Where’s Mr Knick…The Sixers beat the Knicks

Scarecrow………..

Scarecrow………..

Congrats, I watched the whole game. I admit: You won. Elton Brand played really well, Nocioni did his thing and Lou Williams took it to us as well.

But, NY wasn’t shooting well (Gallo: 4-11, Felton:2-11, Chandler: 4-14 and Douglas: 5-13) so it will be interesting when they matchup again. PLUS, Amare Stoudemire!!!! 21-15 with only 3 turnovers! He played well.

Congrats, I watched the whole game. I admit: You won. Elton Brand played really well, Nocioni did his thing and Lou Williams took it to us as well.

But, NY wasn’t shooting well (Gallo: 4-11, Felton:2-11, Chandler: 4-14 and Douglas: 5-13) so it will be interesting when they matchup again. PLUS, Amare Stoudemire!!!! 21-15 with only 3 turnovers! He played well.

Its all good philly got us this go around but we coming back hard next time plus dont expect gallo to have that bad of shooting game nex time

Its all good philly got us this go around but we coming back hard next time plus dont expect gallo to have that bad of shooting game nex time

The Knicks should be starting Turiaf. Mozzy needs to come off the bench ( even though that 9 points was nice) and allow Randolph to take the Turry role.

People don’t realize this: Knicks lead the NBA in blocks and steals per game.

I also need to say, NY needs a slasher. They need someone who can force free throws. They cannot kill runs ( which cost us the Portland and Philadelphia game) we should be 6-1 but I’m not mad at 3-3

The Knicks should be starting Turiaf. Mozzy needs to come off the bench ( even though that 9 points was nice) and allow Randolph to take the Turry role.

People don’t realize this: Knicks lead the NBA in blocks and steals per game.

I also need to say, NY needs a slasher. They need someone who can force free throws. They cannot kill runs ( which cost us the Portland and Philadelphia game) we should be 6-1 but I’m not mad at 3-3

Gallo wasn’t shut down at all. He missed alot of shots.

If we have a better record then you, you don’t have better talent. You cannot spin that any other way partna.

Gallo wasn’t shut down at all. He missed alot of shots.

If we have a better record then you, you don’t have better talent. You cannot spin that any other way partna.

I’d do that trade in a heartbeat if you can give us like a future (2013, 2014) 1st rounder as well.

I’d do that trade in a heartbeat if you can give us like a future (2013, 2014) 1st rounder as well.

Well, I think Houston is overrated so your not telling someone who thinks differently about that

I think the Knicks have all thier needs locked in besides slasher/rebounder.

Well, I think Houston is overrated so your not telling someone who thinks differently about that

I think the Knicks have all thier needs locked in besides slasher/rebounder.

Andre Iguadala is not better then Amar’e Stoudemire. I’d do it because Iggy fills in the slasher role and is a good rebounder for his position. The Knicks don’t need Lou Williams, we have one under the rookie contract named: Toney Douglas.

Cool, tell me some NY ideas when you back man.

Andre Iguadala is not better then Amar’e Stoudemire. I’d do it because Iggy fills in the slasher role and is a good rebounder for his position. The Knicks don’t need Lou Williams, we have one under the rookie contract named: Toney Douglas.

Cool, tell me some NY ideas when you back man.

r not playing out of thier minds

when amare gets right showing signs 2day  and gallo continues to shoot well like past few games AR gets into the flow of the game, he showed me hood sign on defense today doing some litle things when he was in and more importantly when the pick n role gets going then we will playing out of our minds

r not playing out of thier minds

when amare gets right showing signs 2day  and gallo continues to shoot well like past few games AR gets into the flow of the game, he showed me hood sign on defense today doing some litle things when he was in and more importantly when the pick n role gets going then we will playing out of our minds

As someone who hates NYC and is a diehard Philly fan, this thread is pathetic lol.  Both of our teams fucking suck!

As someone who hates NYC and is a diehard Philly fan, this thread is pathetic lol.  Both of our teams fucking suck!

The Knicks don’t suck….were .500. That’s respectable.

The Knicks don’t suck….were .500. That’s respectable.

U guys aren’t good.  Good is being able to challenge other good teams and neither the Knicks nor the Sixers are going to be relevant at the end of the year.  

U guys aren’t good.  Good is being able to challenge other good teams and neither the Knicks nor the Sixers are going to be relevant at the end of the year.  

 Yeah you can respect your franchise all the way to a borderline playoff seed at which point you will either get swept by the Heat, Celtics, or Magic.  The highlight of your season would be going 5 games with the Heat.  And to top it off you can reward yourself with a mid first round pick and watch more superstars shun the Knicks because any smart basketball player that wants to win (Chris Paul) will not sign with a Mike D’Antoni coached team because i’ll wait while you try to think of the last team that won anything without playing defense.

I am just enjoying the season.  I’m not getting caught up in the whose better propaganda cause any Laker Fan or Heat fan can just come on and sh!t on both our pathetic organizations.

With that said the Sixers are undefeated with Evan Turner in the starting lineup.  Do we really need any more proof that Iggy needs to go and Scarecrow the only thing I disagree with you on is Iggy being our best player.  Iggy is out for delf this year, don’t wanna be here, and takes all Turners minutes and shots.  Turner has already proven to be the better rebounder and shooter.  He needs to be getting 38 minutes a night and learning how to run our team instead of Iggy doing his best filling up a stat sheet while virtually making no impact on whether we win or lose.

