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- Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 8:23am #23403
McWinningParticipantWe hear all about Rose, and Paul, and Rondo, and Westbrook etc.
But it seems like hes fallen completely off the map.
So far hes averaging 19, and 8, while shooting 54% from the field.
Where does he rank with the elit Pgs?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:22am #442214

mikeyvthedonParticipantHe has always been so difficult to rank, he is one of the more unique PG’s in NBA history. Many do not consider Tony a prototypical PG, he does not average many assists and he also does not get huge steal numbers, which is how many people view defensive prowess. However, he really knows how to run a team, and I have never considered him a poor defender. He is not known for his explosive athletic ability, and would not over power other PG’s, yet his quickness and speed are better than pretty much any PG in the NBA. Mix that in with the fact that he is constantly near the top of the entire league in points in the paint, and you have to just be amazed by what he can do. I ranked him as being right behind CP3 and Deron Williams after he averaged 22 ppg in 2008-09, but his numbers went down quite a bit last year, when he was hurt and there were trade talks.
Despite all of the drama going on in his life, Tony has come back with a vengeance this year. Tim Duncan will always get the most credit for the Spurs championships, and deservedly so, but Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are right behind him. It seems that Tony has had a history of constantly either winning his match-up or at least making it a wash. He had abused Steve Nash for years, up until last season when he was obviously not 100%. His numbers are honestly the one thing holding him back because they do not look like those of any typical PG, but his accomplishments mean you have to look at him as one of the premier PG’s in the league. He is still only 28 years old, and the Spurs are showing an unbelievable chemistry, with Tony leading the way. In my rankings I posted, I had Tony at 8, but I believe he has definitely been a better player than two I had ranked ahead of him due to their play last year, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash. The top 5 does seem air locked right now with Westbrook, Rondo, Rose, Paul and Williams all playing exceptional basketball, but I would really think Tony could give all of those guys a great match-up. People always see Tony Parker as a second, third or in his early days even fourth banana, but he continually played at a high level and is a flat out winner. He might go down in history as one of the best and most accomplished PG’s in the modern era, and all of those guys in the top 5 will need to do work to surpass his accomplishments.
In many ways, Parker was Rondo before Rondo. There games are not the same, but they are both incredibly unique players, and while Rondo puts up more traditional PG statistics, he had the same question marks on their game. They were seen as young PG’s who might be more of a hinderance than a help on contending teams. Yet, both of them got the job done, even if those questions were never fully answered. Parker is still a guy who is seen as a shaky shooter, but he always seems to shoot the highest % of any other PG around. All I know is that there have been more people arguing for Rondo being number 1 amongst PG’s after winning one title and getting to another than there have ever been for Parker being a huge contributor on 3 championship teams, including winning a Finals MVP.
Parker sticks to his strengths, he knows he is not a 3 point threat and has taken fewer and fewer over his career, instead choosing to attack the basket and take higher percentage shots, which has seemed to work for him for as long as I can remember. He really does not need the ball or control as much as many other PG’s, and his running of the Spurs offense fits into their system incredibly effectively. If you look at the Lakers and the Spurs, notice that neither team has a ball dominating PG that the offense relies on to maintain the flow. They instead have PG’s that know their role and know who to get the rock too to create shots, and move very effectively without the ball to get shots. It is just some food for thought for everyone who thinks that you need A prototypical PG to be competitive. To me, Tony Parker can compete with any PG in the league, and his numbers are the one thing that hold him back when the discussion is brought up. I might even say he is still just behind Williams and Paul, but again, follow the match-ups closely, because Tony Parker is one of the more slept on players in the league.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:22am #442215

