainty of a lockout looming, it doesn’t surprise me that he went back despite his high draft status. More power to him.

The whole "one-and-done" theme is epically overblown by college basketball coaches. Blaming the NBA for everything that goes wrong with college basketball is a proven winner for those guys. It creates a false narrative that goes unchecked.

Last year- 7 freshmen in the first round, 10 overall (though Tiny Gallon had to leave because the NCAA was going to investigate the money he took)

2009- 4 freshmen in the first round, 4 overall

2008- 10 freshmen in the first round, 12 overall (though Bill Walker was a RS freshman)

2007- 8 freshmen in the first round, 8 overall

2006- 2 freshmen in the first round, 2 overall (Tyrus Thomas was a RS freshman)

If this isn’t the most poorly constructed conversation in sports. Just about every year, really good players choose to return to college when they could have left and been taken highly. Turner, Monroe, and Aldrich could have left a year before they did and been safely in the lottery. Warren and Brackins returned only to leave after bad years. Guys like Sanders, George, and Ebanks were debatable prospects after 2009 as well. Blake Griffin was a lottery pick after his freshman year. Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, and Stephen Curry were probably first round picks in 2008 had they chose to leave. Even Hansbrough might have been a first round pick. Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, Brandon Rush, and D.J. Augustin chose to return in 2007. In 2006, all the Florida guys chose to stick around. LaMarcus Aldridge was a considered to be a stunner to return for his sophomore year. It happens every year, but the NBA doesn’t cry about players staying in school. It only goes the other way.

This year, there will probably be between five and ten. Jereme Richmond probably was forced out of Illinois. Enes Kanter, obviously, has no choice. But it was not as if the freshmen were setting the NCAA on fire, so most of the freshmen shouldn’t declare. While being a mediocre college player did not hurt Josh Selby’s confidence, it does a lot of guys. The same guys who are amazed by Biyombo’s play off the bench in Spain for a team that only elevated him because they had to sell off a center were thinking Patric Young was a draft stud as well. Good for Patric Young to realize that if he isn’t good enough to wrestle minutes from Tyus and Macklin that he isn’t going to be ready for the NBA. Good for him to know that committing fouls at the rate he was showed how green he was at his supposed specialty. Good for all the fat centers to realize it is not normal to need to be taken out every five trips up the court because they are tired. Even Jones played like a freshman all year. He clearly had physical gifts, but he deferred to his older teammates and was tentative. He struggled fitting into the offense and also with a college zone defense, which does not bode well for the next level at all. I have no problem with guys leaving early, but there is usually a reason why guys fail to excel in college and it tends to reappear in the pros too.

This draft is down right ugly, I think there are only 10 players or so that could be considered having a good chance of being good to star level.

I just hope the Raptors can get the top 3 pick to draft one of Irving, Derrick Williams, or Jonas Valanciunas.

Earlier, I thought this draft would be on 2006 Draft level, but now it looks even worse.  However, it should still be better than the 2000 Draft.

Barnes was also the preseason NPOY as a freshman, first time ever. We all saw how he failed to live up to expectations. Barnes was also projected to be the #1 draft pick in 2011.

Barnes going back to unc for try it again. preseason NPOY and #1 draft pick in 2012. Will he will the National Douche Bag of the Year again?

Hope he gets half as many shots per game as this year, with Bullock, McAdoo expecting touches.  Draft stock will definately drop.  Dumb move.

Barnes wanted to be the first player to ever win back to back Preseason NPOY awards.

preseason awards = nothing

I cant tell someone what they should do,but i thought he should’ve turned pro…

At the start of the season he was considered the 1st overall pick..Then after the 1st month of the season he played poorly..By December alot of mock draft sites had removed his name completely from their mocks..After coach Williams inserted Marshall as the starting pg Barnes game picked up..And in a weak draft he possibly couldve been number 1…

Sometimes when a team is loaded with talented players they get together and put into each others head that if they all return and they can win a title..UNLV did it 20 years ago and failed to win back to back titles…

I hope Harrison lights it up next year and they win a National Championship.  The kid clearly cares a lot more about winning and having a legacy than he does about money, and IMO, thats fucking awesome.  Huuuuuge Harrison Barnes fan to begin with so it’s pretty cool to know that we are going to be able to watch him play B-Ball before January…. 

but really who is gonna want to move up or give anything up for this crop. Horrible draft. I agree Reggie Jackson from BC should come out cause he will be moving up in this draft class.