And Knicksboy did you seriously say that the 9 points Mozzy scored was nice?  Really tho 9 friccin point?  That is never nice from somebody who is suppose to be your starting center.  In sadder news that was a career high wasn’t it?

 Yeah you can respect your franchise all the way to a borderline playoff seed at which point you will either get swept by the Heat, Celtics, or Magic.  The highlight of your season would be going 5 games with the Heat.  And to top it off you can reward yourself with a mid first round pick and watch more superstars shun the Knicks because any smart basketball player that wants to win (Chris Paul) will not sign with a Mike D’Antoni coached team because i’ll wait while you try to think of the last team that won anything without playing defense.

I am just enjoying the season.  I’m not getting caught up in the whose better propaganda cause any Laker Fan or Heat fan can just come on and sh!t on both our pathetic organizations.

With that said the Sixers are undefeated with Evan Turner in the starting lineup.  Do we really need any more proof that Iggy needs to go and Scarecrow the only thing I disagree with you on is Iggy being our best player.  Iggy is out for delf this year, don’t wanna be here, and takes all Turners minutes and shots.  Turner has already proven to be the better rebounder and shooter.  He needs to be getting 38 minutes a night and learning how to run our team instead of Iggy doing his best filling up a stat sheet while virtually making no impact on whether we win or lose.

And Knicksboy did you seriously say that the 9 points Mozzy scored was nice?  Really tho 9 friccin point?  That is never nice from somebody who is suppose to be your starting center.  In sadder news that was a career high wasn’t it?

Wow it is funny how people are so hype early on about their team give a team at least 20 games before noise talking.  I think the Knicks are good but not great and getting to the playoff regardless if they lose is a step in the right direction.  Also can a newly formed team like the Knicks at least get some time to gel before people say they suck.  Philly may have finally figured out how to play with Brand and that is without Iggy because those players don’t compliment it other.Iggy should be traded for a defensive big man.  I don’t know why they gave up Dalembert.  He must have really pissed them off.  Philly has a young team and they could possibly have more talent than New York but they don’t have the right combination of players.  You can have talent and no chemistry(see Clippers) an continue to lose.  Knicks has some really great pieces and need time to gel.  They Just need another star quality player who can dominate on the perimeter and get to the free throw line like Melo and they will be good.  Their offense would be perfect for Melo.  Also as Felton/Douglas get familiar with Stoudamire on the pick and roll, Knicks will increase their effeciency.

Wow it is funny how people are so hype early on about their team give a team at least 20 games before noise talking.  I think the Knicks are good but not great and getting to the playoff regardless if they lose is a step in the right direction.  Also can a newly formed team like the Knicks at least get some time to gel before people say they suck.  Philly may have finally figured out how to play with Brand and that is without Iggy because those players don’t compliment it other.Iggy should be traded for a defensive big man.  I don’t know why they gave up Dalembert.  He must have really pissed them off.  Philly has a young team and they could possibly have more talent than New York but they don’t have the right combination of players.  You can have talent and no chemistry(see Clippers) an continue to lose.  Knicks has some really great pieces and need time to gel.  They Just need another star quality player who can dominate on the perimeter and get to the free throw line like Melo and they will be good.  Their offense would be perfect for Melo.  Also as Felton/Douglas get familiar with Stoudamire on the pick and roll, Knicks will increase their effeciency.

Knicks will be a better team than the Sixers.  They have a couple young guys starting but most likely Turiaf and Chandler will get big mins over Mozgov and Fields the latter who is playing well.  Knicks missed a lot of easy shots and free throws too.  Turiaf 2 before the end of the half and Amare 2 at the end of the game.  Lou Williams was shrewd in his play drawing fouls many on head fakes and got to the line 14 times.  This was the 1st time the Knicks didn’t play well this season.  Shooting 40% with 16 turnovers and were still in the game.  Felton, Chandler, and Gallo combined to shoot 8 of 36 doubtful that happens much.  Don’t get too excited the 76ers have lost to the Cavs, Wizards and Nets twice already this year all weak teams.

Knicks will be a better team than the Sixers.  They have a couple young guys starting but most likely Turiaf and Chandler will get big mins over Mozgov and Fields the latter who is playing well.  Knicks missed a lot of easy shots and free throws too.  Turiaf 2 before the end of the half and Amare 2 at the end of the game.  Lou Williams was shrewd in his play drawing fouls many on head fakes and got to the line 14 times.  This was the 1st time the Knicks didn’t play well this season.  Shooting 40% with 16 turnovers and were still in the game.  Felton, Chandler, and Gallo combined to shoot 8 of 36 doubtful that happens much.  Don’t get too excited the 76ers have lost to the Cavs, Wizards and Nets twice already this year all weak teams.

That trade and signing Mello in the summer won’t work cap wise and doubtful the Knicks would take on Iggy’s contract anyway.

That trade and signing Mello in the summer won’t work cap wise and doubtful the Knicks would take on Iggy’s contract anyway.

 shelton theres like 25 teams in the league that can say they need a star quality player who can dominate on the perimeter.  Like how many teams really coundn’t use that?  And yeah pairing Melo with Amare would be good for them wouldn’t it robbing 2 teams of their superstars.  The question is what about the talent they already have that was suppose to be so great.  Gallo was the 6th pick in the draft when is he going to start living up to expectations?  When his shot comes around?  He was just 4-4 from 3 the game prior to playing the Sixers.  And don’t drink the cool-aid too fast on Wilson Chandler he is a solid player with inflated stats playing for D’Antoni.  Look at Lee. He is still rebounding well as everybody predicted but he is also shooting 39% from the floor on his way to 12 points a game thus far.  And he is getting even better looks playing with Ellis and Curry.