mikeyvthedonParticipantHe has always been so difficult to rank, he is one of the more unique PG’s in NBA history. Many do not consider Tony a prototypical PG, he does not average many assists and he also does not get huge steal numbers, which is how many people view defensive prowess. However, he really knows how to run a team, and I have never considered him a poor defender. He is not known for his explosive athletic ability, and would not over power other PG’s, yet his quickness and speed are better than pretty much any PG in the NBA. Mix that in with the fact that he is constantly near the top of the entire league in points in the paint, and you have to just be amazed by what he can do. I ranked him as being right behind CP3 and Deron Williams after he averaged 22 ppg in 2008-09, but his numbers went down quite a bit last year, when he was hurt and there were trade talks.
Despite all of the drama going on in his life, Tony has come back with a vengeance this year. Tim Duncan will always get the most credit for the Spurs championships, and deservedly so, but Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are right behind him. It seems that Tony has had a history of constantly either winning his match-up or at least making it a wash. He had abused Steve Nash for years, up until last season when he was obviously not 100%. His numbers are honestly the one thing holding him back because they do not look like those of any typical PG, but his accomplishments mean you have to look at him as one of the premier PG’s in the league. He is still only 28 years old, and the Spurs are showing an unbelievable chemistry, with Tony leading the way. In my rankings I posted, I had Tony at 8, but I believe he has definitely been a better player than two I had ranked ahead of him due to their play last year, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash. The top 5 does seem air locked right now with Westbrook, Rondo, Rose, Paul and Williams all playing exceptional basketball, but I would really think Tony could give all of those guys a great match-up. People always see Tony Parker as a second, third or in his early days even fourth banana, but he continually played at a high level and is a flat out winner. He might go down in history as one of the best and most accomplished PG’s in the modern era, and all of those guys in the top 5 will need to do work to surpass his accomplishments.
In many ways, Parker was Rondo before Rondo. There games are not the same, but they are both incredibly unique players, and while Rondo puts up more traditional PG statistics, he had the same question marks on their game. They were seen as young PG’s who might be more of a hinderance than a help on contending teams. Yet, both of them got the job done, even if those questions were never fully answered. Parker is still a guy who is seen as a shaky shooter, but he always seems to shoot the highest % of any other PG around. All I know is that there have been more people arguing for Rondo being number 1 amongst PG’s after winning one title and getting to another than there have ever been for Parker being a huge contributor on 3 championship teams, including winning a Finals MVP.
Parker sticks to his strengths, he knows he is not a 3 point threat and has taken fewer and fewer over his career, instead choosing to attack the basket and take higher percentage shots, which has seemed to work for him for as long as I can remember. He really does not need the ball or control as much as many other PG’s, and his running of the Spurs offense fits into their system incredibly effectively. If you look at the Lakers and the Spurs, notice that neither team has a ball dominating PG that the offense relies on to maintain the flow. They instead have PG’s that know their role and know who to get the rock too to create shots, and move very effectively without the ball to get shots. It is just some food for thought for everyone who thinks that you need A prototypical PG to be competitive. To me, Tony Parker can compete with any PG in the league, and his numbers are the one thing that hold him back when the discussion is brought up. I might even say he is still just behind Williams and Paul, but again, follow the match-ups closely, because Tony Parker is one of the more slept on players in the league.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:22am #442228

mikeyvthedonParticipantHe has always been so difficult to rank, he is one of the more unique PG’s in NBA history. Many do not consider Tony a prototypical PG, he does not average many assists and he also does not get huge steal numbers, which is how many people view defensive prowess. However, he really knows how to run a team, and I have never considered him a poor defender. He is not known for his explosive athletic ability, and would not over power other PG’s, yet his quickness and speed are better than pretty much any PG in the NBA. Mix that in with the fact that he is constantly near the top of the entire league in points in the paint, and you have to just be amazed by what he can do. I ranked him as being right behind CP3 and Deron Williams after he averaged 22 ppg in 2008-09, but his numbers went down quite a bit last year, when he was hurt and there were trade talks.
Despite all of the drama going on in his life, Tony has come back with a vengeance this year. Tim Duncan will always get the most credit for the Spurs championships, and deservedly so, but Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are right behind him. It seems that Tony has had a history of constantly either winning his match-up or at least making it a wash. He had abused Steve Nash for years, up until last season when he was obviously not 100%. His numbers are honestly the one thing holding him back because they do not look like those of any typical PG, but his accomplishments mean you have to look at him as one of the premier PG’s in the league. He is still only 28 years old, and the Spurs are showing an unbelievable chemistry, with Tony leading the way. In my rankings I posted, I had Tony at 8, but I believe he has definitely been a better player than two I had ranked ahead of him due to their play last year, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash. The top 5 does seem air locked right now with Westbrook, Rondo, Rose, Paul and Williams all playing exceptional basketball, but I would really think Tony could give all of those guys a great match-up. People always see Tony Parker as a second, third or in his early days even fourth banana, but he continually played at a high level and is a flat out winner. He might go down in history as one of the best and most accomplished PG’s in the modern era, and all of those guys in the top 5 will need to do work to surpass his accomplishments.
In many ways, Parker was Rondo before Rondo. There games are not the same, but they are both incredibly unique players, and while Rondo puts up more traditional PG statistics, he had the same question marks on their game. They were seen as young PG’s who might be more of a hinderance than a help on contending teams. Yet, both of them got the job done, even if those questions were never fully answered. Parker is still a guy who is seen as a shaky shooter, but he always seems to shoot the highest % of any other PG around. All I know is that there have been more people arguing for Rondo being number 1 amongst PG’s after winning one title and getting to another than there have ever been for Parker being a huge contributor on 3 championship teams, including winning a Finals MVP.
Parker sticks to his strengths, he knows he is not a 3 point threat and has taken fewer and fewer over his career, instead choosing to attack the basket and take higher percentage shots, which has seemed to work for him for as long as I can remember. He really does not need the ball or control as much as many other PG’s, and his running of the Spurs offense fits into their system incredibly effectively. If you look at the Lakers and the Spurs, notice that neither team has a ball dominating PG that the offense relies on to maintain the flow. They instead have PG’s that know their role and know who to get the rock too to create shots, and move very effectively without the ball to get shots. It is just some food for thought for everyone who thinks that you need A prototypical PG to be competitive. To me, Tony Parker can compete with any PG in the league, and his numbers are the one thing that hold him back when the discussion is brought up. I might even say he is still just behind Williams and Paul, but again, follow the match-ups closely, because Tony Parker is one of the more slept on players in the league.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 9:22am #442233

