where does rondo rank among pg’s today?

So far this year, Rose has shown that he wants to be that go to scorer..That can take over late in games..Last night was a good example, bringing the Bulls from 21 points behind to the win..Rondo hasn’t shown that skill yet..He’s more of a complimentary player ..His hustle,defense and drive makes him very valuable..But his lack of being a good outside shooter and poor at the free thow line ..Makes him a huge liabilty at the end of games….

1.CP3

2.Rose

3.D-Will

4.Rondo

5.Nash

So far this year, Rose has shown that he wants to be that go to scorer..That can take over late in games..Last night was a good example, bringing the Bulls from 21 points behind to the win..Rondo hasn’t shown that skill yet..He’s more of a complimentary player ..His hustle,defense and drive makes him very valuable..But his lack of being a good outside shooter and poor at the free thow line ..Makes him a huge liabilty at the end of games….

1.CP3

2.Rose

3.D-Will

4.Rondo

5.Nash

I think 2 games is a little early to say that Rose has overtaken Williams. 

I think 2 games is a little early to say that Rose has overtaken Williams. 

I dont think Rose is 2nd yet……… He had great game but how is he ahead or Williams? Really please explain.

As for Rondo I feel he can be argued anywhere between 3 -5.

I dont think Rose is 2nd yet……… He had great game but how is he ahead or Williams? Really please explain.

As for Rondo I feel he can be argued anywhere between 3 -5.

To me it’s

Paul, Rondo, Williams, Rose, Westbrook

To me, Rondo has always been 3rd to me but he’s playing out of this world to the point, I move him above Williams. I know what people are going to say "He’s playing with the big 3" but anyone who’s watch the Celtics can agree without him, they don’t win a title and make the finals last season as well. There no other PG (other then Paul) who give you the rebounds, assists and steals Rondo does. Not to mention, he’s always stepped up in the playoffs.

To me it’s

Paul, Rondo, Williams, Rose, Westbrook

To me, Rondo has always been 3rd to me but he’s playing out of this world to the point, I move him above Williams. I know what people are going to say "He’s playing with the big 3" but anyone who’s watch the Celtics can agree without him, they don’t win a title and make the finals last season as well. There no other PG (other then Paul) who give you the rebounds, assists and steals Rondo does. Not to mention, he’s always stepped up in the playoffs.

you can make a case for D-Will, CP3 or Rose as the best point guard..

But Paul does alot of things most people dont notice..Thats what makes him number 1 in my book.

I’d put D-Will number 2..Played better than any point guard in the nba last year…

Rose’s poor defense now is his only weakness since he’s improved his outside shot…

you can make a case for D-Will, CP3 or Rose as the best point guard..

But Paul does alot of things most people dont notice..Thats what makes him number 1 in my book.

I’d put D-Will number 2..Played better than any point guard in the nba last year…

Rose’s poor defense now is his only weakness since he’s improved his outside shot…

I mentioned this in another thread that I’d put Rose as the better player, but Rondo the better PG. Rajon plays the position better, but Rose is such an athletic freak that he can be a go-to guy. Rose is a far inferior playmaker than Rondo though and doesn’t rebound or defend as well so for me it still has to be Rondo has to be at least 3rd and arguably second above Williams. After seeing a motivated Paul in action again he’s simply head and shoulders above the rest right now.

I mentioned this in another thread that I’d put Rose as the better player, but Rondo the better PG. Rajon plays the position better, but Rose is such an athletic freak that he can be a go-to guy. Rose is a far inferior playmaker than Rondo though and doesn’t rebound or defend as well so for me it still has to be Rondo has to be at least 3rd and arguably second above Williams. After seeing a motivated Paul in action again he’s simply head and shoulders above the rest right now.

Instead of listing my personal Top 10, I’m going to name 15 players I think will be argued as Top 10 PG’s all year long.

Chris Paul

Deron Williams

Steve Nash

Rajon Rondo

Derrick Rose

Russell Westbrook

Jason Kidd

Chauncey Billups

Stephen Curry

Brandon Jennings

Aaron Brooks

Rodney Stuckey

Tony Parker

Ray Felton

John Wall

Instead of listing my personal Top 10, I’m going to name 15 players I think will be argued as Top 10 PG’s all year long.