The Sixers have the most obvious mismatched roster in the league and it seems like they are not even trying to do something about it.  I didn’t like the Sammy D trade either but i saw it coming he wanted to be traded last year and we got Spencer Hawes back a 7’1 center who can pass and shoot and is still only 22 years old.  Doug Collins wanted a young big man to develop and thats the reason we went out and got Hawes and Brackins.  However Hawes has been virtually non existant all year.  Hawes isn’t really playing any kind of way at all it’s kind of strange he gets virtually no production despite not playing bad.

 shelton theres like 25 teams in the league that can say they need a star quality player who can dominate on the perimeter.  Like how many teams really coundn’t use that?  And yeah pairing Melo with Amare would be good for them wouldn’t it robbing 2 teams of their superstars.  The question is what about the talent they already have that was suppose to be so great.  Gallo was the 6th pick in the draft when is he going to start living up to expectations?  When his shot comes around?  He was just 4-4 from 3 the game prior to playing the Sixers.  And don’t drink the cool-aid too fast on Wilson Chandler he is a solid player with inflated stats playing for D’Antoni.  Look at Lee. He is still rebounding well as everybody predicted but he is also shooting 39% from the floor on his way to 12 points a game thus far.  And he is getting even better looks playing with Ellis and Curry.

The Sixers have the most obvious mismatched roster in the league and it seems like they are not even trying to do something about it.  I didn’t like the Sammy D trade either but i saw it coming he wanted to be traded last year and we got Spencer Hawes back a 7’1 center who can pass and shoot and is still only 22 years old.  Doug Collins wanted a young big man to develop and thats the reason we went out and got Hawes and Brackins.  However Hawes has been virtually non existant all year.  Hawes isn’t really playing any kind of way at all it’s kind of strange he gets virtually no production despite not playing bad.

 Yeah and the Knicks just lost to us after we lost to all them bad teams so what does that really have to do with anything. 

And Lou Williams had his worse shooting game of the year.  He was 3-14 and still found a way to beat you’s.  Cuz the Knicks D stinks.  Them head fakes and jab steps are things he does all the time if D’Antoni would of actually told his players this or went over game film of the Sixers leading scorer they would of knew this coming into the game and not of been fooled. 

At this point I am willing to trade Iggy for anything.  He is only hindering the development of Turner, Holiday, and Young and is not helping us win when healthy.  On the contrary against the Wizards we came back and took a 3 point lead against them while Iggy sat our the 4th only to put him back in with 4 seconds left to have Cartier Martin of all people hit a game tying 3 in his face.  And it was no surprise that we lose while he played in the 4th.

Iggy got extremely overrated while playing alongside Andre Miller and hasn’t done anything close to winning or being great since Miller left town.  

Doug Collins and Rod Thorn has to realize the Sixers are better without Iggy and may be playing him now just to increase his trade value.  But knowing Iggy he will just start jacking up worse rainbow shots and let his shooting percentage dip into the high 30’s.

Turner > Iggy

 Yeah and the Knicks just lost to us after we lost to all them bad teams so what does that really have to do with anything. 

And Lou Williams had his worse shooting game of the year.  He was 3-14 and still found a way to beat you’s.  Cuz the Knicks D stinks.  Them head fakes and jab steps are things he does all the time if D’Antoni would of actually told his players this or went over game film of the Sixers leading scorer they would of knew this coming into the game and not of been fooled. 

At this point I am willing to trade Iggy for anything.  He is only hindering the development of Turner, Holiday, and Young and is not helping us win when healthy.  On the contrary against the Wizards we came back and took a 3 point lead against them while Iggy sat our the 4th only to put him back in with 4 seconds left to have Cartier Martin of all people hit a game tying 3 in his face.  And it was no surprise that we lose while he played in the 4th.

Iggy got extremely overrated while playing alongside Andre Miller and hasn’t done anything close to winning or being great since Miller left town.  

Doug Collins and Rod Thorn has to realize the Sixers are better without Iggy and may be playing him now just to increase his trade value.  But knowing Iggy he will just start jacking up worse rainbow shots and let his shooting percentage dip into the high 30’s.

Turner > Iggy

19134, I never spoke as if a lot of teams would not need a guy like Melo but most teams that are winning have a dominate perimter players.  Kobe, Lebron/Wade, Durant,Roy, etc.  Knicks do not have that as of yet.  Chandler can actually do a lot of things well but he is not all star.  Gallo has the potential but it depends on where his head is at.  Felton is solid and Douglas could be similiar to Billups but better if he learns to run a team like a point guard.  I have watched the Knicks play and they play hard and actually compete on defense but offensively there are times where I wonder what they are doing.  They do show great ball movement at times and when they have at least 2 of their greats shooters make outside shots, they are very tough to beat.  As they improve chemistry wise, Amare will score more in the post and the shooters will get more open looks.  i agree that right now Turner is a better fit and possibly a better player than Iggy in the long run.  I never thought Iggy deserved max money.  I also did not think he could carry a team.  he is better as a sidekick like Bosh.

