After Watching Jimmer Fredette last night

So were going to ignore all the tape we had on him and him beating other guards in other games just because he struggled last night? We forget, Boynton is a great defensive player.

Yes, Jimmer isn’t going to be what he is in college, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was a Mike Bibby type. He’s good in transition and he’s going to be a solid passer in the pros. We also have to mention, the man had the basketball 95 percent of the time and was THE offense for BYU.  I think he needs to go to a team with some talent on it like a Utah or like a Charlotte where he isn’t the main scorer or expected to be that.

As for the not being able to create part, I think 4 assists per game for 3 seasons in a row while taking almost 15-20 shots per game is tough.

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 Look Steve Nash is Not athletic. Jimmer is going to have a career in the NBA, Jimmer is a special guy. I know Jimmer is not as athletic like the elite guards but he got game. I hope he get the right team to draft him

 I actually agree with you knicksfan7. I say this because I know that when he goes up against Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, John Wall, and next year Kyrie Irving, he would get creamed. That’s about a third of the league’s best point guards in the game right now. There will undoubtedly be more, meaning that the opposition he will have to face will be even more. Do you really want a point guard starting that cannot compete against a third of the league’s best point guards? I sure don’t.

There are scouts though, who think he will be great and all of things that he does not have right nowthey think he will be able to overcome and prove us all wrong. This is why he will be taken in the lottery. Some team will be willing to take a chance on him. 

Once again you can’t judge a player off of one game. He has proven for two years he can score and get past players with NBA athletic ability. Another thing ya’ll seem to forget is there aren’t many good defenseive PG in The NBA. Everyone talks liek the NBA is just full of Guards and Big’s who can play lock down defense. You know whats really funny, Jimmer was getting past NBA PG while in vegas during that olympic thing according to NBA players. But back to my point about Point guards and there defense. And as far as his defense, Nash is a very bad defender and even he doesn’t alllow a player to get wayyy more pppg then there average. Jammeer nelson is another guard who isn’t that great of a defender and isn’t as fast or athletic as other PG. Same with Mark price when he played and countless other PG once they get older. Some peopel act liek there has never been a big who was as slow or slower then Jimmer.  You dont need to be very athletic or fast in order to drive past a fast or athletic PG. Isn’t Derrick Rose and Allen iverson extremley fast and athletic?  And how many times have ya’ll seen a guard who isnt even half as fast or athletic drive past them?…

It would make sense if Jimmer was coming into a leauge full of point guards who play very good or great or even above average defense but the reality is he is not coming into that. He is coming into a leauge where most of the Point guards are average defenders. And how often woul he be facing a PG who is the main scoring option on the team? Or one who is gonna shoot enough shots to get 30 or 40 ppg?

I guess Nolan Smith is gonna be awful after his one bad game last night

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"I actually agree with you knicksfan7.  I say this because I know that when he goes up against Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, John Wall he would get creamed"

Who doesn’t get creamed when they matchup against these guys?  That argument isn’t very good..  Rose is going to drop his 25-8 regardless of who’s guarding him.  Rajon Rondo is going to get him 15 assists and control the tempo regardless of who’s guarding him.  Russell Westbrook is going to score 20 and 8 regardless of who’s guarding him.

I’ve never jumped on the bandwagon and said Jimmer is going to be awesome as a pro, but he’s going to find a spot and stick around for years.

Why did he have so many turnovers?  Maybe because he played nearly every minute in every game and had the ball in his hands in every possession.  He was the primary, secondary, and tertiary ball handler on the team.  Kemba has Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to help him out.  Who was going to handle the rock besides Jimmer? 

Let’s use yesterday’s game for example.  40 minutes of regulation and 5 minutes of overtime.  Jimmer played 44 out of 45 possible minutes.  44 minutes and had 6 turnovers.  That’s about a turnover every 8 minutes.  Kyrie Irving vs Arizona averaged a turnover every 10 minutes but remember, they have multiple players that on that roster that handle the ball, such as Nolan Smith, Seth Curry, and Andre Dawkins.  Now lets take their primary and secondary ball handlers from Duke and put them in the equation.  Nolan Smith with 6 turnovers and Kyrie Irving with 3 turnovers.  That’s 9 turnovers in a 32 minute average.  That’s about a turnover every 3.2 minutes.  Now imagine Jimmer as the primary, secondary, and tertiary ball handler that plays 44 minutes rather than 32.  Not to mention he dished out 5 assists, the same amount that Kyrie and Nolan dished out, combined.

