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- Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:44am #22807

Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantThis guy was my IDOL, I wore #1 on my jersey for years, I have an Orlando Magic jersey, Houston Rockets jersey, some all star game jerseys.. Now my question… Is he done?
And if he is, is he a hall of famer?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:48am #426130

OMARtheLEGENDParticipantHes is not a Hall Of Famer thats for sure too injury prone no chamionships Never been out the first round They speak for themselves…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:48am #426133

OMARtheLEGENDParticipantHes is not a Hall Of Famer thats for sure too injury prone no chamionships Never been out the first round They speak for themselves…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:50am #426138
Mr. ChicagoParticipantAs you said, I really enjoyed watching him play, and he was a phenomenal athlete, however to me; he just doesn’t feel hall of fame.
Career accolades:
7X All-Star
2X First Team all NBA
3X Second Team all NBA
Which are great accolades, however he could never lead a team past the first round of the playoff.
I really like him as a player ,and enjoyed watching him play, but to me he was a good player, just not a great or transcendant one.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:50am #426141
Mr. ChicagoParticipantAs you said, I really enjoyed watching him play, and he was a phenomenal athlete, however to me; he just doesn’t feel hall of fame.
Career accolades:
7X All-Star
2X First Team all NBA
3X Second Team all NBA
Which are great accolades, however he could never lead a team past the first round of the playoff.
I really like him as a player ,and enjoyed watching him play, but to me he was a good player, just not a great or transcendant one.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:54am #426148
the microwaveParticipantgreat player.. but not even close to a hall of famer.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:54am #426151
the microwaveParticipantgreat player.. but not even close to a hall of famer.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:54am #426150

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe’s done and I don’t see the hall of fame.
Ever since he was the 75th best player in the Slam mag, I always felt he was being overrated. He was a great scorer and that was it. He was not bringing a team to a title. Even with Yao, he began getting injured. This guy wasn’t gonna be a HOF to me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:54am #426153

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe’s done and I don’t see the hall of fame.
Ever since he was the 75th best player in the Slam mag, I always felt he was being overrated. He was a great scorer and that was it. He was not bringing a team to a title. Even with Yao, he began getting injured. This guy wasn’t gonna be a HOF to me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:59am #426156
nateoak10ParticipantHOF, maybe. Washed up?Yes
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 10:59am #426159
nateoak10ParticipantHOF, maybe. Washed up?Yes
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:00am #426158

Tyreke JohnsonParticipantHall of Fame talent? Yes but that does not neccesarily cut it, injuries can really affect a guys chances even with extreme talent, see Grant Hill. McGrady could have been a HOFer barring serious injury but sadly things happen and he will not be inducted.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:00am #426161

Tyreke JohnsonParticipantHall of Fame talent? Yes but that does not neccesarily cut it, injuries can really affect a guys chances even with extreme talent, see Grant Hill. McGrady could have been a HOFer barring serious injury but sadly things happen and he will not be inducted.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:01am #426162

Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantThis guy deserved to be on the top 75 players of all time, he was literally unstoppable on offense.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:01am #426165

Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantThis guy deserved to be on the top 75 players of all time, he was literally unstoppable on offense.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:06am #426168

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantBut the NBA is not all offense.
He was a fan favorite but I stated: He was one of the most overrated players in the NBA’s history. I think he doesn’t get in the HOF.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:06am #426171

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantBut the NBA is not all offense.
He was a fan favorite but I stated: He was one of the most overrated players in the NBA’s history. I think he doesn’t get in the HOF.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:35am #426186
goneParticipantJohn wall = Francis Marbury and iverson……..
Smh you are never going to hear the end of this from me
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:35am #426189
goneParticipantJohn wall = Francis Marbury and iverson……..
Smh you are never going to hear the end of this from me
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:38am #426190

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantWiz…I have to say about you Wizards fans.
I think you can have the best PG in the East in a season or two.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 11:38am #426193

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantWiz…I have to say about you Wizards fans.
I think you can have the best PG in the East in a season or two.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:07pm #426198
goneParticipantIf rose doesn’t improve his weaknesses I agree
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:07pm #426200
goneParticipantIf rose doesn’t improve his weaknesses I agree
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:20pm #426205

HaleParticipantMr. Knick and I have had countless debates about McGrady. I don’t think he gets into the hall and I don’t think he was overrated in his prime.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:20pm #426207

HaleParticipantMr. Knick and I have had countless debates about McGrady. I don’t think he gets into the hall and I don’t think he was overrated in his prime.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:25pm #426206

llperezi dont think he gets into the hall. But he was a no question first ballot hall of famer had he stayed healthy. Prime tmac would be right in the mix with todays very best wings.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:25pm #426208

llperezi dont think he gets into the hall. But he was a no question first ballot hall of famer had he stayed healthy. Prime tmac would be right in the mix with todays very best wings.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:29pm #426211