mikeyvthedonParticipantHe has always been so difficult to rank, he is one of the more unique PG’s in NBA history. Many do not consider Tony a prototypical PG, he does not average many assists and he also does not get huge steal numbers, which is how many people view defensive prowess. However, he really knows how to run a team, and I have never considered him a poor defender. He is not known for his explosive athletic ability, and would not over power other PG’s, yet his quickness and speed are better than pretty much any PG in the NBA. Mix that in with the fact that he is constantly near the top of the entire league in points in the paint, and you have to just be amazed by what he can do. I ranked him as being right behind CP3 and Deron Williams after he averaged 22 ppg in 2008-09, but his numbers went down quite a bit last year, when he was hurt and there were trade talks.
Despite all of the drama going on in his life, Tony has come back with a vengeance this year. Tim Duncan will always get the most credit for the Spurs championships, and deservedly so, but Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are right behind him. It seems that Tony has had a history of constantly either winning his match-up or at least making it a wash. He had abused Steve Nash for years, up until last season when he was obviously not 100%. His numbers are honestly the one thing holding him back because they do not look like those of any typical PG, but his accomplishments mean you have to look at him as one of the premier PG’s in the league. He is still only 28 years old, and the Spurs are showing an unbelievable chemistry, with Tony leading the way. In my rankings I posted, I had Tony at 8, but I believe he has definitely been a better player than two I had ranked ahead of him due to their play last year, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash. The top 5 does seem air locked right now with Westbrook, Rondo, Rose, Paul and Williams all playing exceptional basketball, but I would really think Tony could give all of those guys a great match-up. People always see Tony Parker as a second, third or in his early days even fourth banana, but he continually played at a high level and is a flat out winner. He might go down in history as one of the best and most accomplished PG’s in the modern era, and all of those guys in the top 5 will need to do work to surpass his accomplishments.
In many ways, Parker was Rondo before Rondo. There games are not the same, but they are both incredibly unique players, and while Rondo puts up more traditional PG statistics, he had the same question marks on their game. They were seen as young PG’s who might be more of a hinderance than a help on contending teams. Yet, both of them got the job done, even if those questions were never fully answered. Parker is still a guy who is seen as a shaky shooter, but he always seems to shoot the highest % of any other PG around. All I know is that there have been more people arguing for Rondo being number 1 amongst PG’s after winning one title and getting to another than there have ever been for Parker being a huge contributor on 3 championship teams, including winning a Finals MVP.
Parker sticks to his strengths, he knows he is not a 3 point threat and has taken fewer and fewer over his career, instead choosing to attack the basket and take higher percentage shots, which has seemed to work for him for as long as I can remember. He really does not need the ball or control as much as many other PG’s, and his running of the Spurs offense fits into their system incredibly effectively. If you look at the Lakers and the Spurs, notice that neither team has a ball dominating PG that the offense relies on to maintain the flow. They instead have PG’s that know their role and know who to get the rock too to create shots, and move very effectively without the ball to get shots. It is just some food for thought for everyone who thinks that you need A prototypical PG to be competitive. To me, Tony Parker can compete with any PG in the league, and his numbers are the one thing that hold him back when the discussion is brought up. I might even say he is still just behind Williams and Paul, but again, follow the match-ups closely, because Tony Parker is one of the more slept on players in the league.
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0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:35am #442347