It was nothing but fatigue, in the NBA, he isn’t going to be overworked and overplayed.  In the NBA, he’s going to have more help.

too only average 3 to a game when he had the ball in his control so much is amaziing imo he did everyhting for byu now as too my thoughts on jimmer in the nba hes gonna be a very solid guard not an all star but a solid first guard off the bench or even a starter on a good team imo he could start for the heat right now knocking down open jumpers from lbj and wades penetration

 Don’t doubt Jimmer I’d be shocked if he wasn’t atleast solid…but he needs to improve his defense BAD his defense last night sucked no effort at all, I’m sure NBA coaches will have no problem getting him to atleast try of defense though

He should improve his defense but he doesn’t need to in order to become a allstar or even a MVP(ask Steve Nash,Chris Mullin, Vince Carter. Isn’t that sad

I think his role in the NBA will be different so he will not have the oportunity to be the same player he is now in college.  There have been better players who have not transition over.  I am wondering what team will Jimmer be starting for.  It is possibly that he find a perfect fit but right now I am not sure. 

 Wait….Steve Nash is not athletic? The dude could be a pro in like 3 sports. Hockey, Soccer, and of course Basketball. Maybe we have different understandings of athletic, please explain. 

3 Turnovers my ass…I would say about 7 of the 29 shots should be counted as turnovers…and thats generous. Bad shots are the same as turnovers, the exact same, maybe worse because it leads to a lot of run outs in transition. Jimmer is psychotically talented, he’s an idiotic basketball player though. I dare say at least 25 percent of his shots are terrible shot selections. He is a volume shooter who wont be anything more then a Tony Delk in the NBA.

I agree with Knicks7

 Steve Nash not being athletic is like some sort of Urban Legend.  Just because somebody doesn’t play above the rim doesn’t mean they are not athletic.  Steve Nash’s agility and hand eye coordination are world class and they are 2 of the most important aspects of an athlete. 

Jimmer posses’ neither one of them attributes however and I have not yet came to a conclusion as to what type of player he will become.  He will be in the league and a first round pick I just don’t know where.  Nolan Smith and Kemba Walker are def better then him as far as projecting to the next level.  How did Honeycutt get into the equation tho?  Honeycutt is a small forward and Buford is a shooting guard.  Jimmer has more then enough basketball smarts to be able to play point.  

 It angers me how people compare fredette to nash. Just because they are both 6’3 and white with amazing jump shots dont mean they are the same. Nash is a lot quicker and faster than Fredette. Not to mention that Nash is a way way better ball handler and Playmaker than Fredette. Its not even close actually. Fredette isnt even close to as good of a passer as Curry either. Fredette doesnt try to make plays for others his assists come off of when he is double teamed and forced to pass to an open teammate. But that being said he is a unbelievable shooter. Who if Lucky can be a spot up 3pt shooting starter for a team. He could be a good player in this league but Nash? Never

 To me, Fredette is just a volume shooter.  He is coming into the league to guard DRose, Westbrook and Deron?  Good luck staying in front of anybody, bud.

i said all the same things about steph curry coming out of college He wasnt the fastest guy, his shot selection was questinoable, he didnt look like he could defend at the nba level. But sometimes we try and nit pick so much about what guys can and cant do that sometimes we overlook the most obvious which is that the guy is just damn good at basketball.

listen, im sick of people hating on fredette, without there being any mention of who he was playing for, and what amazing heights he took them to…… he did not attent unc, duke, not even syracuse, pitt, or uconn. hell he didnt even play for a well know mid major like gonzaga or butler… he played for lowly brigham young university…… and that freekin right arm that so many people are dogging, took that unheard (unheard as far as any true bball tradition is concerned) university all the way to the #3 ranking in the country, and if he hadnt of been robbed of his only legit post presence, there is no telling where he would have taken them in the tourney…… all you doubters trip me out. to the cat that posted all those pg deron williams, derrick rose, and russsel westbrook, and claiming jimmer had no business on the court with them…. its funny that all three of those guys i mentioned all have gone on record saying how awesome fredette is, and how he will be just fine at the next level….. funny that you named cats that consider theirselves fans of fredettes as guys he cant deal with…. Listen i know many need fredette to fail, but its not gonna happen… Many people doubted Stephen Curry’s chances in the NBA, as well as J.J. Reddick and Steve Nash. These are three great examples, with varying skill levels that range from a great shooter of the bench, a borderline all-star, and a two-time NBA Most Valuable Player, of why Jimmer Fredette will be a great NBA player. All of these guys have the similar question marks and they help me illustrate the different levels players can achieve. Jimmer has a history of being the overcoming type. What the naysayers are underestimating is ones ability to better himself at the next level. One unknown variable, I think, could mean a world of difference in Fredette’s game translating to the NBA. Which variable you may ask? Being a true point guard. 

