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- Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:29am #23587
Ghost01ParticipantI know I am a Bulls fan and I may completely bias. But some of you Westbrook/Rondo supporters are completely dilusional.
Derrick Rose is the star on a contender
Derrick Rose is the 2nd leading scorer in the NBA
Derrick Rose is DOMINATING games
Derrick Rose is hitting outside jump shots with ease.
Derrick Rose is a top 3 MVP candidate right now.
I love Westbrook and Rondo. And in many ways, these 2 are better than Rose. But what most of you arent accounting for is how Rose is the number 1 guy on his team, how Rose has LEAD his team to the playoffs everyyear of his career. And that we have never seen a player like Rose. His combination of athletism and and ball handling skills and finishing ability is one of a kind. He might not be a prototypical PG, but he is still a good passer, and is an absolutely elite offensive player.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:42am #447466
OhCanada-ParticipantWestbrook, Rose, Rondo are tied for the third best PG’s in the league right now imo. Rondo is slipping right now, but you can never really say that these guys are that much better because in a Playoff matchup Boston will win. Its definitely a tough one, but if the Bulls get the extra boost they need from Boozer to beat the Celtics in the Playoffs it has to be Rose. Also Rose’s playoff performances and Rondo’s playoff performances are absolutely amazing and I havent seen Westbrook play at that level in the postseason before.
Id say tied for 3rd but if I had to give an order…Rose, Rondo, Westbrook. Im not hating on Westbrook either he is my favourite player in the league right now, Im just being honest.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:42am #447467
OhCanada-ParticipantWestbrook, Rose, Rondo are tied for the third best PG’s in the league right now imo. Rondo is slipping right now, but you can never really say that these guys are that much better because in a Playoff matchup Boston will win. Its definitely a tough one, but if the Bulls get the extra boost they need from Boozer to beat the Celtics in the Playoffs it has to be Rose. Also Rose’s playoff performances and Rondo’s playoff performances are absolutely amazing and I havent seen Westbrook play at that level in the postseason before.
Id say tied for 3rd but if I had to give an order…Rose, Rondo, Westbrook. Im not hating on Westbrook either he is my favourite player in the league right now, Im just being honest.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:42am #447484
OhCanada-ParticipantWestbrook, Rose, Rondo are tied for the third best PG’s in the league right now imo. Rondo is slipping right now, but you can never really say that these guys are that much better because in a Playoff matchup Boston will win. Its definitely a tough one, but if the Bulls get the extra boost they need from Boozer to beat the Celtics in the Playoffs it has to be Rose. Also Rose’s playoff performances and Rondo’s playoff performances are absolutely amazing and I havent seen Westbrook play at that level in the postseason before.
Id say tied for 3rd but if I had to give an order…Rose, Rondo, Westbrook. Im not hating on Westbrook either he is my favourite player in the league right now, Im just being honest.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:51am #447499
Ghost01ParticipantI agree with you. Westbrook is amazing. But people are overreacting to him putting on a few nice games and people think hes a great defender when he really isnt. Hes a great 2nd option, and hes having a great year. But what Rose is doing is just flat out ridiculous. Rose is more of a scorer, but still handles the ball and makes the smart pass. Rondo is the best passer in the league, but hes so inept and things such as shooting or free throw shooting, that i just find if your hypothetically starting a team, he would definitely be the 3rd guy out of these 3, but if you have stars in place in alot of cases hes no.1.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:51am #447480
Ghost01ParticipantI agree with you. Westbrook is amazing. But people are overreacting to him putting on a few nice games and people think hes a great defender when he really isnt. Hes a great 2nd option, and hes having a great year. But what Rose is doing is just flat out ridiculous. Rose is more of a scorer, but still handles the ball and makes the smart pass. Rondo is the best passer in the league, but hes so inept and things such as shooting or free throw shooting, that i just find if your hypothetically starting a team, he would definitely be the 3rd guy out of these 3, but if you have stars in place in alot of cases hes no.1.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 8:51am #447482
Ghost01ParticipantI agree with you. Westbrook is amazing. But people are overreacting to him putting on a few nice games and people think hes a great defender when he really isnt. Hes a great 2nd option, and hes having a great year. But what Rose is doing is just flat out ridiculous. Rose is more of a scorer, but still handles the ball and makes the smart pass. Rondo is the best passer in the league, but hes so inept and things such as shooting or free throw shooting, that i just find if your hypothetically starting a team, he would definitely be the 3rd guy out of these 3, but if you have stars in place in alot of cases hes no.1.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 9:03am #447504
goneParticipantDidn’t hear anything about rose’s defense….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 9:03am #447510
goneParticipantDidn’t hear anything about rose’s defense….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 9:03am #447523
goneParticipantDidn’t hear anything about rose’s defense….
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 10:18am #447563
bdoody42ParticipantPeople really seem to forget this thing called defense where westbrook and rondo have a big advantage.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 10:18am #447567
bdoody42ParticipantPeople really seem to forget this thing called defense where westbrook and rondo have a big advantage.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 10:18am #447577
bdoody42ParticipantPeople really seem to forget this thing called defense where westbrook and rondo have a big advantage.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:37am #447669
JNixonParticipantDerrick Rose has the ability to carry a team that Westbrook doesn’t have (and I don’t think he’ll ever really get or really need to as much as Rose because of Durant), and that Rondo hasn’t had to show. Rose isn’t better than Rondo just yet, but I do think he’s proven to be better than Westbrook. I don’t think Westbrook would be as effective as Rose has been leading a team like the Bulls. Speculation, but I don’t think Westbrook is that kind of talent. He’s a great athlete and a very good player, but I don’t think he’s the type that can carry a team.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:37am #447676
JNixonParticipantDerrick Rose has the ability to carry a team that Westbrook doesn’t have (and I don’t think he’ll ever really get or really need to as much as Rose because of Durant), and that Rondo hasn’t had to show. Rose isn’t better than Rondo just yet, but I do think he’s proven to be better than Westbrook. I don’t think Westbrook would be as effective as Rose has been leading a team like the Bulls. Speculation, but I don’t think Westbrook is that kind of talent. He’s a great athlete and a very good player, but I don’t think he’s the type that can carry a team.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:37am #447686
JNixonParticipantDerrick Rose has the ability to carry a team that Westbrook doesn’t have (and I don’t think he’ll ever really get or really need to as much as Rose because of Durant), and that Rondo hasn’t had to show. Rose isn’t better than Rondo just yet, but I do think he’s proven to be better than Westbrook. I don’t think Westbrook would be as effective as Rose has been leading a team like the Bulls. Speculation, but I don’t think Westbrook is that kind of talent. He’s a great athlete and a very good player, but I don’t think he’s the type that can carry a team.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:47am #447696
stanford hoopsThere’s something called reality that people tend to ignore. Its not a valid argument to say westbrook cant do this or that if hes on this or that team. All that is guess work. Its OK to think westbrook cant do it but none of us know because he has kevin durant on his team and as of now westbrook is leading that team. Some rose supporters always like to leave out defense when comparing the players as well. what I’m interested in is what excuses people are gonna make when boozer comes back and roses scoring goes down. There’s clearly no clear cut answer to who’s better on offense. both put up good scoring numbers and both have carried there teams. Neither has gotten past the first round so neither is on contending teams until that happens no matter what happens in the regular season. The reason i continue to pick westrbook is because there’s two sides to basketball Offense and Defense and Wesbrook clearly has the edge in that department all the top point guards are good defenders , CP3,Rondo,Dwill yet for rose supporters hes the only player that they fail to mention on the defensive side of the ball like that’s not part of saying how good of a PLAYER he is.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:47am #447703
stanford hoopsThere’s something called reality that people tend to ignore. Its not a valid argument to say westbrook cant do this or that if hes on this or that team. All that is guess work. Its OK to think westbrook cant do it but none of us know because he has kevin durant on his team and as of now westbrook is leading that team. Some rose supporters always like to leave out defense when comparing the players as well. what I’m interested in is what excuses people are gonna make when boozer comes back and roses scoring goes down. There’s clearly no clear cut answer to who’s better on offense. both put up good scoring numbers and both have carried there teams. Neither has gotten past the first round so neither is on contending teams until that happens no matter what happens in the regular season. The reason i continue to pick westrbook is because there’s two sides to basketball Offense and Defense and Wesbrook clearly has the edge in that department all the top point guards are good defenders , CP3,Rondo,Dwill yet for rose supporters hes the only player that they fail to mention on the defensive side of the ball like that’s not part of saying how good of a PLAYER he is.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:47am #447713
stanford hoopsThere’s something called reality that people tend to ignore. Its not a valid argument to say westbrook cant do this or that if hes on this or that team. All that is guess work. Its OK to think westbrook cant do it but none of us know because he has kevin durant on his team and as of now westbrook is leading that team. Some rose supporters always like to leave out defense when comparing the players as well. what I’m interested in is what excuses people are gonna make when boozer comes back and roses scoring goes down. There’s clearly no clear cut answer to who’s better on offense. both put up good scoring numbers and both have carried there teams. Neither has gotten past the first round so neither is on contending teams until that happens no matter what happens in the regular season. The reason i continue to pick westrbook is because there’s two sides to basketball Offense and Defense and Wesbrook clearly has the edge in that department all the top point guards are good defenders , CP3,Rondo,Dwill yet for rose supporters hes the only player that they fail to mention on the defensive side of the ball like that’s not part of saying how good of a PLAYER he is.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:49am #447702
Ghost01ParticipantObviously none of you watch the Bulls. Rose is a mediocre defender. Not aweful, not at all. Hes pretty much outplayed Rondo head to head in his career, if anything has been even with him.
