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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:30pm #25887

jjonz
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For this profession (Basketball) their should be a 2 year window of College Play. Some players come out ready but others are clearly not ready. Plus it save’s the rear & tear on the players they can play longer (Career Wise) get use to the 90+grind of an NBA season&preseason. This games add up, 10yrsX82 games 820 games on a 29/31 yr old body, thats a ton of mileage on an NBA body. If the quality of NBA play is effected by kids (Teens 18/19-20yr rookies) who are not ready for the physical & mental grind of the L then they should get seasoning & practice to become quality Players .We already know the success stories of prep2pros but how about STelfair/M.Webster/DWright when he 1st got in the L. If this is my Product DStern & the Owners have to protect there investments. & the investment is The Game itself (Quality of play/Mature Basketball players,Fans & The teams that employ the services of these players.) This is from the Owner/Commis side of the Coin. Protect the League & the Quality of Play. The only other solution is to give kids an option, Say if they want to put there name in the draft for the D-League then a team could draft a player from HS and develop them in the DLeague similiar to the Minors in Baseball. However, this would Hurt the pocket book of College Basketball. I think they should mandate 2 yrs of College life, this would add even more excitement to the College game. And protect the Intergrity of the NBA. Here’s a ? Are there any HS Seniors you would have taken #1 in last years draft/JWall/Cous/Favors. Or in this Years Draft HS Seniors being JSully/TWill/PJones. JWall is intriguing, still think he could have spent more time in College working on his jumper.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:40pm #491025

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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I actually like the year in college. It helps players start their college careers incase they don’t do well in the NBA. There have been many kids who try to go to the draft out of high school, go undrafted, and lose their amateur status, therefore cannot receive scholarships.

My rule would be, 1 year removed from high school, whether you play college, Euro ball, or simply not play at all (which would be stupid but still an option, I guess)
If you decide to come out straight out of high school, you have to spend a season in the DLeague.
I wouldn’t implement an age limit. If you’re a 17 year old senior, then you can go to college for a year or enter the DLeague and enter the league when you’re 18. I don’t like the rule that you have to be at least 19 years of age.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:40pm #491072

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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I actually like the year in college. It helps players start their college careers incase they don’t do well in the NBA. There have been many kids who try to go to the draft out of high school, go undrafted, and lose their amateur status, therefore cannot receive scholarships.

My rule would be, 1 year removed from high school, whether you play college, Euro ball, or simply not play at all (which would be stupid but still an option, I guess)
If you decide to come out straight out of high school, you have to spend a season in the DLeague.
I wouldn’t implement an age limit. If you’re a 17 year old senior, then you can go to college for a year or enter the DLeague and enter the league when you’re 18. I don’t like the rule that you have to be at least 19 years of age.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:47pm #491042

bigblackNbeautiful
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I agree with what you said and love the rule you laided down. But the hard part is many euro players dont go to high school but rather just play ball. So techniquely if there isnt a age limit but rather a one year as a proffesional or as a college athlete, european players could be drafted much younger than usa players which may lead to more jeremy taylors
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:47pm #491087

bigblackNbeautiful
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I agree with what you said and love the rule you laided down. But the hard part is many euro players dont go to high school but rather just play ball. So techniquely if there isnt a age limit but rather a one year as a proffesional or as a college athlete, european players could be drafted much younger than usa players which may lead to more jeremy taylors
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:53pm #491050

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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Hmm.. well there should be an exception for players who play in Euro, maybe they need to be 19 years of age before coming to the NBA? I’m sure something could be worked out. Euro players always come to the NBA at about age 20-22 anyway.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 2:53pm #491095

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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Hmm.. well there should be an exception for players who play in Euro, maybe they need to be 19 years of age before coming to the NBA? I’m sure something could be worked out. Euro players always come to the NBA at about age 20-22 anyway.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:05pm #491058

akhan786
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Who’s TWill?
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:05pm #491103

akhan786
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Who’s TWill?
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:41pm #491092

jjonz
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I meant TJones from Kentucky
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:41pm #491136

jjonz
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I meant TJones from Kentucky
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:51pm #491107

Stanford hoops1
The problem is there are way more guys who do well that come straight from HS than the one’s that don’t do well. And there’s wear and tear from playing college ball as well. Skipping that wear and tear actually makes more Sense. Also the players that break down mentally seem to be the ones that go to college. All the guys who have maturity issues are the ones that went to college.