19134, I never spoke as if a lot of teams would not need a guy like Melo but most teams that are winning have a dominate perimter players.  Kobe, Lebron/Wade, Durant,Roy, etc.  Knicks do not have that as of yet.  Chandler can actually do a lot of things well but he is not all star.  Gallo has the potential but it depends on where his head is at.  Felton is solid and Douglas could be similiar to Billups but better if he learns to run a team like a point guard.  I have watched the Knicks play and they play hard and actually compete on defense but offensively there are times where I wonder what they are doing.  They do show great ball movement at times and when they have at least 2 of their greats shooters make outside shots, they are very tough to beat.  As they improve chemistry wise, Amare will score more in the post and the shooters will get more open looks.  i agree that right now Turner is a better fit and possibly a better player than Iggy in the long run.  I never thought Iggy deserved max money.  I also did not think he could carry a team.  he is better as a sidekick like Bosh.

 I stopped reading when you said Dougless can be like Billups, then went on to say he can be better then Billups.  I will now not read anything you say until I get your drug test results back…………………..pending…………………..pending………………………………………..pending………………

 I stopped reading when you said Dougless can be like Billups, then went on to say he can be better then Billups.  I will now not read anything you say until I get your drug test results back…………………..pending…………………..pending………………………………………..pending………………

For one, Mozgov a rookie had 9 points in his 6th NBA game. That’s correct. He looked alright. Mozgov is not a great rebounder but provides 6 fouls in a game and a body down low. Also, I’m thinking now, the Knicks could win like 42 games this season. Stoudemire and Felton can help us win alot of 50/50 games this season. Plus, don’t forget NY doesn’t have Azubukie yet. When he’s avilable: NY will use him and he could rebound and score better then Bill Walker.

Also, Andre Iguadala is better then Evan Turner. Philadelphia would be giving up the season making that move. The best thing the Sixers can do is do a deal moving both Brand and Iguadala in one swoop.

For one, Mozgov a rookie had 9 points in his 6th NBA game. That’s correct. He looked alright. Mozgov is not a great rebounder but provides 6 fouls in a game and a body down low. Also, I’m thinking now, the Knicks could win like 42 games this season. Stoudemire and Felton can help us win alot of 50/50 games this season. Plus, don’t forget NY doesn’t have Azubukie yet. When he’s avilable: NY will use him and he could rebound and score better then Bill Walker.

Also, Andre Iguadala is better then Evan Turner. Philadelphia would be giving up the season making that move. The best thing the Sixers can do is do a deal moving both Brand and Iguadala in one swoop.

19134, I am old enough to remember when Billups came into the league and played for Boston.  I am also remember him in college.  Billups was no where close to the player he was in Detroit and is now so for you to say that you stop reading because of that statement means you are probably young and was too young to see and early Billups because there is no way you can make that statement if you saw Billups when he first came in.  Douglas is light years ahead of where Billups was at.  Billups started getting good when he learn to run a team which took him a while because of trades and a few injuries and also he came in as a scorer.  Billups D right now is not on Douglas level.  Billups was a great team defender and used veteran tactics to play defense one on one most guys could burn him with no trouble.  I can not stand people who get caught up in hype with all that Detroit and people saying Billups is a top point now people forget his early years.

I have the Knicks at 45 games and 7th place but that is me.  Alos Mr Knick we disagree on Iggy because he needs to go.  they are a better team when he does not play because he does not fit well with Brand and Brand can not be moved and also Brand is actually playing good.  Evan Turner is a better fit playing with Brand than  Iggy.  As they play more together it will become obvious that Iggy needs to go.  I have been wanted Philly to move Iggy since last year and when they added Turner it was like now they have to.  Philly can have a promising future with Holiday, Turner, Lou Williams, possibly Speight and Brand(since they cant move him and he is good for 17 and 9 when healthy at worst) I am not sure about Hawes.  Kapono is good but may fall out of favor.  Young is solid but Philly seems to be trying to move him which is dumb if they trade Iggy because that could open minutes for Young.

19134, I am old enough to remember when Billups came into the league and played for Boston.  I am also remember him in college.  Billups was no where close to the player he was in Detroit and is now so for you to say that you stop reading because of that statement means you are probably young and was too young to see and early Billups because there is no way you can make that statement if you saw Billups when he first came in.  Douglas is light years ahead of where Billups was at.  Billups started getting good when he learn to run a team which took him a while because of trades and a few injuries and also he came in as a scorer.  Billups D right now is not on Douglas level.  Billups was a great team defender and used veteran tactics to play defense one on one most guys could burn him with no trouble.  I can not stand people who get caught up in hype with all that Detroit and people saying Billups is a top point now people forget his early years.

I have the Knicks at 45 games and 7th place but that is me.  Alos Mr Knick we disagree on Iggy because he needs to go.  they are a better team when he does not play because he does not fit well with Brand and Brand can not be moved and also Brand is actually playing good.  Evan Turner is a better fit playing with Brand than  Iggy.  As they play more together it will become obvious that Iggy needs to go.  I have been wanted Philly to move Iggy since last year and when they added Turner it was like now they have to.  Philly can have a promising future with Holiday, Turner, Lou Williams, possibly Speight and Brand(since they cant move him and he is good for 17 and 9 when healthy at worst) I am not sure about Hawes.  Kapono is good but may fall out of favor.  Young is solid but Philly seems to be trying to move him which is dumb if they trade Iggy because that could open minutes for Young.