Any propects who think they would go mid-1st to mid-2nd in any other draft should come out this year.  Mid-1st guys would go lottery, late 1st would go mid-1st, early~mid 2nd rounder may crack the 1st round.  This is the best year for average players to be drafted 10~15 spots higher than they should in a regular draft.  Some 2nd round hopeful would probably get into 1st round.

If the NBA do not up the age limit and change the rule to two and done, the 2012 Draft will be so deep that some lottery pick might have got late teens and some decent 1st round players may go mid 2nd. 

 I don’t think some of you guys understand the Carolina Way. Very rarely do we recruit guys who come in and expect the keys to be handed to them. By very rarely, I mean they don’t show that at all during high school and then become a complete ass in college.

By all accounts, Bullock, McDonald, and Hariston are fine coming off the bench if it better for the team. McAdoo was coming off the bench, even if Barnes didn’t return. Post depth>stronger starting lineup, under Roy’s philosophy. There was no possible way we would bring Hubert as the first post player off the bench.

Freshman have to earn their way unless there was a mass-exodus to the NBA the year before or the returning talent level is very average. Both of which are rare cases. Even then, top talent usually have to win the starting lineup as shown with Lawson over Frasor, and so on.

Roy doesn’t overuse talent, being that he has a big rotation if there is that much talent on the team. That is actually a gripe of mine, but the guy has coached any more games than I have.

This is where the college game is different from the NBA. Also why Roy could never succeed as an NBA coach, among other reasons. Of course, some coaches take the NBA approach like Calipari. That obviously works some, and is very appealing to a lot of recruits. It’s usually why Kentucky and North Carolina rarely go after the same recruit, even though they are both Blue Bloods and going after top 10 recruits.

Barnes on Calipari

"How has the departure of John Calipari from Memphis to Kentucky impacted you? It hasn’t really. He’s a good coach. I don’t know if I like the way they’re doing things right there now though. Seems like he left Memphis kind of in a bad situation and then guys at Kentucky are getting their scholarships taken back. I don’t know yet. It’s a competitive place though, you know college basketball, and it’s only getting more and more competitive."

Listen and read Barnes’ interviews. He’s thinks differently than most top recruits.

"I look forward to meeting the challenging journey in the NBA, but my decision on November 13, 2009, still holds true. I’m focused on being a student-athlete. And my decision is to continue this part of my journey at the University of North Carolina…

As a team, we’re preparing for a special season. My off-season plans are to diligently work on honing my basketball skills in all areas with one team-goal in mind — to bring the 2012 national championship home to UNC."

You’d think it was a ghost writer until you actually watch this game in an interview. Extremely cerebral.

This isn’t a kid looking for a stop gap between high school and the NBA.

That’s not True. Rasheed and Stackhouse didn’t have that mindset at all. They came in wanting the keys handed to them from day one, same with Joe forte, luckily they had Coach’s that could deal with them

And i don’t recall Barnes being Preseason NPOY. he Was preseason 1st team All American though. And i don’t see why he would be a preseason NPOY over Sullinger next season.

And Barnes isn’t a different breed, he’s not the first to come back after being considered a top 5 pick plus he was on the fence and had to think about it unlike Sullinger who said from day one he’s coming back

Im gonna go out on the limb and say Mcadoo does not declare next year.  It would be cool however to see Mcadoo, Barnes, Zeller, Henson, and Marshall all declare next year.

 I’m glad he returns to UNC to make one last push with the Heels… Well, Raptors, Cavs and Wolves, might as well cross your fingers in getting Derrick Williams or Kyrie Irving… This is the first time in so many NBA drafts that I am feeling disinterested to look at whose who in 2011… It’s so freakin’ shallow…