Toronto16ParticipantHe should have stayed in Toronto with Vince. He would have had a title by now, and he knows it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:29pm #426213

Toronto16ParticipantHe should have stayed in Toronto with Vince. He would have had a title by now, and he knows it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:31pm #426212

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantTwo wings who weren’t good defenders and could constantly shoot you out of games? Yup, that’s a title team right there.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:31pm #426214

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantTwo wings who weren’t good defenders and could constantly shoot you out of games? Yup, that’s a title team right there.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:34pm #426215

HaleParticipantT-Mac was a very good defender before he became the main scoring threat in Orlando.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:34pm #426217

HaleParticipantT-Mac was a very good defender before he became the main scoring threat in Orlando.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:37pm #426216

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantAgreed, once he went to Orlando and began his prime seasons. He was not a good defender in Orlando.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:37pm #426218

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantAgreed, once he went to Orlando and began his prime seasons. He was not a good defender in Orlando.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:47pm #426248

franfranParticipantYES, HALL OF FAME
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:47pm #426227

franfranParticipantYES, HALL OF FAME
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:47pm #426228

franfranParticipantYES, HALL OF FAME
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:56pm #426256

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0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:56pm #426235

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0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:56pm #426236

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0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:56pm #426258
Mr. ChicagoParticipant"
Two wings who weren’t goodTwo wings who weren’t good defenders and could constantly shoot you out of games? Yup, that’s a title team right there."
Couldn’t agree more. Vince and TMac does not sound like the building blocks for a title team. They both implode in the playoffs.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:56pm #426237
Mr. ChicagoParticipant"
Two wings who weren’t goodTwo wings who weren’t good defenders and could constantly shoot you out of games? Yup, that’s a title team right there."
Couldn’t agree more. Vince and TMac does not sound like the building blocks for a title team. They both implode in the playoffs.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 12:56pm #426238
Mr. ChicagoParticipant"
Two wings who weren’t goodTwo wings who weren’t good defenders and could constantly shoot you out of games? Yup, that’s a title team right there."
Couldn’t agree more. Vince and TMac does not sound like the building blocks for a title team. They both implode in the playoffs.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:22pm #426247

HaleParticipantT-Mac himself doesn’t implode in the playoffs. He is top 5 all time in playoff ppg I think.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:22pm #426268

HaleParticipantT-Mac himself doesn’t implode in the playoffs. He is top 5 all time in playoff ppg I think.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:26pm #426251

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe might have top 5 playoff ppg because he never got past round 1.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:26pm #426272

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantHe might have top 5 playoff ppg because he never got past round 1.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:32pm #426257

HaleParticipantThat can hardly be blamed on him though. It’s not like he didn’t perform well.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:32pm #426278

HaleParticipantThat can hardly be blamed on him though. It’s not like he didn’t perform well.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:34pm #426259

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantThat’s a opinion.
If were talking about a HOF guy or a great scorer…you can’t win me 4 games? Hell, he could barely win me 3.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:34pm #426280

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantThat’s a opinion.
If were talking about a HOF guy or a great scorer…you can’t win me 4 games? Hell, he could barely win me 3.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:36pm #426263

HaleParticipantI never said he was a Hall of Famer. He never had an easy first round matchup either, and you know as well as I do his teams Orlando teams sucked. I mean you can place some blame on him, but not all of it, or even most of it. He always got his.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 1:36pm #426284

HaleParticipantI never said he was a Hall of Famer. He never had an easy first round matchup either, and you know as well as I do his teams Orlando teams sucked. I mean you can place some blame on him, but not all of it, or even most of it. He always got his.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:06pm #426281
stanford hoopsTo say he was overrated is laughable. No one ever questioned how good he was when he was on top of his game 2x first team all NBA 3x second team. Not debateable even if 2percent says overrated and 98percent says not overrated
I think he’s a hall of famer. Hall of fame is more individual then what you do for you’re team. If you don’t agree watch how billups and rip don’t get in while Nash gets in without ever getting to the finals
Also tmac stepped up in the playoffs everytime the fact is his teammates didn’t. Same with lebron last year while mo Williams and Antwan Jamison averaged 13ppg whie shooting in the low 30. Percentile
Also scored while putting up 6reb 5ast per and being a pretty good (not great) defender
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:06pm #426302
stanford hoopsTo say he was overrated is laughable. No one ever questioned how good he was when he was on top of his game 2x first team all NBA 3x second team. Not debateable even if 2percent says overrated and 98percent says not overrated
I think he’s a hall of famer. Hall of fame is more individual then what you do for you’re team. If you don’t agree watch how billups and rip don’t get in while Nash gets in without ever getting to the finals
Also tmac stepped up in the playoffs everytime the fact is his teammates didn’t. Same with lebron last year while mo Williams and Antwan Jamison averaged 13ppg whie shooting in the low 30. Percentile
Also scored while putting up 6reb 5ast per and being a pretty good (not great) defender
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:23pm #426293