RELAX sixers are still 2-5. Its the NBA any team can win on a given night… you can’t say your team is more talented and then say the Knicks might have a better record, thats just dumb. Knicks beat the Bulls the other night in Chicago, did I make a thread that the Bulls may have a better record but the Knicks have more talent?? If the Sixers finish above the Knicks in the standings…. then you can make this thread. way too premature to count a game the knicks gave away with sloppy play as the determining factor in who the better team is.

RELAX sixers are still 2-5. Its the NBA any team can win on a given night… you can’t say your team is more talented and then say the Knicks might have a better record, thats just dumb. Knicks beat the Bulls the other night in Chicago, did I make a thread that the Bulls may have a better record but the Knicks have more talent?? If the Sixers finish above the Knicks in the standings…. then you can make this thread. way too premature to count a game the knicks gave away with sloppy play as the determining factor in who the better team is.

I got the Knicks at 47 wins mainly a combination of a huge upgrade at the PG/PF position with Felton and Amare and a much deeper team overall.  That win total might be a stretch but they definatley have a lot less holes compared to last season.  2 playoff teams in the East won’t make it back the Cavs and Bobcats.  Right now Chicago and Milwaukee aren’t scaring anyone, some teams are just awful Washington, Detroit, Toronto and Indiana.  Gallo might not be a star yet but this is just his 3rd season, he barely played his rookie year and when is the 6th pick in the draft considered a lock to be a stud player.  Right now he’s shooting 40% on 3’s which is pretty good its the rest of his game that needs work.  This year they’ve given up over 110 pts just once.  Its actually been their offense late in games thats cost them a couple game averaging just 103.7 ppg.  Their 7th in rebounding thats been a strength so far compared to 23rd last year so David Lee hasn’t been missed much.  Defensively their 1st in blocks, 4th in forcing turnovers, 6th in steals, 15th in pts allowed, 21st in opp fg%.  Compared to last year they were 30th in blocks, 21st in forcing turnovers, 15th in steals, 27th in pts allowed, 30th in opp fg%.

The Knicks will be fine once Amare gets going right now shooting just 42% with almost 5 turnovers a game.  As for inflated stats playing in D’antoni’s system isn’t that the same for Nash look at his asts playing with Phoenix compared to with Dallas.  Not sure how much you watch the Knicks but your way off on your posts.  BTW who cares if Douglas isn’t Billups, right now he’s the most improved player in the league.

I got the Knicks at 47 wins mainly a combination of a huge upgrade at the PG/PF position with Felton and Amare and a much deeper team overall.  That win total might be a stretch but they definatley have a lot less holes compared to last season.  2 playoff teams in the East won’t make it back the Cavs and Bobcats.  Right now Chicago and Milwaukee aren’t scaring anyone, some teams are just awful Washington, Detroit, Toronto and Indiana.  Gallo might not be a star yet but this is just his 3rd season, he barely played his rookie year and when is the 6th pick in the draft considered a lock to be a stud player.  Right now he’s shooting 40% on 3’s which is pretty good its the rest of his game that needs work.  This year they’ve given up over 110 pts just once.  Its actually been their offense late in games thats cost them a couple game averaging just 103.7 ppg.  Their 7th in rebounding thats been a strength so far compared to 23rd last year so David Lee hasn’t been missed much.  Defensively their 1st in blocks, 4th in forcing turnovers, 6th in steals, 15th in pts allowed, 21st in opp fg%.  Compared to last year they were 30th in blocks, 21st in forcing turnovers, 15th in steals, 27th in pts allowed, 30th in opp fg%.

The Knicks will be fine once Amare gets going right now shooting just 42% with almost 5 turnovers a game.  As for inflated stats playing in D’antoni’s system isn’t that the same for Nash look at his asts playing with Phoenix compared to with Dallas.  Not sure how much you watch the Knicks but your way off on your posts.  BTW who cares if Douglas isn’t Billups, right now he’s the most improved player in the league.

We are 6 games into the Season, we dont know how either team will do. To say Philly will miss the playoffs is an ignorant statement. To say a .500 team will miss the playoffs is also ignorant. Both teams ar eloaded with talent, have good (overrated) coaches and still have alot of time to get it together. How about Randolph thou, guess hes not making the HOF.

We are 6 games into the Season, we dont know how either team will do. To say Philly will miss the playoffs is an ignorant statement. To say a .500 team will miss the playoffs is also ignorant. Both teams ar eloaded with talent, have good (overrated) coaches and still have alot of time to get it together. How about Randolph thou, guess hes not making the HOF.

LOLZ

SMH if this reaches 2 pages

LOLZ

SMH if this reaches 2 pages

Knicks solid, Sixers 🙁

Knicks solid, Sixers 🙁

Lol

smh if Leroy reaches second base

Lol

smh if Leroy reaches second base

 @Shelton SMH….

I am not mad that you insulted my basketball intelligence and experience I am however deeply upset that you stirred up memories of that 97 draft lottery.  Do you know how close the Sixers were to forming a dynasty around Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan?  One Pick.  ONE.  PICK.  Instead we had to settle for Keith Van Horn who we traded for Tim Thomas which was actually a nice move.  The thing is in hindsight if we wanted to go young and raw we could of taken Tracey McGradey instead.