Making someone go to college is telling them they can’t work even though they are ready skill wise and that is wrong. They end up going to college when they don’t wanna be there and make a joke out of college. If a player is ready to play int he NBA and has the skills to do so then they shouldn’t be forced to go to college
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:51pm #491151

Stanford hoops1
The problem is there are way more guys who do well that come straight from HS than the one’s that don’t do well. And there’s wear and tear from playing college ball as well. Skipping that wear and tear actually makes more Sense. Also the players that break down mentally seem to be the ones that go to college. All the guys who have maturity issues are the ones that went to college.

Making someone go to college is telling them they can’t work even though they are ready skill wise and that is wrong. They end up going to college when they don’t wanna be there and make a joke out of college. If a player is ready to play int he NBA and has the skills to do so then they shouldn’t be forced to go to college
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:55pm #491113

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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Stanford, going to college before the NBA is just like going to college before a regular job. Obviously employees that go to college have a better resume. And we’ve seen many players try to go to the NBA that obviously weren’t ready. Point is, we’ve seen more players try to make the NBA out of high school and fail rather than see them become stars or even decent players.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 3:55pm #491156

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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Stanford, going to college before the NBA is just like going to college before a regular job. Obviously employees that go to college have a better resume. And we’ve seen many players try to go to the NBA that obviously weren’t ready. Point is, we’ve seen more players try to make the NBA out of high school and fail rather than see them become stars or even decent players.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:10pm #491139

Stanford hoops1
But this isn’t the real world and on top of that you don’t have to go to college to get a job you just need a HS diploma. If a guy doesn’t make it in the NBA after college its not the end of the world. The guys people point out who didn’t last like Korleone Young and Gerald Green have ended up making 6 figures over in Europe. Out of all the guys who declared I’m willing to bet 90 percent of them have stayed int he NBA and just about all that stayed have became decent players and or Allstars.
And I’m guessing this is the reason the Players are pushing to get rid of the age limit. Derek Fisher( president of the players union) already said there isn’t any evidence that shows good reason why a player shouldn’t be able to come to the NBA out of HS
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:10pm #491182

Stanford hoops1
But this isn’t the real world and on top of that you don’t have to go to college to get a job you just need a HS diploma. If a guy doesn’t make it in the NBA after college its not the end of the world. The guys people point out who didn’t last like Korleone Young and Gerald Green have ended up making 6 figures over in Europe. Out of all the guys who declared I’m willing to bet 90 percent of them have stayed int he NBA and just about all that stayed have became decent players and or Allstars.
And I’m guessing this is the reason the Players are pushing to get rid of the age limit. Derek Fisher( president of the players union) already said there isn’t any evidence that shows good reason why a player shouldn’t be able to come to the NBA out of HS
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:19pm #491146

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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How is this not the real world? This isn’t a video game. I didn’t say you NEED college, I just said it looks better on your resume. Guys like Gerald Green are making 6 figures when they could have gone to college and been making their 7 figues instead.

I really could care less if the age limit is taken off, but I’m just saying in my personal opinion, it’s better for them to go to college. It’s always fun to see guys come out of high school and try to play with grown men, whether they succeed or not.

Plus, how many pro athletes have we seen go broke after the NBA? Most of athletes do go broke, so why not have a year in college so when they are out of the NBA, they already have credits ready or they could have finished their college career while in the NBA?
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:19pm #491190

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How is this not the real world? This isn’t a video game. I didn’t say you NEED college, I just said it looks better on your resume. Guys like Gerald Green are making 6 figures when they could have gone to college and been making their 7 figues instead.

I really could care less if the age limit is taken off, but I’m just saying in my personal opinion, it’s better for them to go to college. It’s always fun to see guys come out of high school and try to play with grown men, whether they succeed or not.