Jimmer is a great ball handler and very seldom does he lose the ball to the defender who is guarding him. All one has to do is watch a game and they can see he has a certain savvy that most often accompanies a point guard. At times his moves can be stunning. Like his step back pull-up jumper, double crossover, hesitation, etc. These are all in his bag of tricks. Where he sometimes gets himself into trouble is here. He is continuously in the predicament of having to force the issue of offense. For BYU, he is the only one who was able to get his own shot. Therefore, he was relied upon so heavily, that he had to abandon much of the point guard mindset. He did this just in order to get things done. 

In my opinion, everyone seems to think that Fredette playing with a team of lower caliber players (BYU) was a benefit to his game. They also believe that stepping up and playing with better players will be his ultimate demise. But in making this assessment, the ones who doubt Fredette seem to dismiss the biggest overall variable in this equation. Fredette will now be playing on a team with a ton of talent for once in his life. For a kid who has shown he has all the basketball IQ needed to be great, as well as being able to be unselfish when needed, I think his progression at the next level will be rapid.

Putting him on the court with NBA caliber teammates will make him feel like a kid in a candy store. Fredette has seen more double and triple teams than any college player I’ve seen in some time. Now, all of a sudden, he gets to play one on one again and if a double comes, no more blown opportunities by teammates. Instead, dunks will be the outcome of those double teams.

Furthermore, Fredette shocked many NBA teams during his workouts last year. He surprised everyone with his lateral quickness and overall athleticism. It’s even rumored that he has a 36” vertical.

I just feel like any team should love a scorer that has been as special as he has. I believe that just on the merits of what he’s already shown he can do any team should love to have him. Let alone what he could do if he continues to progress as he has over the last four years.

To think that he will have to get up the same number of shots in the NBA as he did in college, as well as thinking he will flop, is ridiculous. For BYU to be successful, Jimmer had to shoot, and shoot often. He was BYU’s best option. Jimmer’s right arm was such a successful game plan, that it took BYU all the way to #3 in the nation with one week left in the season. Again, the reason Jimmer was turned loose wasn’t because Dave Rose just loved Jimmer so much that he designed everything around him. Dave Rose loves having a big-time Division 1 head coaching job, and he was smart enough to realize that the only way his team was going to the Sweet Sixteen was on the back of Jimmer Fredette. Because of this, Jimmer became the system at BYU. And Jimmer delivered all year long. 

People talk about his shot selection and the number of shots he took, but they hardly ever get around to telling people how well Fredette shot in every aspect of his game. For a 6’2” point guard to get doubled and tripled all game, he still hit 29 points a game. He did this while shooting 45% from the field, 40% from the arc, and 90% from the line. Everyone would agree that for a point guard, that is beyond commendable. He shot better than Kemba Walker in all three categories. 

I believe the NBA will improve his defense greatly; this transpiring due to him no longer having to carry the entire offensive load. I do not believe though that he will become a great defender. I see him as a passable defender. But I am not one who thinks he is as pathetic on defense as some believe. BYU plays zone. No one looks aggressive in a 2-3 zone and no one is as pathetic as Jimmer haters claim he is and yet still manage to average 1.4 steals a game. I will admit he does need to work some in this department though.

Next area I’ll touch on is his offense. I think his points per game obviously drop. If he gets starter minutes, I think he can average 15-22 points per game. In the assist department, I feel his assist per game average will go up a great deal. I believe he can average anywhere from 5 to 9 assists depending on his role. As far as shooting percentage goes, I think without all the constant double and triple teams his percentage will go up slightly. I think he shoots better from the arc mainly due to him for once being able to spot up as well as be a beneficiary of some kick out passes. I can see him shooting 45 percent from deep. His stroke is as pure as anyone in the game and the only thing that could be a negative would be the line being further back. But we all know where Fredette likes to shoots from so that should be a non-issue. Also from a point guard standpoint, I honestly can see his turnovers going down as well. Manly due to much less attention being designated to stopping him. In addition, he will get to take his foot off the gas a little. This will benefit Jimmer in he will not feel like everything offensively is riding squarely on his shoulders.

I believe that I have seen something truly special in Jimmer Fredette. Those NBA fans that do not want him on their team frankly don’t deserve him. I feel like he has already proven himself by not being recruited by any major college to running away with the consensus Player of the Year. I honestly believe he can also prove himself in the NBA.