But you still compared Chancey Billups the 3rd pick in that draft to Tony Dougless the 29th pick in last years draft.  And you are seriously going to act like they came in the league with the same potential and expectations.  Billups was always a stud he was one of the highest rated high scool players and also a star in college.  At Colorado Billups was an unstoppable scoring guard who handled the ball on a string and had amazing strength and quickness at the PG spot.  Billups problem was he wasn’t the best passer coming into the league but was still a world of a better playmaker then Tony Dougles.  But if you mean that Dougless is putting up better stats then Billups in his 2nd season then you would be right.

 @Shelton SMH….

I am not mad that you insulted my basketball intelligence and experience I am however deeply upset that you stirred up memories of that 97 draft lottery.  Do you know how close the Sixers were to forming a dynasty around Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan?  One Pick.  ONE.  PICK.  Instead we had to settle for Keith Van Horn who we traded for Tim Thomas which was actually a nice move.  The thing is in hindsight if we wanted to go young and raw we could of taken Tracey McGradey instead.

But you still compared Chancey Billups the 3rd pick in that draft to Tony Dougless the 29th pick in last years draft.  And you are seriously going to act like they came in the league with the same potential and expectations.  Billups was always a stud he was one of the highest rated high scool players and also a star in college.  At Colorado Billups was an unstoppable scoring guard who handled the ball on a string and had amazing strength and quickness at the PG spot.  Billups problem was he wasn’t the best passer coming into the league but was still a world of a better playmaker then Tony Dougles.  But if you mean that Dougless is putting up better stats then Billups in his 2nd season then you would be right.

 @Shelton SMH….

I am not mad that you insulted my basketball intelligence and experience I am however deeply upset that you stirred up memories of that 97 draft lottery.  Do you know how close the Sixers were to forming a dynasty around Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan?  One Pick.  ONE.  PICK.  Instead we had to settle for Keith Van Horn who we traded for Tim Thomas which was actually a nice move.  The thing is in hindsight if we wanted to go young and raw we could of taken Tracey McGradey instead.

But you still compared Chancey Billups the 3rd pick in that draft to Tony Dougless the 29th pick in last years draft.  And you are seriously going to act like they came in the league with the same potential and expectations.  Billups was always a stud he was one of the highest rated high scool players and also a star in college.  At Colorado Billups was an unstoppable scoring guard who handled the ball on a string and had amazing strength and quickness at the PG spot.  Billups problem was he wasn’t the best passer coming into the league but was still a world of a better playmaker then Tony Dougles.  But if you mean that Dougless is putting up better stats then Billups in his 2nd season then you would be right.

 @Shelton SMH….

I am not mad that you insulted my basketball intelligence and experience I am however deeply upset that you stirred up memories of that 97 draft lottery.  Do you know how close the Sixers were to forming a dynasty around Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan?  One Pick.  ONE.  PICK.  Instead we had to settle for Keith Van Horn who we traded for Tim Thomas which was actually a nice move.  The thing is in hindsight if we wanted to go young and raw we could of taken Tracey McGradey instead.

But you still compared Chancey Billups the 3rd pick in that draft to Tony Dougless the 29th pick in last years draft.  And you are seriously going to act like they came in the league with the same potential and expectations.  Billups was always a stud he was one of the highest rated high scool players and also a star in college.  At Colorado Billups was an unstoppable scoring guard who handled the ball on a string and had amazing strength and quickness at the PG spot.  Billups problem was he wasn’t the best passer coming into the league but was still a world of a better playmaker then Tony Dougles.  But if you mean that Dougless is putting up better stats then Billups in his 2nd season then you would be right.

What happened to the days when, “we are .500, thats respectable,” wasn’t acceptable in NY? Cmon man, .500 might get you in the playoffs but is that really what you want? I mean you will be swept in the playoffs. And for Philly, we have more talent depth wise than NY. Philly has 1 bad contract(Brand). But the outlook as of today is better for Philly than NY, in terms of the future. There is no guarantee NY gets anybody like Melo or CP3. But Philly has Holiday, Young, Iggy, Turner, Williams, Speights, and Brackins. That is 7 young players that NY would take in a heartbeat if they could. If Philly could take anyone from NY, they would take Amare and thats it.

What happened to the days when, “we are .500, thats respectable,” wasn’t acceptable in NY? Cmon man, .500 might get you in the playoffs but is that really what you want? I mean you will be swept in the playoffs. And for Philly, we have more talent depth wise than NY. Philly has 1 bad contract(Brand). But the outlook as of today is better for Philly than NY, in terms of the future. There is no guarantee NY gets anybody like Melo or CP3. But Philly has Holiday, Young, Iggy, Turner, Williams, Speights, and Brackins. That is 7 young players that NY would take in a heartbeat if they could. If Philly could take anyone from NY, they would take Amare and thats it.

U pretty much summed up this thread. Thank u 

U pretty much summed up this thread. Thank u 

 I know you can never gamble your future on signing other peoples star players we all saw how that worked out this summer.  And Melo is not Lebron so no matter who they sign they will not be better then the Heat anyway.

You have to develop the home grown talent if you wanna build a winning culture within the organization.  

 I know you can never gamble your future on signing other peoples star players we all saw how that worked out this summer.  And Melo is not Lebron so no matter who they sign they will not be better then the Heat anyway.

You have to develop the home grown talent if you wanna build a winning culture within the organization.  