Plus, how many pro athletes have we seen go broke after the NBA? Most of athletes do go broke, so why not have a year in college so when they are out of the NBA, they already have credits ready or they could have finished their college career while in the NBA?
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:31pm #491157
Stanford hoops1
Kevin Garnett,-HOF Allstar MVP
Kobe Bryant, -HOF allstar MVP
Jermaine O’Neal,-former Allstar
Tracy McGrady, former Allstar
Stephen Jackson, -Former allstar and current very good starter
Al Harrington,-6th man but scores and plays like a starter
Rashard Lewis,-former Allstar and starter
Korleone Young,- didn’t make long it but has made a couple Million overseas
Jonathan Bender, wasn’t that bad but injury put him out of the league
Leon Smith, -played for a couple years and has made a couple million, played in Europe untill this year
Darius Miles starter and 6th man before injury,
DeShawn Stevenson, starter and 6th man
Kwame Brown, Career starter
Tyson Chandler, career starter and fringe Allstar this year
Eddy Curry,
- starter before inujury
DeSagana Diop 6th man and starter,
Ousmane Cisse, didn’t make it but played in europe untill this year and has made a couple million
Amare Stoudemire,
- Allstar and possible HOF
LeBron James,
- 2 time MVP and one of the best 2 players in the NBA
Travis Outlaw,
- starter and 6th man
Ndudi Ebi, played a lil and still playing in europe and doing work. Has made millions
Kendrick Perkins, Starter on a title team
James Lang, -Didn’t make it long, has played in europe and in the states, has made hundred of thousands
Dwight Howard,
- Allstar, future HOF best big man int he game
Shaun Livingston, Promising career before horrible injury but still in the NBA and doing well
Robert Swift, Played for a couple years made millions now playing over seas for 6figures plus
Sebastian Telfair, back up point guard for his career, basically a 7th man and below
Al Jefferson, Prentiss starter for a playoff team and fringe allstar
Josh Smith,
- fringe allstar and starter on a playoff team
J.R. Smith,
- 6th man and one of the top 6th men in the NBA
Dorell Wright,
- Very good starter and in race for most improved player int he NBA
Martell Webster,
- starter and 6th man, good player
Andrew Bynum, Starter on the world champs team and one of the best big men when healthy
Gerald Green,
- made millions in the NBA but didnt last
C.J. Miles,
- starter/6th man and good player
Monta Ellis,
- Fringe allstar and very very good starter
Louis Williams,
- 6th man and very good player
Andray Blatche,
- starter and future fringe allstar
Amir Johnson, -6th man sometime starter
Ricky Sanchez-didnt play in the NBA but was drafted and currently making 6 figures
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:31pm #491200
Stanford hoops1
Kevin Garnett,-HOF Allstar MVP
Kobe Bryant, -HOF allstar MVP
Jermaine O’Neal,-former Allstar
Tracy McGrady, former Allstar
Stephen Jackson, -Former allstar and current very good starter
Al Harrington,-6th man but scores and plays like a starter
Rashard Lewis,-former Allstar and starter
Korleone Young,- didn’t make long it but has made a couple Million overseas
Jonathan Bender, wasn’t that bad but injury put him out of the league
Leon Smith, -played for a couple years and has made a couple million, played in Europe untill this year
Darius Miles starter and 6th man before injury,
DeShawn Stevenson, starter and 6th man
Kwame Brown, Career starter
Tyson Chandler, career starter and fringe Allstar this year
Eddy Curry,
- starter before inujury
DeSagana Diop 6th man and starter,
Ousmane Cisse, didn’t make it but played in europe untill this year and has made a couple million
Amare Stoudemire,
- Allstar and possible HOF
LeBron James,
- 2 time MVP and one of the best 2 players in the NBA
Travis Outlaw,
- starter and 6th man
Ndudi Ebi, played a lil and still playing in europe and doing work. Has made millions
Kendrick Perkins, Starter on a title team
James Lang, -Didn’t make it long, has played in europe and in the states, has made hundred of thousands
Dwight Howard,
- Allstar, future HOF best big man int he game
Shaun Livingston, Promising career before horrible injury but still in the NBA and doing well
Robert Swift, Played for a couple years made millions now playing over seas for 6figures plus
Sebastian Telfair, back up point guard for his career, basically a 7th man and below
Al Jefferson, Prentiss starter for a playoff team and fringe allstar
Josh Smith,
- fringe allstar and starter on a playoff team
J.R. Smith,
- 6th man and one of the top 6th men in the NBA
Dorell Wright,
- Very good starter and in race for most improved player int he NBA
Martell Webster,
- starter and 6th man, good player
Andrew Bynum, Starter on the world champs team and one of the best big men when healthy
Gerald Green,
- made millions in the NBA but didnt last
C.J. Miles,
- starter/6th man and good player
Monta Ellis,
- Fringe allstar and very very good starter
Louis Williams,
- 6th man and very good player
Andray Blatche,
- starter and future fringe allstar
Amir Johnson, -6th man sometime starter
Ricky Sanchez-didnt play in the NBA but was drafted and currently making 6 figures
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:37pm #491165