Chris Paul

Deron Williams

Steve Nash

Rajon Rondo

Derrick Rose

Russell Westbrook

Jason Kidd

Chauncey Billups

Stephen Curry

Brandon Jennings

Aaron Brooks

Rodney Stuckey

Tony Parker

Ray Felton

John Wall

 id say:

paul

rondo

williams

rose

nash

westbrook

harris (this guy has played well in 2 games)  and the rest is what ever.

 id say:

paul

rondo

williams

rose

nash

westbrook

harris (this guy has played well in 2 games)  and the rest is what ever.

1. Chris Paul

2. Deron Williams

3. Rajon Rondo (I’ll wait until the season ends before I move Rondo over Williams)

4. Derrick Rose

5. Steve Nash

6. Russell Westbrook

1. Chris Paul

2. Deron Williams

3. Rajon Rondo (I’ll wait until the season ends before I move Rondo over Williams)

4. Derrick Rose

5. Steve Nash

6. Russell Westbrook

Rondo is a top 5 point guard but he’s not better than Rose.Defensively he is..But not overall..

Lets see how Rondo would do if he ran the Bulls or Suns..They’d be lottery teams…

Rondo is a top 5 point guard but he’s not better than Rose.Defensively he is..But not overall..

Lets see how Rondo would do if he ran the Bulls or Suns..They’d be lottery teams…

Rondo is a top 5 point guard but he’s not better than Rose.Defensively he is..But not overall..

…Yes he is. Other then Scoring: Rondo is better in everything else.
 

Rondo is a top 5 point guard but he’s not better than Rose.Defensively he is..But not overall..

…Yes he is. Other then Scoring: Rondo is better in everything else.
 

Rondo is going to have to develop an outside shot before he solidifies himself in the discussion of elite point guards with Paul and Williams. He’s very good, but I wouldn’t put him in that discussion just yet.

Rondo is going to have to develop an outside shot before he solidifies himself in the discussion of elite point guards with Paul and Williams. He’s very good, but I wouldn’t put him in that discussion just yet.

Rondo has limitations..Thats why he didnt make TEAM USA….

Rondo has limitations..Thats why he didnt make TEAM USA….

Yea, his limitation is he is not a high level scorer. He rebounds, pass and plays better defense then Rose.

Also, Rose and Rondo don’t like each other, one of them were getting off that team. According to Bill Simmons. They picked Rondo because you already had a lead PG type in Billups.

Yea, his limitation is he is not a high level scorer. He rebounds, pass and plays better defense then Rose.

Also, Rose and Rondo don’t like each other, one of them were getting off that team. According to Bill Simmons. They picked Rondo because you already had a lead PG type in Billups.

he might be a better overall player then Rose…but with him being a liabitity at the end of games…i think he put you down the list of discussion…plus you saw Kobe guarding him the last couple games in the finals….all he did was back off on him…and even though kobe is a good defender if it was anyother point guard lakers would have lost the finals…..THANKS RONDO…LOL

he might be a better overall player then Rose…but with him being a liabitity at the end of games…i think he put you down the list of discussion…plus you saw Kobe guarding him the last couple games in the finals….all he did was back off on him…and even though kobe is a good defender if it was anyother point guard lakers would have lost the finals…..THANKS RONDO…LOL

How much of a Liability has he been late in games….oh, they made it to the finals 2 out of 3 seasons. The 3rd year they didn’t make it? KG wasn’t healthy.

They been the best team in the east when healthy. He’s been  monster in the playoffs, lead the NBA in steals, top 5 in assists and I believe the highest rpg for a point guard.

Yes, he’s there liability. Trade him now. LOL

How much of a Liability has he been late in games….oh, they made it to the finals 2 out of 3 seasons. The 3rd year they didn’t make it? KG wasn’t healthy.

They been the best team in the east when healthy. He’s been  monster in the playoffs, lead the NBA in steals, top 5 in assists and I believe the highest rpg for a point guard.

Yes, he’s there liability. Trade him now. LOL

Kobe played off of him, but Rondo still got to the paint like he always does. Rondo isn’t a liability at the end of games at all.

Also, Derrick Rose does nothing better than Rondo besides score. Rondo is a better PG than Rose right now.

Kobe played off of him, but Rondo still got to the paint like he always does. Rondo isn’t a liability at the end of games at all.