I like you.  I give you point.

Don’t get me wrong, Jimmer will last in the league, because he is a good shooter, which is a dying breed.  But defensively he won’t be able to be in the game in crunch time.

Don’t get me wrong, Jimmer will last in the league, because he is a good shooter, which is a dying breed.  But defensively he won’t be able to be in the game in crunch time.

Don’t get me wrong, Jimmer will last in the league, because he is a good shooter, which is a dying breed.  But defensively he won’t be able to be in the game in crunch time.

Yes, Jimmer will have more help in the NBA. True, he won’t have to stay in the game forever and be the first, second and third option for the Kings, like he had to in College. True, he is going to find his spot in the NBA and stick around for awhile, but that does not mean he’s going to be a star. I’ve seen tons of NBA players who have "stuck around for awhile" but they aren’t even close to being stars. Jeff Hornacek, Ronnie Brewer, Earl Watson, Howard Eisley, Ronnie Price, Keith Bogans, Jammeer Nelson, Andrei Kirilenko, etc. The list goes on and on. These are all players that have "stuck around in the NBA", and most will continue to "stick around in the NBA" But are they stars, not nearly. Nor will they ever be stars. The problem is most of you people say Jimmer is going to stick around for awhile (which I actually agree with) but then say he’s the next Steve Nash or the next Jason Kidd. Wait a second, those two guys did not just stick around in the NBA, they became stars. I just don’t see that kind of player from someone who is only 6’2 and crafty as hell, yet slower than your average point guard, becoming the next Steve Nash or the next Jason Kidd. I see Jimmer becoming the next Mark Price or Mike Bibby. Did those guys stick around for awhile, yeah sure. Are they stars, hell no. You can stick around in the NBA for awhile and not become a star, and most players tend to do that. That’s exactly what I see in the future for Jimmer.

Yes, Jimmer will have more help in the NBA. True, he won’t have to stay in the game forever and be the first, second and third option for the Kings, like he had to in College. True, he is going to find his spot in the NBA and stick around for awhile, but that does not mean he’s going to be a star. I’ve seen tons of NBA players who have "stuck around for awhile" but they aren’t even close to being stars. Jeff Hornacek, Ronnie Brewer, Earl Watson, Howard Eisley, Ronnie Price, Keith Bogans, Jammeer Nelson, Andrei Kirilenko, etc. The list goes on and on. These are all players that have "stuck around in the NBA", and most will continue to "stick around in the NBA" But are they stars, not nearly. Nor will they ever be stars. The problem is most of you people say Jimmer is going to stick around for awhile (which I actually agree with) but then say he’s the next Steve Nash or the next Jason Kidd. Wait a second, those two guys did not just stick around in the NBA, they became stars. I just don’t see that kind of player from someone who is only 6’2 and crafty as hell, yet slower than your average point guard, becoming the next Steve Nash or the next Jason Kidd. I see Jimmer becoming the next Mark Price or Mike Bibby. Did those guys stick around for awhile, yeah sure. Are they stars, hell no. You can stick around in the NBA for awhile and not become a star, and most players tend to do that. That’s exactly what I see in the future for Jimmer.

Yes, Jimmer will have more help in the NBA. True, he won’t have to stay in the game forever and be the first, second and third option for the Kings, like he had to in College. True, he is going to find his spot in the NBA and stick around for awhile, but that does not mean he’s going to be a star. I’ve seen tons of NBA players who have "stuck around for awhile" but they aren’t even close to being stars. Jeff Hornacek, Ronnie Brewer, Earl Watson, Howard Eisley, Ronnie Price, Keith Bogans, Jammeer Nelson, Andrei Kirilenko, etc. The list goes on and on. These are all players that have "stuck around in the NBA", and most will continue to "stick around in the NBA" But are they stars, not nearly. Nor will they ever be stars. The problem is most of you people say Jimmer is going to stick around for awhile (which I actually agree with) but then say he’s the next Steve Nash or the next Jason Kidd. Wait a second, those two guys did not just stick around in the NBA, they became stars. I just don’t see that kind of player from someone who is only 6’2 and crafty as hell, yet slower than your average point guard, becoming the next Steve Nash or the next Jason Kidd. I see Jimmer becoming the next Mark Price or Mike Bibby. Did those guys stick around for awhile, yeah sure. Are they stars, hell no. You can stick around in the NBA for awhile and not become a star, and most players tend to do that. That’s exactly what I see in the future for Jimmer.