Stanford hoops1
College doesn’t made you can be making 7figures.
Fab Melo would have went first round this year. Right now he doesn’t look like he will be anywhere near the first round in 5 years of college basketball
There is no guarantee that going to college will help a player. You could go and end up getting hurt just as well as going and get better or worst. Kids should have a option. And the list of guys who went support the theory by the players association that its not a bad thing to go straight to the NBA

And the guys that have gone broke after playing int he NBA
Antoine Walker-College
and the other players who’s name escape me all went to college
Who have been the biggest knuckleheads int he NBA? Artest? Rasheed?

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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:37pm #491208

Stanford hoops1
College doesn’t made you can be making 7figures.
Fab Melo would have went first round this year. Right now he doesn’t look like he will be anywhere near the first round in 5 years of college basketball
There is no guarantee that going to college will help a player. You could go and end up getting hurt just as well as going and get better or worst. Kids should have a option. And the list of guys who went support the theory by the players association that its not a bad thing to go straight to the NBA

And the guys that have gone broke after playing int he NBA
Antoine Walker-College
and the other players who’s name escape me all went to college
Who have been the biggest knuckleheads int he NBA? Artest? Rasheed?

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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:39pm #491167

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/13011/sports++recreation/nba+basketball+players+straight+from+high+school.aspx
Atleast post the link as to where you got the info from.

How about this simple stat? 60% of professional NBA players go broke 5 years after they retire. Why? Because some of them chose not to pursue a college career because the NBA didn’t push for it. Now, they are regular human beings with nothing but a high school diploma. The NBA pushing for college will help them want to acquire their college degree and learn to make a living after the NBA.

Will Fab Melo make the NBA? Who knows, but he would have gone straight to the NBA from high school had he gotten the chance. Now he’s getting a college education.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:39pm #491210

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/13011/sports++recreation/nba+basketball+players+straight+from+high+school.aspx
Atleast post the link as to where you got the info from.

How about this simple stat? 60% of professional NBA players go broke 5 years after they retire. Why? Because some of them chose not to pursue a college career because the NBA didn’t push for it. Now, they are regular human beings with nothing but a high school diploma. The NBA pushing for college will help them want to acquire their college degree and learn to make a living after the NBA.

Will Fab Melo make the NBA? Who knows, but he would have gone straight to the NBA from high school had he gotten the chance. Now he’s getting a college education.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:45pm #491179

Stanford hoops1
How many of those 60 percent came straight from High School? If I’m not mistaken 100percent of them went to college. College doesn’t stop those guys from spending there millions on a bunch of cars or entourage’s or giving family alot of money or bad investments. I bet you can find college SR’s,Jr’s Soph’s, and freshmen through out that whole list. These same guys that are broke went to college. Just going to college doesn’t change who they are.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:45pm #491222

Stanford hoops1
How many of those 60 percent came straight from High School? If I’m not mistaken 100percent of them went to college. College doesn’t stop those guys from spending there millions on a bunch of cars or entourage’s or giving family alot of money or bad investments. I bet you can find college SR’s,Jr’s Soph’s, and freshmen through out that whole list. These same guys that are broke went to college. Just going to college doesn’t change who they are.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:50pm #491181

dmo21
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Going to college does not ensure that they will make millions or that they will make the nba, but it does ensure that they have a backup plan if they don’t make the nba or if they get hurt. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:50pm #491224

dmo21
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Going to college does not ensure that they will make millions or that they will make the nba, but it does ensure that they have a backup plan if they don’t make the nba or if they get hurt. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:50pm #491183

Stanford hoops1
Every evidence people come up with always point to guys who’s went to college as far as broke or bad seeds.
Percentage wise guys coming from HS do very well financially and on the court. Some people say why and my opinion is, They always seem to have a good support system. There Mom,Dad,brother,sister cousin etc comes to live with them and help budget there money and keep them in check. They tend to not have a big head because they are fresh out of living with there parents, they didn’t have a year or couple of years of being on there own and feeling like they can do everything by there self just because they woke there self up on time for class or made it to the lunch room and ate without there mom cooking for them. Another reason might be the fact that the NBA used to pay extra attention to the straight out of HS guys so they would stay on the right path. The older players felt that they had to look after them since they were still teenagers
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:50pm #491226