Also, Derrick Rose does nothing better than Rondo besides score. Rondo is a better PG than Rose right now.

Depends on what category you’re rating him in. If you consider this as best ability to lead a bad team to the playoffs… top 5, but if you rate him judged on ability to lead a championship team he might even be first over CP. The NBA is so role dominant when it comes to point guards and what offense their coach wants them to run. Boston being the quintessential "team" in the league allows Rondo the most freedom to create quality shots for everyone through Boston’s system.

On a team like Chicago where there are less weapons Rose tries to create all of the offense through himself but at the cost of team success. Rondo just runs his team with a swagger of confidence and air that whenever he’s on the floor and in charge of the tempo/flow/attitude of the game, his team is better than your team. And the best part is that once the season passes the 82 game mark and the stakes get higher that swagger grows and his team will more likely than not beat your team.

Depends on what category you’re rating him in. If you consider this as best ability to lead a bad team to the playoffs… top 5, but if you rate him judged on ability to lead a championship team he might even be first over CP. The NBA is so role dominant when it comes to point guards and what offense their coach wants them to run. Boston being the quintessential "team" in the league allows Rondo the most freedom to create quality shots for everyone through Boston’s system.

On a team like Chicago where there are less weapons Rose tries to create all of the offense through himself but at the cost of team success. Rondo just runs his team with a swagger of confidence and air that whenever he’s on the floor and in charge of the tempo/flow/attitude of the game, his team is better than your team. And the best part is that once the season passes the 82 game mark and the stakes get higher that swagger grows and his team will more likely than not beat your team.

24 assist?

The only pg on these list with a ring.

Rondo=1

Those other guys are all tied for 2nd. They need to hit the drawing board.

24 assist?

The only pg on these list with a ring.

Rondo=1

Those other guys are all tied for 2nd. They need to hit the drawing board.

LOL..Dude bringing up stats..if you go by stats then Robert Horry is the best small forward of alltime,becuz he has 7 rings…

LOL..Dude bringing up stats..if you go by stats then Robert Horry is the best small forward of alltime,becuz he has 7 rings…

Rudeboy is right. Does that mean that Stockton doesnt get a nod for top 10 PG of all time just because he lacks a ring?

Rudeboy is right. Does that mean that Stockton doesnt get a nod for top 10 PG of all time just because he lacks a ring?

How u figure rose is a better overall point guard?that’s not even debatable. Rose is a better scorer but rondo is much better at defense, rebounding,passing,  so how can u say rose is better overall?

Cp3/dwill
Rondo
Westbrook
Rose

How u figure rose is a better overall point guard?that’s not even debatable. Rose is a better scorer but rondo is much better at defense, rebounding,passing,  so how can u say rose is better overall?

Cp3/dwill
Rondo
Westbrook
Rose

@Stanford Hoops, I like your reasoning, but I am curious to see where you’d put Nash. I am kind of torn about him. On the one hand, he is a great guy, a great scoring point guard with phenomenal fundamentals, and he also makes literally everyone around him better. He can make averages players look like stars. On the other hand, he is miserable at defense. I’m not sure what to think. I guess I put him behind Rondo at this point and say:

Paul

Williams

Rondo 

Nash

Westbrook

Rose

@Stanford Hoops, I like your reasoning, but I am curious to see where you’d put Nash. I am kind of torn about him. On the one hand, he is a great guy, a great scoring point guard with phenomenal fundamentals, and he also makes literally everyone around him better. He can make averages players look like stars. On the other hand, he is miserable at defense. I’m not sure what to think. I guess I put him behind Rondo at this point and say:

Paul

Williams

Rondo 

Nash

Westbrook

Rose

Oh and also, I think that Jennings might work himself into the conversation in the next couple of seasons.  

Oh and also, I think that Jennings might work himself into the conversation in the next couple of seasons.  

It’s very hard to argue Rose and Rondo because Rose is a scoring guard and Rondo is a true team first lead PG.

Rondo does do everything better then Rose but shoot.  If Rondo could shooter better and had a ball hog mentality he could average just as many points as Rose because as hard as this is to accept I’m going to accept I’m going to say Rondo is a better ball handler then Rose.  And Rondo easily has better court vision.  

And @ the end of games think of it this way, who would you rather have guard Kobe or Wade before they take the game deciding shot?  Rondo or Rose?  So whose really the liability at the end of games?