Westbrook isnt a great defender either. Rondo is, but Westbrook is vastly overrated defensively.
And you guys bring up defense because its the only thing Westbrook is better than Rose at.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:49am #447709
Ghost01ParticipantObviously none of you watch the Bulls. Rose is a mediocre defender. Not aweful, not at all. Hes pretty much outplayed Rondo head to head in his career, if anything has been even with him.
Westbrook isnt a great defender either. Rondo is, but Westbrook is vastly overrated defensively.
And you guys bring up defense because its the only thing Westbrook is better than Rose at.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:49am #447719
Ghost01ParticipantObviously none of you watch the Bulls. Rose is a mediocre defender. Not aweful, not at all. Hes pretty much outplayed Rondo head to head in his career, if anything has been even with him.
Westbrook isnt a great defender either. Rondo is, but Westbrook is vastly overrated defensively.
And you guys bring up defense because its the only thing Westbrook is better than Rose at.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:50am #447705
stanford hoopsIf Rose or rondo or another top point guard was on a team with the talent durant has we would be questioning if they could lead a team on there own which is natural. The same thing has been said about talents of the past Pippen
Kevin mchale
Duncan before robinson started to decline
magic without Kareem
Until a second option goes to a team where he is a first option its nothing but speculation. One thing is for sure though, if any of those point guards where on a team with durant they would become second options
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:50am #447712
stanford hoopsIf Rose or rondo or another top point guard was on a team with the talent durant has we would be questioning if they could lead a team on there own which is natural. The same thing has been said about talents of the past Pippen
Kevin mchale
Duncan before robinson started to decline
magic without Kareem
Until a second option goes to a team where he is a first option its nothing but speculation. One thing is for sure though, if any of those point guards where on a team with durant they would become second options
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:50am #447722
stanford hoopsIf Rose or rondo or another top point guard was on a team with the talent durant has we would be questioning if they could lead a team on there own which is natural. The same thing has been said about talents of the past Pippen
Kevin mchale
Duncan before robinson started to decline
magic without Kareem
Until a second option goes to a team where he is a first option its nothing but speculation. One thing is for sure though, if any of those point guards where on a team with durant they would become second options
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:58am #447720
FastAndFuriousParticipantI know one thing that does count Westbrook already out played him earlier this year!!!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:58am #447727
FastAndFuriousParticipantI know one thing that does count Westbrook already out played him earlier this year!!!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 11:58am #447737
FastAndFuriousParticipantI know one thing that does count Westbrook already out played him earlier this year!!!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:02pm #447726
stanford hoopsok lets break this down stat wise
Rose averages 2.3 more points then westbrook on 4.7 more shots a game
rose 1steal a game westbrook 2.17
westbrook averages .4 more assist
westbrook is ranked 5th in efficiancy rose ranked 9th
westbrook is clearly a better defender rose is average to below average defender
westbrook 5.1 rebounds a game rose 4.6
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:02pm #447733
stanford hoopsok lets break this down stat wise
Rose averages 2.3 more points then westbrook on 4.7 more shots a game
rose 1steal a game westbrook 2.17
westbrook averages .4 more assist
westbrook is ranked 5th in efficiancy rose ranked 9th
westbrook is clearly a better defender rose is average to below average defender
westbrook 5.1 rebounds a game rose 4.6
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:02pm #447743
stanford hoopsok lets break this down stat wise
Rose averages 2.3 more points then westbrook on 4.7 more shots a game
rose 1steal a game westbrook 2.17
westbrook averages .4 more assist
westbrook is ranked 5th in efficiancy rose ranked 9th
westbrook is clearly a better defender rose is average to below average defender
westbrook 5.1 rebounds a game rose 4.6
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:11pm #447749
Ghost01ParticipantStanford- that all just says they are pretty even. You are thinking about this all in stats. Ive watched every Rose game, and most of Westbrooks games. Rose has intangibles Westbrook just doesnt have. And quit acting like KD doesnt matter. Every coach is gameplanning around stopping KD. Do you really think defenses are keying on Luol Deng and Keith Bogans? Hellllllll no.
And you discounted stuff like:
Rose 26.6 at .468 FG shooting
Westbrook 23.8 at .447 FG shooting
Westbrook has no outside shot.
Stuff like that. Your just looking at certain stats. Watch the games, Westbrook is no more than a 2nd banana
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:11pm #447732
Ghost01ParticipantStanford- that all just says they are pretty even. You are thinking about this all in stats. Ive watched every Rose game, and most of Westbrooks games. Rose has intangibles Westbrook just doesnt have. And quit acting like KD doesnt matter. Every coach is gameplanning around stopping KD. Do you really think defenses are keying on Luol Deng and Keith Bogans? Hellllllll no.
And you discounted stuff like:
Rose 26.6 at .468 FG shooting
Westbrook 23.8 at .447 FG shooting
Westbrook has no outside shot.
Stuff like that. Your just looking at certain stats. Watch the games, Westbrook is no more than a 2nd banana
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:11pm #447738
Ghost01ParticipantStanford- that all just says they are pretty even. You are thinking about this all in stats. Ive watched every Rose game, and most of Westbrooks games. Rose has intangibles Westbrook just doesnt have. And quit acting like KD doesnt matter. Every coach is gameplanning around stopping KD. Do you really think defenses are keying on Luol Deng and Keith Bogans? Hellllllll no.
And you discounted stuff like:
Rose 26.6 at .468 FG shooting
Westbrook 23.8 at .447 FG shooting
Westbrook has no outside shot.
Stuff like that. Your just looking at certain stats. Watch the games, Westbrook is no more than a 2nd banana
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:15pm #447744
andxxxParticipant;these guys go beyond stats if we just went by stats this year rose would be a better defender slightly. rose allows 106 pts per 100 possesions and westbrook allows 107 pts per 100 possesions. We need to look at more than stats and westbrook isnt just a 2nd option did u not see wat he was doing when kd was out
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:15pm #447755
andxxxParticipant;these guys go beyond stats if we just went by stats this year rose would be a better defender slightly. rose allows 106 pts per 100 possesions and westbrook allows 107 pts per 100 possesions. We need to look at more than stats and westbrook isnt just a 2nd option did u not see wat he was doing when kd was out
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:15pm #447739
andxxxParticipant;these guys go beyond stats if we just went by stats this year rose would be a better defender slightly. rose allows 106 pts per 100 possesions and westbrook allows 107 pts per 100 possesions. We need to look at more than stats and westbrook isnt just a 2nd option did u not see wat he was doing when kd was out
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:15pm #447745
Ghost01ParticipantExactly. This guy throws a bunch of stats at how Westbrook is better than Rose, then just simply states "Westbrook is clearly a better defender than Rose" when the stats dont back that up.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:15pm #447750
Ghost01ParticipantExactly. This guy throws a bunch of stats at how Westbrook is better than Rose, then just simply states "Westbrook is clearly a better defender than Rose" when the stats dont back that up.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:15pm #447761
Ghost01ParticipantExactly. This guy throws a bunch of stats at how Westbrook is better than Rose, then just simply states "Westbrook is clearly a better defender than Rose" when the stats dont back that up.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:16pm #447748
OhCanada-ParticipantStanfordhoops is right, dont belive the hype. Without Westbrook OKC is a lottery selection team this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:16pm #447753
OhCanada-ParticipantStanfordhoops is right, dont belive the hype. Without Westbrook OKC is a lottery selection team this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:16pm #447764
OhCanada-ParticipantStanfordhoops is right, dont belive the hype. Without Westbrook OKC is a lottery selection team this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:19pm #447751
OhCanada-ParticipantI cant believe that second option nonsense, Im sure that the Heat would rather have Westbook and Wade/Lebron and Bosh then Wade, Lebron and Bosh.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:19pm #447756
OhCanada-ParticipantI cant believe that second option nonsense, Im sure that the Heat would rather have Westbook and Wade/Lebron and Bosh then Wade, Lebron and Bosh.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:19pm #447768
OhCanada-ParticipantI cant believe that second option nonsense, Im sure that the Heat would rather have Westbook and Wade/Lebron and Bosh then Wade, Lebron and Bosh.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:19pm #447754
stanford hoopsi just put the stats up there but I’m not going by just stats. after looking at ESPN is clear I’m not alone since they have westbrook as number 2 on the MVP voting and John Hollinger (who alot of people on here and the NBA go by for some reason) has Westbrook higher then rose as well as Westbrook having a per higher then rose. I mean if you look at stats and the games and factor in defense Westbrook is better. Im sure biased fans wont think so but as Dwight Howard sang in his commercial (with a word substituted)
"FAAAAAAACTS DOOOOOONT LIEEEEEEEE"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:19pm #447759
stanford hoopsi just put the stats up there but I’m not going by just stats. after looking at ESPN is clear I’m not alone since they have westbrook as number 2 on the MVP voting and John Hollinger (who alot of people on here and the NBA go by for some reason) has Westbrook higher then rose as well as Westbrook having a per higher then rose. I mean if you look at stats and the games and factor in defense Westbrook is better. Im sure biased fans wont think so but as Dwight Howard sang in his commercial (with a word substituted)
"FAAAAAAACTS DOOOOOONT LIEEEEEEEE"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:19pm #447770
stanford hoopsi just put the stats up there but I’m not going by just stats. after looking at ESPN is clear I’m not alone since they have westbrook as number 2 on the MVP voting and John Hollinger (who alot of people on here and the NBA go by for some reason) has Westbrook higher then rose as well as Westbrook having a per higher then rose. I mean if you look at stats and the games and factor in defense Westbrook is better. Im sure biased fans wont think so but as Dwight Howard sang in his commercial (with a word substituted)
"FAAAAAAACTS DOOOOOONT LIEEEEEEEE"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:23pm #447757
Ghost01ParticipantHollinger is a joke. I dont care what ESPN thinks. There is no evidence westbrook is better. This is 17 games or so. Mark my words, at the end of the season Derrick Rose will receive more MVP votes than Westbrook. And im still missing this westbrook is an elite defender nonsense.