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantAccolades like All NBA team and such really don’t mean much to me when you don’t win. Excuse me, they carry little merrit to me.
I think he was overrated in the fact "If he had a great team around him, he’d would have won as a #1 option." I disagree about that. I didn’t like the fact he couldn’t carry his team when it meant the most. I will admit, sometimes, the team didn’t show up around him but there were some SERIES where he could have won and just got shut out and couldn’t put it together
2. He admit to not playing hard. Even when you don’t play hard, don’t admit it because to me: I just feel like you don’t care. I LOVED Vince Carter as a player growing up but when I developed more basketball knowledge, I realize you just don’t do that and when Vince said it, I lost all respect for him.
3. I really didn’t like what he did with Orlando even though they were a terrible team.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:23pm #426314

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantAccolades like All NBA team and such really don’t mean much to me when you don’t win. Excuse me, they carry little merrit to me.
I think he was overrated in the fact "If he had a great team around him, he’d would have won as a #1 option." I disagree about that. I didn’t like the fact he couldn’t carry his team when it meant the most. I will admit, sometimes, the team didn’t show up around him but there were some SERIES where he could have won and just got shut out and couldn’t put it together
2. He admit to not playing hard. Even when you don’t play hard, don’t admit it because to me: I just feel like you don’t care. I LOVED Vince Carter as a player growing up but when I developed more basketball knowledge, I realize you just don’t do that and when Vince said it, I lost all respect for him.
3. I really didn’t like what he did with Orlando even though they were a terrible team.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:26pm #426297

llperezmr knick, with all due respect, you are missing the boat with tmac. He was absolutely amazing and was on his way to a sure fire hall of fame career. Tmac in his prime was better then durant and melo right now.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:26pm #426318

llperezmr knick, with all due respect, you are missing the boat with tmac. He was absolutely amazing and was on his way to a sure fire hall of fame career. Tmac in his prime was better then durant and melo right now.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:30pm #426299

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI’m not questioning his talents. He was a good player. I would never put him in the elite level. I honestly feel you could not win a title with him as a #1 player.
Those other things I listed are just a couple things that swayed my opinion on him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:30pm #426320

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI’m not questioning his talents. He was a good player. I would never put him in the elite level. I honestly feel you could not win a title with him as a #1 player.
Those other things I listed are just a couple things that swayed my opinion on him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:30pm #426301

Toronto16ParticipantAnybody who watched the Raptors when they had both those guys, knows that in games they played together they pushed each other to play harder. When one would have a big game, the next night the other guy tried to out do him. The NBA is 50 percent mental, and after Tmac left, they’re wasn’t anybody to push these guys to lead their respective teams to much success.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:30pm #426322

Toronto16ParticipantAnybody who watched the Raptors when they had both those guys, knows that in games they played together they pushed each other to play harder. When one would have a big game, the next night the other guy tried to out do him. The NBA is 50 percent mental, and after Tmac left, they’re wasn’t anybody to push these guys to lead their respective teams to much success.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:44pm #426309
getbucketsParticipanti dont think he is a all of famer but if he could have remained healthy he had a chance to be one of the best scorers ever… back in 04 when he had that game with 60+ points is one of the more impressive performances i have seen
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 2:44pm #426330
getbucketsParticipanti dont think he is a all of famer but if he could have remained healthy he had a chance to be one of the best scorers ever… back in 04 when he had that game with 60+ points is one of the more impressive performances i have seen
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 7:42pm #426722

TooNice4TVParticipantHe’s those, "What could have been" players whose injuries have destroyed a potential legacy..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 7:42pm #426737

TooNice4TVParticipantHe’s those, "What could have been" players whose injuries have destroyed a potential legacy..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 9:25pm #426774

RUDEBOY_ParticipantT-Mac will be a Hall of Famer..But maybe not a 1st ballot..If he hadnt gotten hurt..He might finished his career as 1 of the top 10 shooting guards of alltime..you have to remember only a few years ago people were asking who was better him or Kobe?
among the top 40 scorers of all time.
6 -top 10 in MVP voting
2 top 5 finishes in MVP voting
scored 62 points in just 3 quarters…
2 time scoring champ…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 11/03/2010 - 9:25pm #426789

RUDEBOY_ParticipantT-Mac will be a Hall of Famer..But maybe not a 1st ballot..If he hadnt gotten hurt..He might finished his career as 1 of the top 10 shooting guards of alltime..you have to remember only a few years ago people were asking who was better him or Kobe?
among the top 40 scorers of all time.
6 -top 10 in MVP voting
2 top 5 finishes in MVP voting
scored 62 points in just 3 quarters…
2 time scoring champ…
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