Right on man. Knicks fans feel like they can just have every player cuz A) They have the Garden B) They have Spike Lee C) The Yankees are able to just buy anyone and D) They are New Yorkers 

Right on man. Knicks fans feel like they can just have every player cuz A) They have the Garden B) They have Spike Lee C) The Yankees are able to just buy anyone and D) They are New Yorkers 

Like the Phillies did 

Like the Phillies did 

U dont even have to include the top 10 pick because in terms of young talent Philly is already way better than NY. Philly is an example of how you rebuild through the draft. You cant sign free agents all the time and when you do, you have a depleted roster. NY will probably win more games than Philly this year, but what about the next 5 years. I will take 1 or 2 bad years over 10 years of mediocrity at best. Signing Amare was a good first step for NY but if he is all you have to show for the last 8 terrible years, then I am sorry for your franchise. NY needs to keep their draft picks.

And I am not trying to kill Knicksboy, its the Knicks that are messing up. Knicksboy is just holding out hope for the team he has loved through the very tough times. I applaud him for supporting his team and sometimes people let the love of their team get in the way of facts. The facts are NY has Amare and a bunch of average players. Gallo is a shooter with some rebounding potential. Chandler is a player thriving in the system built for his athleticism. Douglas is a very good sixth man. Turiaf is a great hustle player. Point is Knicks arent very good.

U dont even have to include the top 10 pick because in terms of young talent Philly is already way better than NY. Philly is an example of how you rebuild through the draft. You cant sign free agents all the time and when you do, you have a depleted roster. NY will probably win more games than Philly this year, but what about the next 5 years. I will take 1 or 2 bad years over 10 years of mediocrity at best. Signing Amare was a good first step for NY but if he is all you have to show for the last 8 terrible years, then I am sorry for your franchise. NY needs to keep their draft picks.

And I am not trying to kill Knicksboy, its the Knicks that are messing up. Knicksboy is just holding out hope for the team he has loved through the very tough times. I applaud him for supporting his team and sometimes people let the love of their team get in the way of facts. The facts are NY has Amare and a bunch of average players. Gallo is a shooter with some rebounding potential. Chandler is a player thriving in the system built for his athleticism. Douglas is a very good sixth man. Turiaf is a great hustle player. Point is Knicks arent very good.

 Yea because the sixers wouldn’t want Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Randolph, Mozgov, Fields, Walker…. I can name young players too so?

Philly is 2-5, Sixers fans need to relax, you can’t base trash talking on one game in the NBA.

 Yea because the sixers wouldn’t want Gallo, Chandler, Douglas, Randolph, Mozgov, Fields, Walker…. I can name young players too so?

Philly is 2-5, Sixers fans need to relax, you can’t base trash talking on one game in the NBA.

 No we really don’t need them players.  We could use Gallo’s shooting but he wouldn’t see the court much because Collins would play Nocioni over him because Gallo can’t defend.  And we could use Randolphs shot blocking but Collins wouldn’t play him like he don’t play Speights because they have very low basketball I.Q.

We have Williams so we don’t need Dougless.  And BTW they are about the same age.

We have Turner so we don’t need Chandler.

Young is better then Fields, probably Chandler and Gallo too but that is debatable.

And Mozgov succs no we don’t want him I’ll take Hawes any day.

And I love Bill Walker but he hasn’t done anything this season he get stay on the court for longer then 15 minutes a game so why would we want him?

 No we really don’t need them players.  We could use Gallo’s shooting but he wouldn’t see the court much because Collins would play Nocioni over him because Gallo can’t defend.  And we could use Randolphs shot blocking but Collins wouldn’t play him like he don’t play Speights because they have very low basketball I.Q.

We have Williams so we don’t need Dougless.  And BTW they are about the same age.

We have Turner so we don’t need Chandler.

Young is better then Fields, probably Chandler and Gallo too but that is debatable.

And Mozgov succs no we don’t want him I’ll take Hawes any day.

And I love Bill Walker but he hasn’t done anything this season he get stay on the court for longer then 15 minutes a game so why would we want him?

 Your own player Ray Felton said it best at the end, "the better team won today."  ooow that hurts.

Knicks need swagger hahaha, they live in New York and can’t find swagger thats terrible I thought it came with every Knick contract.

 Your own player Ray Felton said it best at the end, "the better team won today."  ooow that hurts.

Knicks need swagger hahaha, they live in New York and can’t find swagger thats terrible I thought it came with every Knick contract.

i usually dont laugh at statements but he said the sixers couldnt use mozgov, chandler, gallo, randolph, and douglas. mozgov, i dont know because philly has some mediocre centers but battie has many years and hawes was a lotto pick so no we dont need him. douglas is cheaper than williams but pretty much the same player so no we dont need him. we have turner, iggy, and thad at the 2/3 so why would we need chandler or gallo. and randolph at thois point is all hype. he hasnt show much other than spurts of good play. plus at the 3/4 we have iggy, thad, brand, and speights. so really, philly is stacked with young talent(which ill give you isnt a guarantee to success but its a start). philly is brands bad contract, and an iggy trade away from being a great up and coming team.

i usually dont laugh at statements but he said the sixers couldnt use mozgov, chandler, gallo, randolph, and douglas. mozgov, i dont know because philly has some mediocre centers but battie has many years and hawes was a lotto pick so no we dont need him. douglas is cheaper than williams but pretty much the same player so no we dont need him. we have turner, iggy, and thad at the 2/3 so why would we need chandler or gallo. and randolph at thois point is all hype. he hasnt show much other than spurts of good play. plus at the 3/4 we have iggy, thad, brand, and speights. so really, philly is stacked with young talent(which ill give you isnt a guarantee to success but its a start). philly is brands bad contract, and an iggy trade away from being a great up and coming team.