ohcanada- however true, without Rose the Bulls might not have a win this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:23pm #447762
Ghost01ParticipantHollinger is a joke. I dont care what ESPN thinks. There is no evidence westbrook is better. This is 17 games or so. Mark my words, at the end of the season Derrick Rose will receive more MVP votes than Westbrook. And im still missing this westbrook is an elite defender nonsense.
ohcanada- however true, without Rose the Bulls might not have a win this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:23pm #447773
Ghost01ParticipantHollinger is a joke. I dont care what ESPN thinks. There is no evidence westbrook is better. This is 17 games or so. Mark my words, at the end of the season Derrick Rose will receive more MVP votes than Westbrook. And im still missing this westbrook is an elite defender nonsense.
ohcanada- however true, without Rose the Bulls might not have a win this year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:24pm #447760
stanford hoopshttp://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5866036
Im not so sure about Leglers claim that westbrook is a legit 6’6 though
Seems Espn doesnt agree with you as far as westbrook being a top 3 MVP candidate
Also OKC is better then the bulls in a better conference
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:24pm #447765
stanford hoopshttp://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5866036
Im not so sure about Leglers claim that westbrook is a legit 6’6 though
Seems Espn doesnt agree with you as far as westbrook being a top 3 MVP candidate
Also OKC is better then the bulls in a better conference
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:24pm #447776
stanford hoopshttp://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5866036
Im not so sure about Leglers claim that westbrook is a legit 6’6 though
Seems Espn doesnt agree with you as far as westbrook being a top 3 MVP candidate
Also OKC is better then the bulls in a better conference
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:25pm #447763
stanford hoopslol..like i said biased…you will believe what you wanna believe which is cool
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:25pm #447767
stanford hoopslol..like i said biased…you will believe what you wanna believe which is cool
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:25pm #447779
stanford hoopslol..like i said biased…you will believe what you wanna believe which is cool
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:29pm #447772
JNixonParticipantLol alot of the efficiency is slightly lower for Rose because he’s depended on for more than Westbrook is. I see Rose as a true franchise player, if he hasn’t proven it so far. I don’t think Westbrook is capable of carrying a franchise, at least not at Rose’s level. Westbrook might do things that catches peoples eyes and whatever makes everyone get excited, but Rose is carrying the Bulls basically with only OK talent. I don’t see Westbrook as that kind of player. He’s a complementary piece in my eyes.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:29pm #447777
JNixonParticipantLol alot of the efficiency is slightly lower for Rose because he’s depended on for more than Westbrook is. I see Rose as a true franchise player, if he hasn’t proven it so far. I don’t think Westbrook is capable of carrying a franchise, at least not at Rose’s level. Westbrook might do things that catches peoples eyes and whatever makes everyone get excited, but Rose is carrying the Bulls basically with only OK talent. I don’t see Westbrook as that kind of player. He’s a complementary piece in my eyes.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:29pm #447789
JNixonParticipantLol alot of the efficiency is slightly lower for Rose because he’s depended on for more than Westbrook is. I see Rose as a true franchise player, if he hasn’t proven it so far. I don’t think Westbrook is capable of carrying a franchise, at least not at Rose’s level. Westbrook might do things that catches peoples eyes and whatever makes everyone get excited, but Rose is carrying the Bulls basically with only OK talent. I don’t see Westbrook as that kind of player. He’s a complementary piece in my eyes.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:36pm #447781
hiphopismylifeParticipantI agree. I will take Rose over Westbrook. He is emerging as a go to-guy on a playoff franchise, and those are not easy to come by.
As far as Rose and Rondo go, I heard an analyst say that he would rather have Rose in Chicago and Rondo in Boston. That sounds about right on paper, with Rondo’s leadership, defense, and great passing, but I would think long and hard about it if I was the Celtics and had the oppurtunity to swap Rondo for Rose. The way Rose can attack a defense is so rare it could work for any team, and he has shown the ability to defer to other great players, then attack when the pressure is at its highest
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:36pm #447785
hiphopismylifeParticipantI agree. I will take Rose over Westbrook. He is emerging as a go to-guy on a playoff franchise, and those are not easy to come by.
As far as Rose and Rondo go, I heard an analyst say that he would rather have Rose in Chicago and Rondo in Boston. That sounds about right on paper, with Rondo’s leadership, defense, and great passing, but I would think long and hard about it if I was the Celtics and had the oppurtunity to swap Rondo for Rose. The way Rose can attack a defense is so rare it could work for any team, and he has shown the ability to defer to other great players, then attack when the pressure is at its highest
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:36pm #447798
hiphopismylifeParticipantI agree. I will take Rose over Westbrook. He is emerging as a go to-guy on a playoff franchise, and those are not easy to come by.
As far as Rose and Rondo go, I heard an analyst say that he would rather have Rose in Chicago and Rondo in Boston. That sounds about right on paper, with Rondo’s leadership, defense, and great passing, but I would think long and hard about it if I was the Celtics and had the oppurtunity to swap Rondo for Rose. The way Rose can attack a defense is so rare it could work for any team, and he has shown the ability to defer to other great players, then attack when the pressure is at its highest
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:39pm #447787
stanford hoopsI dont mind that because those things cant be proven( carrying a franchise or being a first option) because westbrook has durant (although right now its clear westbrook is the best player on the thunder and he is actually leading the thunder) But looking at the starting five id take westbrook and durant but I’d Also take Noah and deng so its not like rose is playing with a bunch of nobody’s. Rose has shown he can carry a team to a first round of the playoffs same as a bunch of other players int he past which is good but nothing to brag about. I believe westbrook can do the same but just like people saying they dont think westbrook can its all IF’s and cant be proven.
As far as efficiency and depended on many of stars have been number one when they were in the position that rose is in, some of which had less talent then rose has around him
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:39pm #447791
stanford hoopsI dont mind that because those things cant be proven( carrying a franchise or being a first option) because westbrook has durant (although right now its clear westbrook is the best player on the thunder and he is actually leading the thunder) But looking at the starting five id take westbrook and durant but I’d Also take Noah and deng so its not like rose is playing with a bunch of nobody’s. Rose has shown he can carry a team to a first round of the playoffs same as a bunch of other players int he past which is good but nothing to brag about. I believe westbrook can do the same but just like people saying they dont think westbrook can its all IF’s and cant be proven.
As far as efficiency and depended on many of stars have been number one when they were in the position that rose is in, some of which had less talent then rose has around him
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:39pm #447804
stanford hoopsI dont mind that because those things cant be proven( carrying a franchise or being a first option) because westbrook has durant (although right now its clear westbrook is the best player on the thunder and he is actually leading the thunder) But looking at the starting five id take westbrook and durant but I’d Also take Noah and deng so its not like rose is playing with a bunch of nobody’s. Rose has shown he can carry a team to a first round of the playoffs same as a bunch of other players int he past which is good but nothing to brag about. I believe westbrook can do the same but just like people saying they dont think westbrook can its all IF’s and cant be proven.