Stanford hoops1
Every evidence people come up with always point to guys who’s went to college as far as broke or bad seeds.
Percentage wise guys coming from HS do very well financially and on the court. Some people say why and my opinion is, They always seem to have a good support system. There Mom,Dad,brother,sister cousin etc comes to live with them and help budget there money and keep them in check. They tend to not have a big head because they are fresh out of living with there parents, they didn’t have a year or couple of years of being on there own and feeling like they can do everything by there self just because they woke there self up on time for class or made it to the lunch room and ate without there mom cooking for them. Another reason might be the fact that the NBA used to pay extra attention to the straight out of HS guys so they would stay on the right path. The older players felt that they had to look after them since they were still teenagers
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:55pm #491187

Stanford hoops1
Get hurt in college and can’t play no more, maybe get a good job( i say maybe because there are many many people out there in the world today with a college degree who can’t find a job right now, go check out the economy or google it and see for you’re self) Go to the NBA and get hurt, Millions if you are a first round pick if not then you get enough money to go back to college 3 times over.

Oh yeah don’t forget that college is always there there’s no age limit or statue of limitation. On top of that the NBA has a settlement thing that they give you when if you get injured. Even if you never make it past Vet camp you get 75k or more.
Another thing i forgot to mention is that Scholarships are year by year. Its not a four year thing. there have been many players who have got injured in college and lost there scholarship the next year
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- Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 5:42pm #491195
  
  Maysek22
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  I’d like to see basketball develop legitimate minor leagues, much like we have in baseball and hockey, where players can develop under professional coaches running professional schemes as opposed to college ball where coaches have their own agendas. D-league doesnt cut it in its current state, as not every team has affiliates. Not that i’m besmirching college, its still a great option that is also used extensively in the above mentioned sports. But if basketball could have a place for the kids who arent interested in college but not ready for the nba, with a graduating system of challenge – baseball (single a, double a, triple a) hockey (major junior, american hockey league) i think it would help to develop a lot of players who have/would otherwise languish in basketball purgatory. Basically i think kids should have more options than college or europe as a means of developing skills.
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- Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 5:42pm #491238
  
  Maysek22
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  I’d like to see basketball develop legitimate minor leagues, much like we have in baseball and hockey, where players can develop under professional coaches running professional schemes as opposed to college ball where coaches have their own agendas. D-league doesnt cut it in its current state, as not every team has affiliates. Not that i’m besmirching college, its still a great option that is also used extensively in the above mentioned sports. But if basketball could have a place for the kids who arent interested in college but not ready for the nba, with a graduating system of challenge – baseball (single a, double a, triple a) hockey (major junior, american hockey league) i think it would help to develop a lot of players who have/would otherwise languish in basketball purgatory. Basically i think kids should have more options than college or europe as a means of developing skills.
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 4:55pm #491230

Stanford hoops1
Get hurt in college and can’t play no more, maybe get a good job( i say maybe because there are many many people out there in the world today with a college degree who can’t find a job right now, go check out the economy or google it and see for you’re self) Go to the NBA and get hurt, Millions if you are a first round pick if not then you get enough money to go back to college 3 times over.

Oh yeah don’t forget that college is always there there’s no age limit or statue of limitation. On top of that the NBA has a settlement thing that they give you when if you get injured. Even if you never make it past Vet camp you get 75k or more.
Another thing i forgot to mention is that Scholarships are year by year. Its not a four year thing. there have been many players who have got injured in college and lost there scholarship the next year
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 5:47pm #491201

Stanford hoops1
The Problem with that is they can’t afford to do that. Teams/owners are already losing money running there NBA teams and it costs Millions to have a D league team
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Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 5:47pm #491244

Stanford hoops1
The Problem with that is they can’t afford to do that. Teams/owners are already losing money running there NBA teams and it costs Millions to have a D league team
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 3:42am #491293