1. Paul

2. Williams

3. Westbrook

4. Rondo

5. Rose

It’s very hard to argue Rose and Rondo because Rose is a scoring guard and Rondo is a true team first lead PG.

Rondo does do everything better then Rose but shoot.  If Rondo could shooter better and had a ball hog mentality he could average just as many points as Rose because as hard as this is to accept I’m going to accept I’m going to say Rondo is a better ball handler then Rose.  And Rondo easily has better court vision.  

And @ the end of games think of it this way, who would you rather have guard Kobe or Wade before they take the game deciding shot?  Rondo or Rose?  So whose really the liability at the end of games?

1. Paul

2. Williams

3. Westbrook

4. Rondo

5. Rose

nash is better than rondo easily

nash is better than rondo easily

and rondo is my fav player on top of that, SO IM NOT BIAS!!!

and rondo is my fav player on top of that, SO IM NOT BIAS!!!

This dude had Westbrook ahead Rondo and Rose….

This dude had Westbrook ahead Rondo and Rose….

How is Nash better then Rondo today.

How is Nash better then Rondo today.

Robert Horry played PF for most of his rings.

Robert Horry played PF for most of his rings.

I like your list.

I’d put it like this though:

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Derrick Rose

I like your list.

I’d put it like this though:

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Steve Nash
5. Derrick Rose

So you still rank D-Will number one how? Even after we see CP3  get 16 assists with one of his starting teammates get 0 points and noone on the bench getting more then 10 and taking this NO team to 3-0 so far?

So you still rank D-Will number one how? Even after we see CP3  get 16 assists with one of his starting teammates get 0 points and noone on the bench getting more then 10 and taking this NO team to 3-0 so far?

I’m not even going to answer that.

I’m not even going to answer that.

I actually forgot about Nash.  I’d have him as a tie or flip a coin

Nash better shooter
Better passer
Rondo better defender
Better rebounder

I actually forgot about Nash.  I’d have him as a tie or flip a coin

Nash better shooter
Better passer
Rondo better defender
Better rebounder

Please answer it. I mean, I think your the only person here with Williams one. Other then you being a Jazz fan, explain why he’s number one if you can.

Also, I don’t think Nash is the better passer anymore.

Please answer it. I mean, I think your the only person here with Williams one. Other then you being a Jazz fan, explain why he’s number one if you can.

Also, I don’t think Nash is the better passer anymore.

I’ve answered that a billion times.

Paul has played well during the first week of the season. Williams hasn’t (until tonight). It doesn’t change anything.

So I’m not going to answer that question. It doesn’t deserve an answer.

I’ve answered that a billion times.

Paul has played well during the first week of the season. Williams hasn’t (until tonight). It doesn’t change anything.

So I’m not going to answer that question. It doesn’t deserve an answer.

Mr. Knick, I think the point would be that we can’t judge anything based off of the first week of the season. I’m not sure that Paul is better than Williams, I’m undecided. But, nothing that has happened during the first week has made the decision easier. Williams didn’t play well, and Paul did. Next week it might be the opposite. You can judge 2 players on such a small sample size. Both of them are incredibly good at what they do and in their respective systems.

Mr. Knick, I think the point would be that we can’t judge anything based off of the first week of the season. I’m not sure that Paul is better than Williams, I’m undecided. But, nothing that has happened during the first week has made the decision easier. Williams didn’t play well, and Paul did. Next week it might be the opposite. You can judge 2 players on such a small sample size. Both of them are incredibly good at what they do and in their respective systems.

It’s tough ranking Rondo.

He’s not good at any facet of shooting the basketball. He’s not even respectable. He’s become very good at attacking that space defenses give him, but… He’s still a liability shooting the ball.

I think he’s more of a complimentary player… A player that’s only as good as his teammates. He’s not a player that could carry a team or be that player you build around.

1. Chris Paul – Other than size, I don’t think Williams has anything on him. Paul is this generation’s Isiah Thomas.

2. Deron Williams – A complete point guard with an interesting blend of size/strength and quickness.

3. Derrick Rose – He isn’t the greatest defender or passer, but he’s a dominate offensive player who can carry a team. He’s becoming a serious closer.