As far as efficiency and depended on many of stars have been number one when they were in the position that rose is in, some of which had less talent then rose has around him
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:45pm #447793
Ghost01ParticipantWestbrook has outplayed Durant in like 5 games, of which Durant either didnt play or is playing hurt, and now hes there best player? Give me a break.
You are talking about stats that dont matter. Westbrook doesnt carry his team, Rose does, thats the difference, just give up already. Rose is a better player. Hes on a team filled with mediocrity, and has them in the eastern conference playoff mix. Westbrook still isnt even the top guy on his team. Durant will always be the leader of that team. Your just like fools that were saying Gasol was the Lakers star now because the first 4 games of the season he scored more points. Wait til were halfway through the season, and stuff will average out.
Rose joined a lottery team his rookie year and has been the leader since day 1. Westbrook’s rookie year started 3-17. Dont look at 10 games and say "Westbrook is sooooooo much better". Look at the big picture, who they are playing with, who they are playing for, and what theyve done entirely.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:45pm #447797
Ghost01ParticipantWestbrook has outplayed Durant in like 5 games, of which Durant either didnt play or is playing hurt, and now hes there best player? Give me a break.
You are talking about stats that dont matter. Westbrook doesnt carry his team, Rose does, thats the difference, just give up already. Rose is a better player. Hes on a team filled with mediocrity, and has them in the eastern conference playoff mix. Westbrook still isnt even the top guy on his team. Durant will always be the leader of that team. Your just like fools that were saying Gasol was the Lakers star now because the first 4 games of the season he scored more points. Wait til were halfway through the season, and stuff will average out.
Rose joined a lottery team his rookie year and has been the leader since day 1. Westbrook’s rookie year started 3-17. Dont look at 10 games and say "Westbrook is sooooooo much better". Look at the big picture, who they are playing with, who they are playing for, and what theyve done entirely.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:45pm #447810
Ghost01ParticipantWestbrook has outplayed Durant in like 5 games, of which Durant either didnt play or is playing hurt, and now hes there best player? Give me a break.
You are talking about stats that dont matter. Westbrook doesnt carry his team, Rose does, thats the difference, just give up already. Rose is a better player. Hes on a team filled with mediocrity, and has them in the eastern conference playoff mix. Westbrook still isnt even the top guy on his team. Durant will always be the leader of that team. Your just like fools that were saying Gasol was the Lakers star now because the first 4 games of the season he scored more points. Wait til were halfway through the season, and stuff will average out.
Rose joined a lottery team his rookie year and has been the leader since day 1. Westbrook’s rookie year started 3-17. Dont look at 10 games and say "Westbrook is sooooooo much better". Look at the big picture, who they are playing with, who they are playing for, and what theyve done entirely.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:58pm #447802
stanford hoopsWestbrook has never carried the thunder?..lol
so far i haven’t seen any facts i hear " rose can lead a team and westbrook cant" which isn’t a fact and cant be proven because westbrook has durant.
Rose had ben gordan his first year so its not like rose lead them to where they were
i look at everything up to this point stats, head to head match up, and games. I’m not like rose fans who ignore defense because that is 50percent of the whole picture just like offense is the other 50percent when talking about how good a player is.
like i said can we come with some facts that can be proven. leading a team obviously cant be proven since westbrook has durant
Also Ive been saying westbrook is better even before this year. you’re new (so you claim) so maybe you must have missed that. You’Re obviously too blinded by your biases to see anything but rose rose rose I’m just glad that I’m not the only one who thinks westbrook is better at this point ( thanks hollinger and ESPN who everyone here watches every day like its the real news). More and more people have come to the side of westbrook with more to follow. Its ok ill leave room on the bandwagon for you and Iggy to join as well:)
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:58pm #447806
stanford hoopsWestbrook has never carried the thunder?..lol
so far i haven’t seen any facts i hear " rose can lead a team and westbrook cant" which isn’t a fact and cant be proven because westbrook has durant.
Rose had ben gordan his first year so its not like rose lead them to where they were
i look at everything up to this point stats, head to head match up, and games. I’m not like rose fans who ignore defense because that is 50percent of the whole picture just like offense is the other 50percent when talking about how good a player is.
like i said can we come with some facts that can be proven. leading a team obviously cant be proven since westbrook has durant
Also Ive been saying westbrook is better even before this year. you’re new (so you claim) so maybe you must have missed that. You’Re obviously too blinded by your biases to see anything but rose rose rose I’m just glad that I’m not the only one who thinks westbrook is better at this point ( thanks hollinger and ESPN who everyone here watches every day like its the real news). More and more people have come to the side of westbrook with more to follow. Its ok ill leave room on the bandwagon for you and Iggy to join as well:)
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:58pm #447819
stanford hoopsWestbrook has never carried the thunder?..lol
so far i haven’t seen any facts i hear " rose can lead a team and westbrook cant" which isn’t a fact and cant be proven because westbrook has durant.
Rose had ben gordan his first year so its not like rose lead them to where they were
i look at everything up to this point stats, head to head match up, and games. I’m not like rose fans who ignore defense because that is 50percent of the whole picture just like offense is the other 50percent when talking about how good a player is.
like i said can we come with some facts that can be proven. leading a team obviously cant be proven since westbrook has durant
Also Ive been saying westbrook is better even before this year. you’re new (so you claim) so maybe you must have missed that. You’Re obviously too blinded by your biases to see anything but rose rose rose I’m just glad that I’m not the only one who thinks westbrook is better at this point ( thanks hollinger and ESPN who everyone here watches every day like its the real news). More and more people have come to the side of westbrook with more to follow. Its ok ill leave room on the bandwagon for you and Iggy to join as well:)
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:00pm #447808
stanford hoopsIn a way like a boxer with the same record and with fights against one another in the past but in the last head to head match up one boxerknocks the other boxer out as far as head to head, lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:00pm #447812
stanford hoopsIn a way like a boxer with the same record and with fights against one another in the past but in the last head to head match up one boxerknocks the other boxer out as far as head to head, lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:00pm #447825
stanford hoopsIn a way like a boxer with the same record and with fights against one another in the past but in the last head to head match up one boxerknocks the other boxer out as far as head to head, lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:06pm #447814
Ghost01ParticipantSaying defense is 50 percent of the game is ridiculous. Dennis Rodman isnt in the hall of fame.
Here are the facts:
Rose has a better winning percentage than westbrook
Rose has always been the leading scorer on his team, westbrook hasnt.
Rose is 2nd in the NBA in scoring behind westbrooks teammate
Rose has a higher FG% than westbrook
Rose is less than half of an assist behind westbrook
Statistically they are on par defensively. 106 per 100 for Rose, 107 per 100 for Westbrook.
Those are stats, and facts, that relate to being a good basketball player. Rose is better.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:06pm #447818
Ghost01ParticipantSaying defense is 50 percent of the game is ridiculous. Dennis Rodman isnt in the hall of fame.
Here are the facts:
Rose has a better winning percentage than westbrook
Rose has always been the leading scorer on his team, westbrook hasnt.
Rose is 2nd in the NBA in scoring behind westbrooks teammate
Rose has a higher FG% than westbrook
Rose is less than half of an assist behind westbrook
Statistically they are on par defensively. 106 per 100 for Rose, 107 per 100 for Westbrook.
Those are stats, and facts, that relate to being a good basketball player. Rose is better.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:06pm #447829
Ghost01ParticipantSaying defense is 50 percent of the game is ridiculous. Dennis Rodman isnt in the hall of fame.
Here are the facts:
Rose has a better winning percentage than westbrook
Rose has always been the leading scorer on his team, westbrook hasnt.
Rose is 2nd in the NBA in scoring behind westbrooks teammate
Rose has a higher FG% than westbrook
Rose is less than half of an assist behind westbrook
Statistically they are on par defensively. 106 per 100 for Rose, 107 per 100 for Westbrook.