Maysek22
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Minor league teams should not be fully funded/owned by pro teams. In baseball and hockey, minors are independent, make their own money, pay their own players – they may catch subsidies from pro teams, especially if a pro team wants a certain coach in their system or sends a player down who is making pro money, but for the most part the cost to the pro team is minimal and doesnt count against their cap. The hard part is finding business people to invest in the opportunity. If all they’ll have playing for them is scrubs, its a tough sell, but if you expand the nba draft to say 5-7 rounds, then give players up to and including first round picks, if necessary, time in the minors, thats a selling point. People would come to watch first rounders that needed seasoning, such as Hasheem thabeet, JJ Reddick, Austin Daye, Earl Clark, tyler hansborough and bj mullens, never mind 2nd rounders and on down the line. Now some guys would be career minor league players, and guys like the ones mentioned above would play a year or less in the minors b4 being called up. Additionally, it is an excellent grooming ground for up and coming coaches, so we can get away from recycling these tired old guys like we do. If some financial guru could come up with a viable economic model, i’d love to see it. If it works in hockey, which has half the popularity as basketball in the US, it can work in bball.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 3:42am #491336

Maysek22
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Minor league teams should not be fully funded/owned by pro teams. In baseball and hockey, minors are independent, make their own money, pay their own players – they may catch subsidies from pro teams, especially if a pro team wants a certain coach in their system or sends a player down who is making pro money, but for the most part the cost to the pro team is minimal and doesnt count against their cap. The hard part is finding business people to invest in the opportunity. If all they’ll have playing for them is scrubs, its a tough sell, but if you expand the nba draft to say 5-7 rounds, then give players up to and including first round picks, if necessary, time in the minors, thats a selling point. People would come to watch first rounders that needed seasoning, such as Hasheem thabeet, JJ Reddick, Austin Daye, Earl Clark, tyler hansborough and bj mullens, never mind 2nd rounders and on down the line. Now some guys would be career minor league players, and guys like the ones mentioned above would play a year or less in the minors b4 being called up. Additionally, it is an excellent grooming ground for up and coming coaches, so we can get away from recycling these tired old guys like we do. If some financial guru could come up with a viable economic model, i’d love to see it. If it works in hockey, which has half the popularity as basketball in the US, it can work in bball.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:37am #491388

Hitster
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The age limit has always been an interesting subject for me because in numerous sports you have players often younger than 18 competing against older players and there is certainly a line of thought that say a 19 year old should be fitter than some guys in their early 30’s. Also having more of your career earlier on may mean you pass your peak earlier but it can also mean a player can make their money quicker and not be tied to big contracts when they are well past their peak as often happens in the NBA.

The age rule is perhaps there to protect players who are not mentally ready for the NBA rather than physically ready and the year or so in college allows the player to mature as a person as well as a player. When the age rule wasn’t in force teams just as often drafted players from college as straight from High School although in every draft since the age rule came in you would have probably had the top of each class going a year earlier maybe apart from the likes of Blake Griffin who made his reputation in his sophomore year at college rising from a possible top 10 pick to a clear number 1 pick within that year.

Even in last years drafts you had players who were 22 or 23 years old being drafted high alongside college freshman so age may not be a major consideration when drafting players.

The one rule that I personally liked and would not mind being brought back in would be one of the so called Larry Bird rules where a player can be drafted and then still elect to return to college. You could even have the rule a player can declare at 18 years old and be drafted but they have to spend at least a year in college. That way the players still have time to mature but know that they already have a likely NBA contract. There would need to be clear guidelines when a team could call a player up maybe no more than one year after being drafted to stop teams manipulating the draft to create cash space or refusing to commit cash to a player who in college may not turn out to be all they hoped.

This would make the draft more interesting and probably encourage teams lower down the draft to keep picks and make the evaluation of talent much more interesting. Would a team take say a solid college sophomore this year like Derrick Williams knowing he can be on the roster from next season or maybe draft a top college HS player like Austin Rivers knowing they would not have him until the 2012/13 season.

I would also introduce a rule that no 2^nd round signing regardless of when they were drafted or undrafted player can be paid more than the 30^th draft pick in the preceding draft. Again this may encourage teams to draft and sign players rather than stash them away. The rookie salary scale was a great idea but you could maybe look to vary it so a player could go onto a larger deal after 3 years and thus players rise up the salary scale quicker and it stops larger contracts towards the end of player’s careers perhaps. Or if a player may not merit a large 2^nd contract after 3 years the rookie deal can be extended up to 5 years but the player becomes a FA after that. The 4 year rookie deal would still be there but these two deals could give GM’s more options.