4. Steve Nash – 50, 40 and 90. Throw in double figure assists. He’s not a good defender or rebounder, but is still the best at making his teammates better.

5. Rajon Rondo – He’s great at everything, except putting the ball in the basket which is a huge deal.

It’s tough ranking Rondo.

He’s not good at any facet of shooting the basketball. He’s not even respectable. He’s become very good at attacking that space defenses give him, but… He’s still a liability shooting the ball.

I think he’s more of a complimentary player… A player that’s only as good as his teammates. He’s not a player that could carry a team or be that player you build around.

1. Chris Paul – Other than size, I don’t think Williams has anything on him. Paul is this generation’s Isiah Thomas.

2. Deron Williams – A complete point guard with an interesting blend of size/strength and quickness.

3. Derrick Rose – He isn’t the greatest defender or passer, but he’s a dominate offensive player who can carry a team. He’s becoming a serious closer.

4. Steve Nash – 50, 40 and 90. Throw in double figure assists. He’s not a good defender or rebounder, but is still the best at making his teammates better.

5. Rajon Rondo – He’s great at everything, except putting the ball in the basket which is a huge deal.

I agree with everything on your list 100%.

I agree with everything on your list 100%.

1- Chris Paul

2- Deron Williams

3- Rajon Rondo

4- Derrick Rose

5- Russell Westbrook

Honorable Mention- Steve Nash, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry and Aaron Brooks

1- Chris Paul

2- Deron Williams

3- Rajon Rondo

4- Derrick Rose

5- Russell Westbrook

Honorable Mention- Steve Nash, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry and Aaron Brooks

Russel Westbrook has proven in the past year he is better then Rose and from the looks of it has leapfrogged Rondo in the process. 

Teams USA.  Westbrook outplayed both Rose and Rondo in the tryouts.  And in the tournament Westbrook came on late and was a huge reason for Team USA"s success playing better basketball then Rose down the stretch.

Westbrook just outplayed Rose head to head also last week.  Most of us watched that game.  Sure it was close but what was also obvious is Westbrook has proven to be every bit the explosive scorer that Rose is, but Westbrook is also a lock down defender and a better passer.

Put Rondo’s defense and passing in Rose’s body with his scoring and you get Russel Westbrook.

Westbrook will be the 3rd best PG in the league by the end of this season.

Russel Westbrook has proven in the past year he is better then Rose and from the looks of it has leapfrogged Rondo in the process. 

Teams USA.  Westbrook outplayed both Rose and Rondo in the tryouts.  And in the tournament Westbrook came on late and was a huge reason for Team USA"s success playing better basketball then Rose down the stretch.

Westbrook just outplayed Rose head to head also last week.  Most of us watched that game.  Sure it was close but what was also obvious is Westbrook has proven to be every bit the explosive scorer that Rose is, but Westbrook is also a lock down defender and a better passer.

Put Rondo’s defense and passing in Rose’s body with his scoring and you get Russel Westbrook.

Westbrook will be the 3rd best PG in the league by the end of this season.

 Steve Nash is not to be slept on he is still one of 2 players in the 50-40-90 club.  Nash is just so efficient.  And he still has the best court vision in the league that did not go anywhere.  Nash is one of the top 5 pure passers this league has ever seen bottom line.  His defense keeps him out my top 5 but on any given night can play like the best guard in the league.  

 Steve Nash is not to be slept on he is still one of 2 players in the 50-40-90 club.  Nash is just so efficient.  And he still has the best court vision in the league that did not go anywhere.  Nash is one of the top 5 pure passers this league has ever seen bottom line.  His defense keeps him out my top 5 but on any given night can play like the best guard in the league.  

"Put Rondo’s defense and passing in Rose’s body with his scoring and you get Russel Westbrook."

That’s not what you get at all. Westbrook is not as good a passer or caretaker as Rondo. He also doesn’t have Rose’s body and is a notch below Rose in terms of scoring ability.

"Put Rondo’s defense and passing in Rose’s body with his scoring and you get Russel Westbrook."

That’s not what you get at all. Westbrook is not as good a passer or caretaker as Rondo. He also doesn’t have Rose’s body and is a notch below Rose in terms of scoring ability.

For Tezo to call Rondo a "Complementary Player"  That’s enough for me. I retire after that post right there.