Those are stats, and facts, that relate to being a good basketball player. Rose is better.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:18pm #447826
stanford hoopswho ever plays on a team with durant is gonna be the second leading scorer on there team ..lol
neither has gotten past the first round
the west is clearly better then the east
im not gonna even argue about defense because no one ever argues that rose is close to being on par with westbrook so ill ignore that part
ellis is in front of gasol in scoring. guess ellis is better but since we are going by stats
rose averages 2points more then westbrook taking 5 more shots
rose is less efficiant so even though hes scoring more westbrook is more efficiant
westbrook gets more steals
westbrook gets more rebounds
westbrook is higher on the mvp list
rose plays 2 more min per game
westbrook is a better free throw shooter
rose is a better three point shooter both are bad three point shooters as well as shooters period
westbrook has to match up against CP3,Dwill,Nash in the west
Rose has to match up with Rondo,Jameer nelson, and………………….jru holiday?…man thats a tight battle..lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:18pm #447830
stanford hoopswho ever plays on a team with durant is gonna be the second leading scorer on there team ..lol
neither has gotten past the first round
the west is clearly better then the east
im not gonna even argue about defense because no one ever argues that rose is close to being on par with westbrook so ill ignore that part
ellis is in front of gasol in scoring. guess ellis is better but since we are going by stats
rose averages 2points more then westbrook taking 5 more shots
rose is less efficiant so even though hes scoring more westbrook is more efficiant
westbrook gets more steals
westbrook gets more rebounds
westbrook is higher on the mvp list
rose plays 2 more min per game
westbrook is a better free throw shooter
rose is a better three point shooter both are bad three point shooters as well as shooters period
westbrook has to match up against CP3,Dwill,Nash in the west
Rose has to match up with Rondo,Jameer nelson, and………………….jru holiday?…man thats a tight battle..lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:18pm #447841
stanford hoopswho ever plays on a team with durant is gonna be the second leading scorer on there team ..lol
neither has gotten past the first round
the west is clearly better then the east
im not gonna even argue about defense because no one ever argues that rose is close to being on par with westbrook so ill ignore that part
ellis is in front of gasol in scoring. guess ellis is better but since we are going by stats
rose averages 2points more then westbrook taking 5 more shots
rose is less efficiant so even though hes scoring more westbrook is more efficiant
westbrook gets more steals
westbrook gets more rebounds
westbrook is higher on the mvp list
rose plays 2 more min per game
westbrook is a better free throw shooter
rose is a better three point shooter both are bad three point shooters as well as shooters period
westbrook has to match up against CP3,Dwill,Nash in the west
Rose has to match up with Rondo,Jameer nelson, and………………….jru holiday?…man thats a tight battle..lol
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:20pm #447836
stanford hoopsI just hope i dont hear a bunch of excuses once rose scoring goes down when boozer comes back. both players will have scorers on there team then and there shouldnt be any reason for rose to average less points then westbrook since durant will more then likely score more then boozer by at least 6 points and take more shots. so we shall see who is gonna be the better scorer when both will have a legit 20ppg or more scoring option by there side.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:20pm #447840
stanford hoopsI just hope i dont hear a bunch of excuses once rose scoring goes down when boozer comes back. both players will have scorers on there team then and there shouldnt be any reason for rose to average less points then westbrook since durant will more then likely score more then boozer by at least 6 points and take more shots. so we shall see who is gonna be the better scorer when both will have a legit 20ppg or more scoring option by there side.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:20pm #447850
stanford hoopsI just hope i dont hear a bunch of excuses once rose scoring goes down when boozer comes back. both players will have scorers on there team then and there shouldnt be any reason for rose to average less points then westbrook since durant will more then likely score more then boozer by at least 6 points and take more shots. so we shall see who is gonna be the better scorer when both will have a legit 20ppg or more scoring option by there side.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:23pm #447848
Ghost01ParticipantTheres no reason to find anything you say credible when you change your story every comment.
Its about stats
Then its not about stats
Sorry Rose didnt force a trade to the worst team in the west to prove hes better than every player in the history of basketball.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:23pm #447851
Ghost01ParticipantTheres no reason to find anything you say credible when you change your story every comment.
Its about stats
Then its not about stats
Sorry Rose didnt force a trade to the worst team in the west to prove hes better than every player in the history of basketball.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:23pm #447862
Ghost01ParticipantTheres no reason to find anything you say credible when you change your story every comment.
Its about stats
Then its not about stats
Sorry Rose didnt force a trade to the worst team in the west to prove hes better than every player in the history of basketball.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:36pm #447874
butidonthavemoney"There’s something called reality that people tend to ignore. Its not a valid argument to say westbrook cant do this or that if hes on this or that team."
BAM!
People shouldn’t be using fallacies in their arguments. I agree infinity percent.
P.S. – Two cents: I’ll take Westbrook over Rose.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:36pm #447877
butidonthavemoney"There’s something called reality that people tend to ignore. Its not a valid argument to say westbrook cant do this or that if hes on this or that team."
BAM!
People shouldn’t be using fallacies in their arguments. I agree infinity percent.
P.S. – Two cents: I’ll take Westbrook over Rose.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:36pm #447886
butidonthavemoney"There’s something called reality that people tend to ignore. Its not a valid argument to say westbrook cant do this or that if hes on this or that team."
BAM!
People shouldn’t be using fallacies in their arguments. I agree infinity percent.
P.S. – Two cents: I’ll take Westbrook over Rose.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:42pm #447883
stanford hoopslol….it just make no sense when people do that since theres no proof saying that westbrook cant lead a team. plsu the fact that even if they switched places that argument wouldnt be valid because rose would be a second option behind durant just like every other player not named kobe,lebron,wade. I remember having the same argument years ago with a uncle because he thought clyde drexler was better then pippen since he scored more and was a first opinion while pippen was a second option. i was like " pippen has MJ as his first option so of course hes gonna be a second option,clyde would be a second option as well on the bulls team with MJ"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:42pm #447885
stanford hoopslol….it just make no sense when people do that since theres no proof saying that westbrook cant lead a team. plsu the fact that even if they switched places that argument wouldnt be valid because rose would be a second option behind durant just like every other player not named kobe,lebron,wade. I remember having the same argument years ago with a uncle because he thought clyde drexler was better then pippen since he scored more and was a first opinion while pippen was a second option. i was like " pippen has MJ as his first option so of course hes gonna be a second option,clyde would be a second option as well on the bulls team with MJ"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:42pm #447894
stanford hoopslol….it just make no sense when people do that since theres no proof saying that westbrook cant lead a team. plsu the fact that even if they switched places that argument wouldnt be valid because rose would be a second option behind durant just like every other player not named kobe,lebron,wade. I remember having the same argument years ago with a uncle because he thought clyde drexler was better then pippen since he scored more and was a first opinion while pippen was a second option. i was like " pippen has MJ as his first option so of course hes gonna be a second option,clyde would be a second option as well on the bulls team with MJ"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:46pm #447890
the fanParticipant1.who ever plays on a team with durant is gonna be the second leading scorer on there team ..lol
2.neither has gotten past the first round
3.the west is clearly better then the east
4.im not gonna even argue about defense because no one ever argues that rose is close to being on par with
westbrook so ill ignore that part
5.ellis is in front of gasol in scoring. guess ellis is better but since we are going by stats
6.rose averages 2points more then westbrook taking 5 more shots
7.rose is less efficiant so even though hes scoring more westbrook is more efficiant
8.westbrook gets more steals
9.westbrook gets more rebounds
10.westbrook is higher on the mvp list
11.rose plays 2 more min per game
12.westbrook is a better free throw shooter
13.rose is a better three point shooter both are bad three point shooters as well as shooters period
14.westbrook has to match up against CP3,Dwill,Nash in the west
15.Rose has to match up with Rondo,Jameer nelson, and………………….jru holiday?…man thats a tight battle..lolIn all honesty almost all of this argument should be thrown out, it is absolute garbage.
1. So?
2. The Bulls have played the Celtics and Cavs in their two postseason appearances with Rose, the Thunder played the Lakers, neither was going to win so why even bring that up.
3.What does that have to do with anything? The Bulls have played the toughest schedule in the NBA thus far and are still winning.
4. If you go by stats (which you do for westbrook but nor for rose) it’s shown they’re the same, stop ignoring it.
5. They are not even the same position, and gasol has Kobe, another horrible point to bring up.
6. While shooting like 4% better from the field and he has to take more shots to win, which is working.
7. As opposed to PER? Who cares? I’ll take the guy who is shooting a career low in FG% and still dominating, just wait for Boozer to come so he doesn’t have to force everything.
8. Overrated stat, but take your steals it’s not a huge indacator about a player at all.
9. They have Joakim Noah for that purpose, get the board toss it to Rose and start the break, BTW why do rebounds matter for a pg?
10. OMG! One guys list! A guy who emitted Chris Paul from his top 5 I believe, like why does that matter at all?
11. So? Are you trying to say Rose is more durable? Or he plays more because they need him to for them to win? What kind of stat are you trying to bring up?
12. Win for you.
13. If you watched Rose you can see he actually makes 3’s now and isn’t a poor shooter at all. Of course you would try and throw this out because Rose is improving here greatly.
14. Huge deal, so he has to play each of them a few more times per year then Rose? It’s not like he plays them all year long, it’s a few games each. This means nothing whatsoever.