Finally I would have a rule where any player must declare for the draft in order to be drafted and thus the automatically eligible rule goes. This would give teams more flexibility to chase European talent over the age of 22 but the pay restriction but in above would stop the more wealthy teams from cherry picking the talent potentially. If Ricky Rubio had set his heart on say the Lakers then he can join them when he is 22/23 years old but the contract would only be worth what a 30^th pick that year got.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:37am #491429

Hitster
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The age limit has always been an interesting subject for me because in numerous sports you have players often younger than 18 competing against older players and there is certainly a line of thought that say a 19 year old should be fitter than some guys in their early 30’s. Also having more of your career earlier on may mean you pass your peak earlier but it can also mean a player can make their money quicker and not be tied to big contracts when they are well past their peak as often happens in the NBA.

The age rule is perhaps there to protect players who are not mentally ready for the NBA rather than physically ready and the year or so in college allows the player to mature as a person as well as a player. When the age rule wasn’t in force teams just as often drafted players from college as straight from High School although in every draft since the age rule came in you would have probably had the top of each class going a year earlier maybe apart from the likes of Blake Griffin who made his reputation in his sophomore year at college rising from a possible top 10 pick to a clear number 1 pick within that year.

Even in last years drafts you had players who were 22 or 23 years old being drafted high alongside college freshman so age may not be a major consideration when drafting players.

The one rule that I personally liked and would not mind being brought back in would be one of the so called Larry Bird rules where a player can be drafted and then still elect to return to college. You could even have the rule a player can declare at 18 years old and be drafted but they have to spend at least a year in college. That way the players still have time to mature but know that they already have a likely NBA contract. There would need to be clear guidelines when a team could call a player up maybe no more than one year after being drafted to stop teams manipulating the draft to create cash space or refusing to commit cash to a player who in college may not turn out to be all they hoped.

This would make the draft more interesting and probably encourage teams lower down the draft to keep picks and make the evaluation of talent much more interesting. Would a team take say a solid college sophomore this year like Derrick Williams knowing he can be on the roster from next season or maybe draft a top college HS player like Austin Rivers knowing they would not have him until the 2012/13 season.

I would also introduce a rule that no 2^nd round signing regardless of when they were drafted or undrafted player can be paid more than the 30^th draft pick in the preceding draft. Again this may encourage teams to draft and sign players rather than stash them away. The rookie salary scale was a great idea but you could maybe look to vary it so a player could go onto a larger deal after 3 years and thus players rise up the salary scale quicker and it stops larger contracts towards the end of player’s careers perhaps. Or if a player may not merit a large 2^nd contract after 3 years the rookie deal can be extended up to 5 years but the player becomes a FA after that. The 4 year rookie deal would still be there but these two deals could give GM’s more options.

Finally I would have a rule where any player must declare for the draft in order to be drafted and thus the automatically eligible rule goes. This would give teams more flexibility to chase European talent over the age of 22 but the pay restriction but in above would stop the more wealthy teams from cherry picking the talent potentially. If Ricky Rubio had set his heart on say the Lakers then he can join them when he is 22/23 years old but the contract would only be worth what a 30^th pick that year got.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:47am #491406

jjonz
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that’s some serious twicking, but extreme measures have to be taken sometimes.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 7:47am #491447

jjonz
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that’s some serious twicking, but extreme measures have to be taken sometimes.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 8:40am #491432

Stanford hoops1
They can’t be self owned because no business man in there right mind would take on that since they don’t make any money. The NBA D League teams don’t turn a profit. You get more fans at a H.S game sometimes and you still have to pay every player on the team plus the coach, Team doctors, travel etc.

I do like the Bird rule idea but i doubt many players would return to college after getting drafted. I think less than 1 percent of the players actually did that when the rule was in effect.