Rondo is the PERFECT point guard you want. He’s Jason Kidd. For all the "He cannot score" He averaged 13 last season. Isin’t that exactly what you would want from him? In the NBA today, there are too many scoring point guards.

The last two teams to have point guards be thier number one options and win a title? Chauncey Billups in 2004 and Isiah Thomas in 1989. Thats it.

Rondo is the best point guard in the NBA if you have a bunch of good players. Like the Pistons, Bobcats, Raptors, Grizzlies and Clippers would all be BETTER teams with Rondo for the simple reason he doesn’t need to score (nor does he try to force baskets) and he can help your scorers by at least 3ppg IMO.

For you to even put Derrick Rose in Rondo’s league RIGHT NOW is crazy. Rose is still raw as a point guard from what I saw. I’m not looking at the assists totals because 6.5 assists from a guard is not that great. He’s not a elite defender (something MANY people expected) and he hasn’t won anything yet. Like I said, he’s good and should potentially be better then Rondo but

Scoring-Rose

Rebounding-Rondo

Passing-Rondo

Defense-Rondo

Steals/Passing Lanes-Rondo

Experience-Rondo

Upside-Rose

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A PLAYER WHO’S BETTER THAN ANOTHER PLAYER IN 5 OF THE 7 MAIN CATERGORIES FOR A POINT GUARD IS BELOW HIM?

Note: I have no problem if you said I’d take Rose over Rondo because I like Rose, but to call him a better basketball player? Sit down man.

For Tezo to call Rondo a "Complementary Player"  That’s enough for me. I retire after that post right there.

Rondo is the PERFECT point guard you want. He’s Jason Kidd. For all the "He cannot score" He averaged 13 last season. Isin’t that exactly what you would want from him? In the NBA today, there are too many scoring point guards.

The last two teams to have point guards be thier number one options and win a title? Chauncey Billups in 2004 and Isiah Thomas in 1989. Thats it.

Rondo is the best point guard in the NBA if you have a bunch of good players. Like the Pistons, Bobcats, Raptors, Grizzlies and Clippers would all be BETTER teams with Rondo for the simple reason he doesn’t need to score (nor does he try to force baskets) and he can help your scorers by at least 3ppg IMO.

For you to even put Derrick Rose in Rondo’s league RIGHT NOW is crazy. Rose is still raw as a point guard from what I saw. I’m not looking at the assists totals because 6.5 assists from a guard is not that great. He’s not a elite defender (something MANY people expected) and he hasn’t won anything yet. Like I said, he’s good and should potentially be better then Rondo but

Scoring-Rose

Rebounding-Rondo

Passing-Rondo

Defense-Rondo

Steals/Passing Lanes-Rondo

Experience-Rondo

Upside-Rose

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A PLAYER WHO’S BETTER THAN ANOTHER PLAYER IN 5 OF THE 7 MAIN CATERGORIES FOR A POINT GUARD IS BELOW HIM?

Note: I have no problem if you said I’d take Rose over Rondo because I like Rose, but to call him a better basketball player? Sit down man.

Call me a Douche or a Dick or whatever, It doesn’t make any sense.

Call me a Douche or a Dick or whatever, It doesn’t make any sense.

Rondo can not make someone pay for backing off…so it does make him some sort of a liability…im not saying that it takes him out of the list of the great point guards of the league but it certainly puts him down…you want your point guard to have the ability to take what the defences give him..if people back off make them pay…rondo hasnt shown that he has the ability to do that…he is a horrible free throw shooter so it does make him a liability at the end of games….and you might think he is only lackin a jump shot so it shouldnt put him down the list…but that liability is huge….his team doesnt go to him late in games or he wont even touch the ball….sorry i want my best distrubitor to have the ball at the end of games i dont know bout you guys

Rondo can not make someone pay for backing off…so it does make him some sort of a liability…im not saying that it takes him out of the list of the great point guards of the league but it certainly puts him down…you want your point guard to have the ability to take what the defences give him..if people back off make them pay…rondo hasnt shown that he has the ability to do that…he is a horrible free throw shooter so it does make him a liability at the end of games….and you might think he is only lackin a jump shot so it shouldnt put him down the list…but that liability is huge….his team doesnt go to him late in games or he wont even touch the ball….sorry i want my best distrubitor to have the ball at the end of games i dont know bout you guys

 Rondo finds way, when you sag off of him he keeps pressure on the defense by either waiting for the play to develop on what he does is take the ball to the defense.  Once he takes the ball to the defender he makes the defender play him and then its either one on one again or somebodies open.