15. Read 14.Honestly if you want to make an argument about Rose vs. Westbrook (which is still a debate) make a decent argument that doesn’t completely bias your side. You have ignored every post or belittled every argument made about Rose. You only use 1/2 of the stats and those are the ones that all favor Westbrook. This is 100% bias and one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen on here. Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page. I see no point in responding after this post, because I’m positive you will just belittle it as well. Good day.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:46pm #447895
the fanParticipant1.who ever plays on a team with durant is gonna be the second leading scorer on there team ..lol
2.neither has gotten past the first round
3.the west is clearly better then the east
4.im not gonna even argue about defense because no one ever argues that rose is close to being on par with
westbrook so ill ignore that part
5.ellis is in front of gasol in scoring. guess ellis is better but since we are going by stats
6.rose averages 2points more then westbrook taking 5 more shots
7.rose is less efficiant so even though hes scoring more westbrook is more efficiant
8.westbrook gets more steals
9.westbrook gets more rebounds
10.westbrook is higher on the mvp list
11.rose plays 2 more min per game
12.westbrook is a better free throw shooter
13.rose is a better three point shooter both are bad three point shooters as well as shooters period
14.westbrook has to match up against CP3,Dwill,Nash in the west
15.Rose has to match up with Rondo,Jameer nelson, and………………….jru holiday?…man thats a tight battle..lolIn all honesty almost all of this argument should be thrown out, it is absolute garbage.
1. So?
2. The Bulls have played the Celtics and Cavs in their two postseason appearances with Rose, the Thunder played the Lakers, neither was going to win so why even bring that up.
3.What does that have to do with anything? The Bulls have played the toughest schedule in the NBA thus far and are still winning.
4. If you go by stats (which you do for westbrook but nor for rose) it’s shown they’re the same, stop ignoring it.
5. They are not even the same position, and gasol has Kobe, another horrible point to bring up.
6. While shooting like 4% better from the field and he has to take more shots to win, which is working.
7. As opposed to PER? Who cares? I’ll take the guy who is shooting a career low in FG% and still dominating, just wait for Boozer to come so he doesn’t have to force everything.
8. Overrated stat, but take your steals it’s not a huge indacator about a player at all.
9. They have Joakim Noah for that purpose, get the board toss it to Rose and start the break, BTW why do rebounds matter for a pg?
10. OMG! One guys list! A guy who emitted Chris Paul from his top 5 I believe, like why does that matter at all?
11. So? Are you trying to say Rose is more durable? Or he plays more because they need him to for them to win? What kind of stat are you trying to bring up?
12. Win for you.
13. If you watched Rose you can see he actually makes 3’s now and isn’t a poor shooter at all. Of course you would try and throw this out because Rose is improving here greatly.
14. Huge deal, so he has to play each of them a few more times per year then Rose? It’s not like he plays them all year long, it’s a few games each. This means nothing whatsoever.
15. Read 14.Honestly if you want to make an argument about Rose vs. Westbrook (which is still a debate) make a decent argument that doesn’t completely bias your side. You have ignored every post or belittled every argument made about Rose. You only use 1/2 of the stats and those are the ones that all favor Westbrook. This is 100% bias and one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen on here. Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page. I see no point in responding after this post, because I’m positive you will just belittle it as well. Good day.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:46pm #447903
the fanParticipant1.who ever plays on a team with durant is gonna be the second leading scorer on there team ..lol
2.neither has gotten past the first round
3.the west is clearly better then the east
4.im not gonna even argue about defense because no one ever argues that rose is close to being on par with
westbrook so ill ignore that part
5.ellis is in front of gasol in scoring. guess ellis is better but since we are going by stats
6.rose averages 2points more then westbrook taking 5 more shots
7.rose is less efficiant so even though hes scoring more westbrook is more efficiant
8.westbrook gets more steals
9.westbrook gets more rebounds
10.westbrook is higher on the mvp list
11.rose plays 2 more min per game
12.westbrook is a better free throw shooter
13.rose is a better three point shooter both are bad three point shooters as well as shooters period
14.westbrook has to match up against CP3,Dwill,Nash in the west
15.Rose has to match up with Rondo,Jameer nelson, and………………….jru holiday?…man thats a tight battle..lolIn all honesty almost all of this argument should be thrown out, it is absolute garbage.
1. So?
2. The Bulls have played the Celtics and Cavs in their two postseason appearances with Rose, the Thunder played the Lakers, neither was going to win so why even bring that up.
3.What does that have to do with anything? The Bulls have played the toughest schedule in the NBA thus far and are still winning.
4. If you go by stats (which you do for westbrook but nor for rose) it’s shown they’re the same, stop ignoring it.
5. They are not even the same position, and gasol has Kobe, another horrible point to bring up.
6. While shooting like 4% better from the field and he has to take more shots to win, which is working.
7. As opposed to PER? Who cares? I’ll take the guy who is shooting a career low in FG% and still dominating, just wait for Boozer to come so he doesn’t have to force everything.
8. Overrated stat, but take your steals it’s not a huge indacator about a player at all.
9. They have Joakim Noah for that purpose, get the board toss it to Rose and start the break, BTW why do rebounds matter for a pg?
10. OMG! One guys list! A guy who emitted Chris Paul from his top 5 I believe, like why does that matter at all?
11. So? Are you trying to say Rose is more durable? Or he plays more because they need him to for them to win? What kind of stat are you trying to bring up?
12. Win for you.
13. If you watched Rose you can see he actually makes 3’s now and isn’t a poor shooter at all. Of course you would try and throw this out because Rose is improving here greatly.
14. Huge deal, so he has to play each of them a few more times per year then Rose? It’s not like he plays them all year long, it’s a few games each. This means nothing whatsoever.
15. Read 14.Honestly if you want to make an argument about Rose vs. Westbrook (which is still a debate) make a decent argument that doesn’t completely bias your side. You have ignored every post or belittled every argument made about Rose. You only use 1/2 of the stats and those are the ones that all favor Westbrook. This is 100% bias and one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen on here. Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page. I see no point in responding after this post, because I’m positive you will just belittle it as well. Good day.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:51pm #447899
dolla130Participantgimme a break how are u gonna listen too a dude who says westbrook is a legit 6’6 are you serious, also rose is better then westbrook, yeah westbrook has put on a show for the past few games but hes a legit star in this league i expect something like that from him expecially since durant was hurt now saying that look at the teams hes done it against aside from the hornets he did it against indiana and houston and that game against the celtics was cute but rondo got hurt so who knows how that could have turned out, now on the other side rose has been doing this all season and since the 2nd half of last season leading his team bringing them back from huge hole, putting chicago on his back and hes been doin that since his rookie season, and people bring up defense between the two like its that serious IMO none of them are great defenders not rondo not paul williams westbrook there all average to above average to me,but on the other hand besides looking at "STATS" rose is a better scorer then all of them with his semi increased range while shooting a better FG percentage and shooting less FTs and as far as passing the ball the only people ahead of him in this discussion are paul and williams dont get me wrong rondo is a good passer but its kind of simple to jus leave the ball behind for ray allen and peirce for them to knock down a open jumper think every single top pg can do that so can people please ease up on the westbrook talk hes like scottie pippen and will always be that while rose on the other hand is a franchise player who is doing this while playing without the player who is supposed to make it easier for him
FACTS dont lie
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/26/race-to-mvp-week5/index.html
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:51pm #447904
dolla130Participantgimme a break how are u gonna listen too a dude who says westbrook is a legit 6’6 are you serious, also rose is better then westbrook, yeah westbrook has put on a show for the past few games but hes a legit star in this league i expect something like that from him expecially since durant was hurt now saying that look at the teams hes done it against aside from the hornets he did it against indiana and houston and that game against the celtics was cute but rondo got hurt so who knows how that could have turned out, now on the other side rose has been doing this all season and since the 2nd half of last season leading his team bringing them back from huge hole, putting chicago on his back and hes been doin that since his rookie season, and people bring up defense between the two like its that serious IMO none of them are great defenders not rondo not paul williams westbrook there all average to above average to me,but on the other hand besides looking at "STATS" rose is a better scorer then all of them with his semi increased range while shooting a better FG percentage and shooting less FTs and as far as passing the ball the only people ahead of him in this discussion are paul and williams dont get me wrong rondo is a good passer but its kind of simple to jus leave the ball behind for ray allen and peirce for them to knock down a open jumper think every single top pg can do that so can people please ease up on the westbrook talk hes like scottie pippen and will always be that while rose on the other hand is a franchise player who is doing this while playing without the player who is supposed to make it easier for him
FACTS dont lie
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/26/race-to-mvp-week5/index.html
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:51pm #447911
dolla130Participantgimme a break how are u gonna listen too a dude who says westbrook is a legit 6’6 are you serious, also rose is better then westbrook, yeah westbrook has put on a show for the past few games but hes a legit star in this league i expect something like that from him expecially since durant was hurt now saying that look at the teams hes done it against aside from the hornets he did it against indiana and houston and that game against the celtics was cute but rondo got hurt so who knows how that could have turned out, now on the other side rose has been doing this all season and since the 2nd half of last season leading his team bringing them back from huge hole, putting chicago on his back and hes been doin that since his rookie season, and people bring up defense between the two like its that serious IMO none of them are great defenders not rondo not paul williams westbrook there all average to above average to me,but on the other hand besides looking at "STATS" rose is a better scorer then all of them with his semi increased range while shooting a better FG percentage and shooting less FTs and as far as passing the ball the only people ahead of him in this discussion are paul and williams dont get me wrong rondo is a good passer but its kind of simple to jus leave the ball behind for ray allen and peirce for them to knock down a open jumper think every single top pg can do that so can people please ease up on the westbrook talk hes like scottie pippen and will always be that while rose on the other hand is a franchise player who is doing this while playing without the player who is supposed to make it easier for him
FACTS dont lie
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/26/race-to-mvp-week5/index.html
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:53pm #447912
the fanParticipantPS: My argument shows ignorance in many places to mimmick how you have done so to literally every Rose argument. Points 1, 8 and 12 are all true in your original statement.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:53pm #447916
the fanParticipantPS: My argument shows ignorance in many places to mimmick how you have done so to literally every Rose argument. Points 1, 8 and 12 are all true in your original statement.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:53pm #447923
the fanParticipantPS: My argument shows ignorance in many places to mimmick how you have done so to literally every Rose argument. Points 1, 8 and 12 are all true in your original statement.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:54pm #447915
bdoody42ParticipantRondo is the only one of the 3 to win a playoff series. Against the Bulls he lead the Celtics past the Bulls. He lead.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:54pm #447919
bdoody42ParticipantRondo is the only one of the 3 to win a playoff series. Against the Bulls he lead the Celtics past the Bulls. He lead.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 1:54pm #447926
bdoody42ParticipantRondo is the only one of the 3 to win a playoff series. Against the Bulls he lead the Celtics past the Bulls. He lead.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:25pm #448002
IndianaBasketballParticipantWestbrook has improved a lot and it’s close, but I’d still go with Rose. Rose just has a better feel for the game and makes better decisions with the ball in my opinion.