A good idea would be Draft the Highschooler and if you aren’t playing them a certain amount of minutes then they have to be sent to the D-league
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 12:04pm #491549
  
  Maysek22
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  i thought the larry bird rule was in regards to salary cap, not college eligiblilty. as i understand it, the rule allows a team to exceed the salary cap to resign one of their own players, and is still in effect. do you mean the "junior eligible" rule that existed back in the day (allowing a collegiate player to be drafted when the player’s original "entering" class was graduating and giving them one calendar year to sign them, even if they went back to college)? I dont like that rule b/c it takes some power away from the player – like they are a 2nd round pick after their first year, even though they didnt declare for the draft, they have a huge all america 2nd year but are forced to make 2nd round pay, unless they go back to college for a 3rd year…that could be disasterous for players i’d think.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 12:04pm #491508
  
  Maysek22
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  i thought the larry bird rule was in regards to salary cap, not college eligiblilty. as i understand it, the rule allows a team to exceed the salary cap to resign one of their own players, and is still in effect. do you mean the "junior eligible" rule that existed back in the day (allowing a collegiate player to be drafted when the player’s original "entering" class was graduating and giving them one calendar year to sign them, even if they went back to college)? I dont like that rule b/c it takes some power away from the player – like they are a 2nd round pick after their first year, even though they didnt declare for the draft, they have a huge all america 2nd year but are forced to make 2nd round pay, unless they go back to college for a 3rd year…that could be disasterous for players i’d think.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 8:40am #491473

Stanford hoops1
They can’t be self owned because no business man in there right mind would take on that since they don’t make any money. The NBA D League teams don’t turn a profit. You get more fans at a H.S game sometimes and you still have to pay every player on the team plus the coach, Team doctors, travel etc.

I do like the Bird rule idea but i doubt many players would return to college after getting drafted. I think less than 1 percent of the players actually did that when the rule was in effect.

A good idea would be Draft the Highschooler and if you aren’t playing them a certain amount of minutes then they have to be sent to the D-league
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 12:33pm #491522

midwestbbscout
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I absolutely love the year in the D-League rule…..I have done a lot of discussion about the age limit rule and I have never heard that suggestion…..I feel that the D-League is starting to be used successfully finally, now they just have to start expanding its horizons to its full potential….
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 12:33pm #491562

midwestbbscout
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I absolutely love the year in the D-League rule…..I have done a lot of discussion about the age limit rule and I have never heard that suggestion…..I feel that the D-League is starting to be used successfully finally, now they just have to start expanding its horizons to its full potential….
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 1:12pm #491550

Steroid
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If you have to make an 18 year old, young adult go to college by playing basketball, then they shouldn’t be going to college at all, peroid. The big time colleges don’t really care if these kids are graduating or not anyway because they’re making money off of them regardless.
Moreover, if you have to make an 18 year old, young adult go to college to get a degree, more than likely, they’re going to drop out anyway. Succeeding in college is something that one has to want to do. You can’t sleep walk through it like how you can high school. That’s why I feel going to college should be a personal choice, as well as entering the draft.
Obviously, it would be in someone’s best interest to get a college degree IF they didn’t have a chance of being at least a bench player on an NBA team though. Money can be too tempting to pass up on, and it will cause a player to pass up on college, but most of the guys who usually pass up college are surefire NBA players. There will always be busts no matter what level they’re coming from.
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Posted on: Wed, 02/16/2011 - 1:12pm #491591

Steroid
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If you have to make an 18 year old, young adult go to college by playing basketball, then they shouldn’t be going to college at all, peroid. The big time colleges don’t really care if these kids are graduating or not anyway because they’re making money off of them regardless.
Moreover, if you have to make an 18 year old, young adult go to college to get a degree, more than likely, they’re going to drop out anyway. Succeeding in college is something that one has to want to do. You can’t sleep walk through it like how you can high school. That’s why I feel going to college should be a personal choice, as well as entering the draft.
Obviously, it would be in someone’s best interest to get a college degree IF they didn’t have a chance of being at least a bench player on an NBA team though. Money can be too tempting to pass up on, and it will cause a player to pass up on college, but most of the guys who usually pass up college are surefire NBA players. There will always be busts no matter what level they’re coming from.
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Posted on: Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:16am #491929

Hitster
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The main Larry Bird rule as we know it relates to the exceeding the cap to resign players but he was drafted as a junior in 1978 and returned to college for his senior year under the "junior eligible" rule which was later changed to stop this happening again and thus became a lesser known Larry Bird rule.
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Posted on: Thu, 02/17/2011 - 3:16am #491968

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The main Larry Bird rule as we know it relates to the exceeding the cap to resign players but he was drafted as a junior in 1978 and returned to college for his senior year under the "junior eligible" rule which was later changed to stop this happening again and thus became a lesser known Larry Bird rule.
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