IndianaBasketballParticipantA few of the youngsters have passed him up, but when *healthy*, he’s in the top ten.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:35am #442361

IndianaBasketballParticipantA few of the youngsters have passed him up, but when *healthy*, he’s in the top ten.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:35am #442363

IndianaBasketballParticipantA few of the youngsters have passed him up, but when *healthy*, he’s in the top ten.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:43am #442350

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe’s a top 10 PG but Tony Parker was never Elite.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:43am #442364

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe’s a top 10 PG but Tony Parker was never Elite.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:43am #442366

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe’s a top 10 PG but Tony Parker was never Elite.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:58am #442379

torontoraptors10ParticipantGOOD JOB MIKEYVTHEDON! PARAGRAPHS AT LAST!!
I’ve always thought Tony Parker look more than 28 years of age lol. Nonetheless he is a top 10 PG and nothing can be said more than that.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:58am #442381

torontoraptors10ParticipantGOOD JOB MIKEYVTHEDON! PARAGRAPHS AT LAST!!
I’ve always thought Tony Parker look more than 28 years of age lol. Nonetheless he is a top 10 PG and nothing can be said more than that.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 11:58am #442365

torontoraptors10ParticipantGOOD JOB MIKEYVTHEDON! PARAGRAPHS AT LAST!!
I’ve always thought Tony Parker look more than 28 years of age lol. Nonetheless he is a top 10 PG and nothing can be said more than that.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:06pm #442374

IndianaBasketballParticipantAt one point, he used to just amaze me with how he was able to constantly get into the paint and finish. He was among the league leaders in points in the paint I think.
He’s slowed down pretty fast considering he’s only 28. IF nobody told me, I’d think he was about 32.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:06pm #442388

IndianaBasketballParticipantAt one point, he used to just amaze me with how he was able to constantly get into the paint and finish. He was among the league leaders in points in the paint I think.
He’s slowed down pretty fast considering he’s only 28. IF nobody told me, I’d think he was about 32.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:06pm #442390

IndianaBasketballParticipantAt one point, he used to just amaze me with how he was able to constantly get into the paint and finish. He was among the league leaders in points in the paint I think.
He’s slowed down pretty fast considering he’s only 28. IF nobody told me, I’d think he was about 32.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:46pm #442431

sheltwon3ParticipantI wonder what Spurs do with George Hill now because with Parker locked up, it is not wise to try to hold on to 2 starting caliber point guards when you can get something nice picks or solid vets at positions you need. I think they may look to move him next season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:46pm #442443

sheltwon3ParticipantI wonder what Spurs do with George Hill now because with Parker locked up, it is not wise to try to hold on to 2 starting caliber point guards when you can get something nice picks or solid vets at positions you need. I think they may look to move him next season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:46pm #442448

sheltwon3ParticipantI wonder what Spurs do with George Hill now because with Parker locked up, it is not wise to try to hold on to 2 starting caliber point guards when you can get something nice picks or solid vets at positions you need. I think they may look to move him next season.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:48pm #442441

JNixonParticipantWhen Tony Parker is healthy, the only PG’s I’d take over him are Chris Paul, D-Will, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo and Steve Nash.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:48pm #442452

JNixonParticipantWhen Tony Parker is healthy, the only PG’s I’d take over him are Chris Paul, D-Will, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo and Steve Nash.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 12:48pm #442457

JNixonParticipantWhen Tony Parker is healthy, the only PG’s I’d take over him are Chris Paul, D-Will, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo and Steve Nash.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:47pm #442592

IndianaBasketballParticipantI doubt the Spurs move Hill, especially when you consider Parker’s injury history.Hill would be a solid starter, but he’s probably best as a backup combo guard off of the bench. His playmaking is still a work in progress.0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:47pm #442597

IndianaBasketballParticipantI doubt the Spurs move Hill, especially when you consider Parker’s injury history.Hill would be a solid starter, but he’s probably best as a backup combo guard off of the bench. His playmaking is still a work in progress.0 - Posted on: Mon, 11/22/2010 - 1:47pm #442601

IndianaBasketballParticipantI doubt the Spurs move Hill, especially when you consider Parker’s injury history.Hill would be a solid starter, but he’s probably best as a backup combo guard off of the bench. His playmaking is still a work in progress.0 - AuthorPosts
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