There were good points made above about Westbrook’s defense. He’s active and hustles, but I think his defense is a little overrated. He’s not a lockdown defender at all. Even still though, he’s a better defender than Rose.
It’ll be interesting to see how Boozer’s return impacts Rose.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:25pm #447990
IndianaBasketballParticipantWestbrook has improved a lot and it’s close, but I’d still go with Rose. Rose just has a better feel for the game and makes better decisions with the ball in my opinion.
There were good points made above about Westbrook’s defense. He’s active and hustles, but I think his defense is a little overrated. He’s not a lockdown defender at all. Even still though, he’s a better defender than Rose.
It’ll be interesting to see how Boozer’s return impacts Rose.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 2:25pm #447994
IndianaBasketballParticipantWestbrook has improved a lot and it’s close, but I’d still go with Rose. Rose just has a better feel for the game and makes better decisions with the ball in my opinion.
There were good points made above about Westbrook’s defense. He’s active and hustles, but I think his defense is a little overrated. He’s not a lockdown defender at all. Even still though, he’s a better defender than Rose.
It’ll be interesting to see how Boozer’s return impacts Rose.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 6:48pm #448559
Ghost01Participant"
Honestly if you want to make an argument about Rose vs. Westbrook (which is still a debate) make a decent argument that doesn’t completely bias your side. You have ignored every post or belittled every argument made about Rose. You only use 1/2 of the stats and those are the ones that all favor Westbrook. This is 100% bias and one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen on here. Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page. I see no point in responding after this post, because I’m positive you will just belittle it as well. Good day."
Great points. He wasnt really making any sense what so ever, and it was getting quite annoying. Thanks for pointing out the stuff i was trying to say.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 6:48pm #448566
Ghost01Participant"
Honestly if you want to make an argument about Rose vs. Westbrook (which is still a debate) make a decent argument that doesn’t completely bias your side. You have ignored every post or belittled every argument made about Rose. You only use 1/2 of the stats and those are the ones that all favor Westbrook. This is 100% bias and one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen on here. Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page. I see no point in responding after this post, because I’m positive you will just belittle it as well. Good day."
Great points. He wasnt really making any sense what so ever, and it was getting quite annoying. Thanks for pointing out the stuff i was trying to say.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 11/30/2010 - 6:48pm #448570
Ghost01Participant"
Honestly if you want to make an argument about Rose vs. Westbrook (which is still a debate) make a decent argument that doesn’t completely bias your side. You have ignored every post or belittled every argument made about Rose. You only use 1/2 of the stats and those are the ones that all favor Westbrook. This is 100% bias and one of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen on here. Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page. I see no point in responding after this post, because I’m positive you will just belittle it as well. Good day."
Great points. He wasnt really making any sense what so ever, and it was getting quite annoying. Thanks for pointing out the stuff i was trying to say.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:02pm #449153
IndianaBasketballParticipant"Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page."
Don’t be so baffled… That IS Stanford Hoops’ reputation.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:02pm #449164
IndianaBasketballParticipant"Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page."
Don’t be so baffled… That IS Stanford Hoops’ reputation.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:02pm #449172
IndianaBasketballParticipant"Consdering your reputation on this site, I am absoutely baffled as to how you could make such a horrid list of arguments going down this page."
Don’t be so baffled… That IS Stanford Hoops’ reputation.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:16pm #449162
stanford hoopsOf course its horrid to you because you dont agree with you. just like tezo, you, and others have had arguements that people havent agreed with and have been baffled.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:16pm #449173
stanford hoopsOf course its horrid to you because you dont agree with you. just like tezo, you, and others have had arguements that people havent agreed with and have been baffled.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:16pm #449181
stanford hoopsOf course its horrid to you because you dont agree with you. just like tezo, you, and others have had arguements that people havent agreed with and have been baffled.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:38pm #449189
HaleParticipantYou weren’t very consistent in this debate stanford. You brought up stats that made Westbrook seem good then shot down the stats Rose puts up by saying stats don’t mean anything. I agree it was a poor argument.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:38pm #449200
HaleParticipantYou weren’t very consistent in this debate stanford. You brought up stats that made Westbrook seem good then shot down the stats Rose puts up by saying stats don’t mean anything. I agree it was a poor argument.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:38pm #449208
HaleParticipantYou weren’t very consistent in this debate stanford. You brought up stats that made Westbrook seem good then shot down the stats Rose puts up by saying stats don’t mean anything. I agree it was a poor argument.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 1:01pm #449209
stanford hoopsI actually just used the same arguments that others use against Westbrook that didn’t make much sense some of which were
Westbrook cant carry a team like rose ( no one knows because Westbrook has KG on his team)
Westbrook isn’t as good because he cant shoot( someone tell that to rondo)
The only people that seem to disagree though are the ones that think rose is better big surprise yet they shoot down what NBA guys have said about Westbrook being better right now( the same NBA guys they use to help there arguments in other post)
In conclusion Westbrook is better without stats and gave it too rose while playing great defense on him and winning the game the last game they played. Y’all can argue all you want but facts dont lie:). ill let y’all moan amongst you’re selves now because Ive made my point in this post. As Hova says " on to the next one"
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 1:01pm #449221
stanford hoopsI actually just used the same arguments that others use against Westbrook that didn’t make much sense some of which were
Westbrook cant carry a team like rose ( no one knows because Westbrook has KG on his team)
Westbrook isn’t as good because he cant shoot( someone tell that to rondo)
The only people that seem to disagree though are the ones that think rose is better big surprise yet they shoot down what NBA guys have said about Westbrook being better right now( the same NBA guys they use to help there arguments in other post)
In conclusion Westbrook is better without stats and gave it too rose while playing great defense on him and winning the game the last game they played. Y’all can argue all you want but facts dont lie:). ill let y’all moan amongst you’re selves now because Ive made my point in this post. As Hova says " on to the next one"
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 1:01pm #449230
stanford hoopsI actually just used the same arguments that others use against Westbrook that didn’t make much sense some of which were
Westbrook cant carry a team like rose ( no one knows because Westbrook has KG on his team)
Westbrook isn’t as good because he cant shoot( someone tell that to rondo)
The only people that seem to disagree though are the ones that think rose is better big surprise yet they shoot down what NBA guys have said about Westbrook being better right now( the same NBA guys they use to help there arguments in other post)
In conclusion Westbrook is better without stats and gave it too rose while playing great defense on him and winning the game the last game they played. Y’all can argue all you want but facts dont lie:). ill let y’all moan amongst you’re selves now because Ive made my point in this post. As Hova says " on to the next one"
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:03pm #449286
JNixonParticipantWho do you think you are?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:03pm #449265
JNixonParticipantWho do you think you are?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:03pm #449279
JNixonParticipantWho do you think you are?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:08pm #449288
IndianaBasketballParticipantLmao
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:08pm #449296
IndianaBasketballParticipantLmao
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:08pm #449274
IndianaBasketballParticipantLmao
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:12pm #449291
butidonthavemoneyHappy belated 10,000th post JNixon!