Yeah Philly is stacked thats why their 2-5 after a 2-5 preseason as well.  So far they lost to Washington, Cleveland and the Nets all teams that are wishing to contend for a playoff spot.  To answer your question on what the Sixers will be if they get a legit Center the same thing they were a few years ago a team that loses in the 1st round 3 of the last 6 years.  They don’t have a franchise player and won’t have 1 for another 2 years.  Iguodala is a nice player but not a franchise one and with 4 years and 56 million left he won’t be so easy to move.  Brand also has a big deal 3 years at over 51 million left.  So while the Knicks were being ruined by Isiah for years the Sixers couldn’t get out of the 1st round and 3 years they missed the playoffs and added 2 huge contracts.  Don’t get me wrong the 76ers have a nice young team developing but your overrating them especially Spencer Hawes look at his stats you want to knock Mozgov who’s played what half a dozen games in the league.  Meanwhile Hawes is in his 4th season of course  you would take him but he’s nothing special.  The Sixers do have more talent but it hasn’t translated into more wins last year or this year basically they are a bunch of parts that don’t fit together.

That statement of the Nets last year being better than the Knicks was just stupid.  The Nets had to win 3 of their last 10 to avoid having the worst record ever.  If the Nets young players were so good they wouldn’t have won 12 games last year.  Devin Harris was awful shooting 40% and 28% on 3’s, he’s got to be one of the most overrated PGs in the league.  The Knicks had a bunch of rookies and expiring contracts put together for cap relief and still won close to 30 games. The last thing about the Knicks being the top 5 worst teams in the league talent wise w/out Amare might not be that far off.  Then again what do you expect they gutted the team for a shot at big name free agents.  Also take away Amare from the Knicks and they’d be sitting on a lot of cap room which they’d have used.  You want to talk about home grown talent look at the best team in the league the Lakers.  3 of their top 7 playes right now came via trade or free agency Gasol, Odom and Artest.  The Celtics, Magic, Mavs and Heat all have star players from free agency or trade.  Its 2010 if you only want to build through the draft you’ll end up like the Twolves and even they made some moves.  Last I checked Chandler, Douglas, Gallo, Fields are all home grown players with a total of 6 years combined experience.  The Knicks weren’t the only team going after Lebron that failed to land him but the big 3 had a plan to play together since the Olympics get over it.  They did land a top player in Amare and still have a very good shot at Mello.  Oh and don’t be so quick to annoint Dougl Collins such a great coach he couldn’t make the Finals even with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.  His career record is 334-292 in the regular season and 15-23 in the playoffs not exactly a Hall of Fame coach.

Yeah Philly is stacked thats why their 2-5 after a 2-5 preseason as well.  So far they lost to Washington, Cleveland and the Nets all teams that are wishing to contend for a playoff spot.  To answer your question on what the Sixers will be if they get a legit Center the same thing they were a few years ago a team that loses in the 1st round 3 of the last 6 years.  They don’t have a franchise player and won’t have 1 for another 2 years.  Iguodala is a nice player but not a franchise one and with 4 years and 56 million left he won’t be so easy to move.  Brand also has a big deal 3 years at over 51 million left.  So while the Knicks were being ruined by Isiah for years the Sixers couldn’t get out of the 1st round and 3 years they missed the playoffs and added 2 huge contracts.  Don’t get me wrong the 76ers have a nice young team developing but your overrating them especially Spencer Hawes look at his stats you want to knock Mozgov who’s played what half a dozen games in the league.  Meanwhile Hawes is in his 4th season of course  you would take him but he’s nothing special.  The Sixers do have more talent but it hasn’t translated into more wins last year or this year basically they are a bunch of parts that don’t fit together.

That statement of the Nets last year being better than the Knicks was just stupid.  The Nets had to win 3 of their last 10 to avoid having the worst record ever.  If the Nets young players were so good they wouldn’t have won 12 games last year.  Devin Harris was awful shooting 40% and 28% on 3’s, he’s got to be one of the most overrated PGs in the league.  The Knicks had a bunch of rookies and expiring contracts put together for cap relief and still won close to 30 games. The last thing about the Knicks being the top 5 worst teams in the league talent wise w/out Amare might not be that far off.  Then again what do you expect they gutted the team for a shot at big name free agents.  Also take away Amare from the Knicks and they’d be sitting on a lot of cap room which they’d have used.  You want to talk about home grown talent look at the best team in the league the Lakers.  3 of their top 7 playes right now came via trade or free agency Gasol, Odom and Artest.  The Celtics, Magic, Mavs and Heat all have star players from free agency or trade.  Its 2010 if you only want to build through the draft you’ll end up like the Twolves and even they made some moves.  Last I checked Chandler, Douglas, Gallo, Fields are all home grown players with a total of 6 years combined experience.  The Knicks weren’t the only team going after Lebron that failed to land him but the big 3 had a plan to play together since the Olympics get over it.  They did land a top player in Amare and still have a very good shot at Mello.  Oh and don’t be so quick to annoint Dougl Collins such a great coach he couldn’t make the Finals even with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.  His career record is 334-292 in the regular season and 15-23 in the playoffs not exactly a Hall of Fame coach.