Belated Party Time!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:12pm #449298
butidonthavemoneyHappy belated 10,000th post JNixon!
Belated Party Time!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:12pm #449278
butidonthavemoneyHappy belated 10,000th post JNixon!
Belated Party Time!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:58pm #449307
JJeff6Participantput westbrrok on the bulls and put rose on the thunder, and im pretty sure the thunder would be right up there in the same breath as LA, Boston, Orlando, SAS. The bulls would barely be a playoff team this year with westbrook as the franchise player. And dont forget having KD on your team is an unbelievable advantage. Imagine Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose on the same team…..together they would give you close to 60 a night with just them alone. Not even mention on offense, D-rose is way more polished than Russell Westbrook, hes got a legit three point shot now, while westbrook has made like 3 or 4 from deep all year. D-rose the real package, and Westbrrok is the real sidekick.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:58pm #449321
JJeff6Participantput westbrrok on the bulls and put rose on the thunder, and im pretty sure the thunder would be right up there in the same breath as LA, Boston, Orlando, SAS. The bulls would barely be a playoff team this year with westbrook as the franchise player. And dont forget having KD on your team is an unbelievable advantage. Imagine Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose on the same team…..together they would give you close to 60 a night with just them alone. Not even mention on offense, D-rose is way more polished than Russell Westbrook, hes got a legit three point shot now, while westbrook has made like 3 or 4 from deep all year. D-rose the real package, and Westbrrok is the real sidekick.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 2:58pm #449329
JJeff6Participantput westbrrok on the bulls and put rose on the thunder, and im pretty sure the thunder would be right up there in the same breath as LA, Boston, Orlando, SAS. The bulls would barely be a playoff team this year with westbrook as the franchise player. And dont forget having KD on your team is an unbelievable advantage. Imagine Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose on the same team…..together they would give you close to 60 a night with just them alone. Not even mention on offense, D-rose is way more polished than Russell Westbrook, hes got a legit three point shot now, while westbrook has made like 3 or 4 from deep all year. D-rose the real package, and Westbrrok is the real sidekick.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 6:21pm #449495
MkadozaParticipantEnough hypotheticals. I think we can all agree Rose has proven to be a more difficult player to stop from scoring. He’s a better shooter and consistently beats double teams that Westbrook just doesn’t see with Durant on the court, and when when he’s off the court for long periods of time, he’s percentages fall. I think thats not debatable. Its not debatable that Westbrook is a better rebounder, weakside defender, and better at forcing contact. Everythinkg else is a matter of perspective and preference.
I will again take Rose, because I trust him with the ball more than I do Westbrook halfcourt sets, and if hes my best player, thats the most important thing to me to winning close games. I have way more confidence with Rose isolating against a defense than Westbrook, because to me he’s so slick moving laterally and crafty with the ball, and so explosive while being in complete control is special. No one in the league attacks the basket like Rose. He’s just far more selective. He’s just a special talent with excellent poise, winning instincts, and has shown to raise his play in big situations. I’m not say Westbrook hasn’t in his own way. I just feel more confident with Rose in any situation…. except at the free throw line. Percentages aren’t debatable either.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 6:21pm #449512
MkadozaParticipantEnough hypotheticals. I think we can all agree Rose has proven to be a more difficult player to stop from scoring. He’s a better shooter and consistently beats double teams that Westbrook just doesn’t see with Durant on the court, and when when he’s off the court for long periods of time, he’s percentages fall. I think thats not debatable. Its not debatable that Westbrook is a better rebounder, weakside defender, and better at forcing contact. Everythinkg else is a matter of perspective and preference.
I will again take Rose, because I trust him with the ball more than I do Westbrook halfcourt sets, and if hes my best player, thats the most important thing to me to winning close games. I have way more confidence with Rose isolating against a defense than Westbrook, because to me he’s so slick moving laterally and crafty with the ball, and so explosive while being in complete control is special. No one in the league attacks the basket like Rose. He’s just far more selective. He’s just a special talent with excellent poise, winning instincts, and has shown to raise his play in big situations. I’m not say Westbrook hasn’t in his own way. I just feel more confident with Rose in any situation…. except at the free throw line. Percentages aren’t debatable either.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 6:21pm #449517
MkadozaParticipantEnough hypotheticals. I think we can all agree Rose has proven to be a more difficult player to stop from scoring. He’s a better shooter and consistently beats double teams that Westbrook just doesn’t see with Durant on the court, and when when he’s off the court for long periods of time, he’s percentages fall. I think thats not debatable. Its not debatable that Westbrook is a better rebounder, weakside defender, and better at forcing contact. Everythinkg else is a matter of perspective and preference.
I will again take Rose, because I trust him with the ball more than I do Westbrook halfcourt sets, and if hes my best player, thats the most important thing to me to winning close games. I have way more confidence with Rose isolating against a defense than Westbrook, because to me he’s so slick moving laterally and crafty with the ball, and so explosive while being in complete control is special. No one in the league attacks the basket like Rose. He’s just far more selective. He’s just a special talent with excellent poise, winning instincts, and has shown to raise his play in big situations. I’m not say Westbrook hasn’t in his own way. I just feel more confident with Rose in any situation…. except at the free throw line. Percentages aren’t debatable either.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 6:21pm #449498
MkadozaParticipantEnough hypotheticals. I think we can all agree Rose has proven to be a more difficult player to stop from scoring. He’s a better shooter and consistently beats double teams that Westbrook just doesn’t see with Durant on the court, and when when he’s off the court for long periods of time, he’s percentages fall. I think thats not debatable. Its not debatable that Westbrook is a better rebounder, weakside defender, and better at forcing contact. Everythinkg else is a matter of perspective and preference.
I will again take Rose, because I trust him with the ball more than I do Westbrook halfcourt sets, and if hes my best player, thats the most important thing to me to winning close games. I have way more confidence with Rose isolating against a defense than Westbrook, because to me he’s so slick moving laterally and crafty with the ball, and so explosive while being in complete control is special. No one in the league attacks the basket like Rose. He’s just far more selective. He’s just a special talent with excellent poise, winning instincts, and has shown to raise his play in big situations. I’m not say Westbrook hasn’t in his own way. I just feel more confident with Rose in any situation…. except at the free throw line. Percentages aren’t debatable either.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 6:21pm #449515
MkadozaParticipantEnough hypotheticals. I think we can all agree Rose has proven to be a more difficult player to stop from scoring. He’s a better shooter and consistently beats double teams that Westbrook just doesn’t see with Durant on the court, and when when he’s off the court for long periods of time, he’s percentages fall. I think thats not debatable. Its not debatable that Westbrook is a better rebounder, weakside defender, and better at forcing contact. Everythinkg else is a matter of perspective and preference.
I will again take Rose, because I trust him with the ball more than I do Westbrook halfcourt sets, and if hes my best player, thats the most important thing to me to winning close games. I have way more confidence with Rose isolating against a defense than Westbrook, because to me he’s so slick moving laterally and crafty with the ball, and so explosive while being in complete control is special. No one in the league attacks the basket like Rose. He’s just far more selective. He’s just a special talent with excellent poise, winning instincts, and has shown to raise his play in big situations. I’m not say Westbrook hasn’t in his own way. I just feel more confident with Rose in any situation…. except at the free throw line. Percentages aren’t debatable either.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/01/2010 - 6:21pm #449519
MkadozaParticipantEnough hypotheticals. I think we can all agree Rose has proven to be a more difficult player to stop from scoring. He’s a better shooter and consistently beats double teams that Westbrook just doesn’t see with Durant on the court, and when when he’s off the court for long periods of time, he’s percentages fall. I think thats not debatable. Its not debatable that Westbrook is a better rebounder, weakside defender, and better at forcing contact. Everythinkg else is a matter of perspective and preference.
I will again take Rose, because I trust him with the ball more than I do Westbrook halfcourt sets, and if hes my best player, thats the most important thing to me to winning close games. I have way more confidence with Rose isolating against a defense than Westbrook, because to me he’s so slick moving laterally and crafty with the ball, and so explosive while being in complete control is special. No one in the league attacks the basket like Rose. He’s just far more selective. He’s just a special talent with excellent poise, winning instincts, and has shown to raise his play in big situations. I’m not say Westbrook hasn’t in his own way. I just feel more confident with Rose in any situation…. except at the free throw line. Percentages aren’t debatable either.
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