Rondo is a way more intelligent basketball player then Rose and compensates for a lack of a jump shot by out smarting players.  
 

And Westbrook got a better body then Rose.  Westbrook is quicker and stronger.  Rose don’t have Westbrooks lateral quickness therefore he will never be the defender he is.

 Rondo finds way, when you sag off of him he keeps pressure on the defense by either waiting for the play to develop on what he does is take the ball to the defense.  Once he takes the ball to the defender he makes the defender play him and then its either one on one again or somebodies open.

Rondo is a way more intelligent basketball player then Rose and compensates for a lack of a jump shot by out smarting players.  
 

And Westbrook got a better body then Rose.  Westbrook is quicker and stronger.  Rose don’t have Westbrooks lateral quickness therefore he will never be the defender he is.

 With that said I think Rose will have an MVP type season this year but when it comes to who is the better "Point Guard" I think Westbrook and Rondo are better.

 With that said I think Rose will have an MVP type season this year but when it comes to who is the better "Point Guard" I think Westbrook and Rondo are better.

Rondo impacts the game very similar to Jason Kidd in his prime and its obvious Rondo is an elite PG… He cant be that much of a liability at the end of games if he was the starting point guard on a championship team, he has proven that he can raise his game at crunch time…

Rondo impacts the game very similar to Jason Kidd in his prime and its obvious Rondo is an elite PG… He cant be that much of a liability at the end of games if he was the starting point guard on a championship team, he has proven that he can raise his game at crunch time…

If Rondo is a role-player than he is the best role player in the NBA.

(Are the terms "complementary player" and "role player" synonymous?")

If Rondo is a role-player than he is the best role player in the NBA.

(Are the terms "complementary player" and "role player" synonymous?")

Rose have the upper body strength,timing and leaping ability to improve his rebounding numbers..he’s still evolving as a player..

Rose have the upper body strength,timing and leaping ability to improve his rebounding numbers..he’s still evolving as a player..

I think Rondo is the better PG and he is better at every facet of the game than Rose except for scoring, like some people have mentioned. I think people underestimate how Rondo impacts a game just because he isn’t a prolific scorer. Rondo may not be able to score great, but he did carry the Celtics in the playoffs last year. Being able to impact a game without having to score mass points is more impactful than taking a lot of shots and scoring, in my opinion.

I think Rondo is the better PG and he is better at every facet of the game than Rose except for scoring, like some people have mentioned. I think people underestimate how Rondo impacts a game just because he isn’t a prolific scorer. Rondo may not be able to score great, but he did carry the Celtics in the playoffs last year. Being able to impact a game without having to score mass points is more impactful than taking a lot of shots and scoring, in my opinion.

Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce. Ray Allen. That’s three players headed for the Hall of Fame. Can anyone name another point guard that’s had that luxury?

Rondo’s a great point guard and he’s earned my respect, but I’m not going to ignore how much the Big Three have helped his career.

He’s a perfect fit for the Celtics, but I don’t think he could be that main guy and carry a team the entire regular season year after year. IF I had to build my team around a point guard, I’m not picking Rajon Rondo.

Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce. Ray Allen. That’s three players headed for the Hall of Fame. Can anyone name another point guard that’s had that luxury?

Rondo’s a great point guard and he’s earned my respect, but I’m not going to ignore how much the Big Three have helped his career.

He’s a perfect fit for the Celtics, but I don’t think he could be that main guy and carry a team the entire regular season year after year. IF I had to build my team around a point guard, I’m not picking Rajon Rondo.

That’s pretty much my thoughts exactly. 

The Celtics lineup fits Rondo perfectly, it masks his weaknesses pretty well, and it allows him to play to his strengths. But, I think that there are other point guards who could do the same thing. I think both Paul and Williams would probably have even more success in the Celtics offense. I don’t think that Rondo would do nearly as well in their positions. Any team that is relying on Rondo to be their go to scorer is going to have trouble.  

That’s pretty much my thoughts exactly. 

The Celtics lineup fits Rondo perfectly, it masks his weaknesses pretty well, and it allows him to play to his strengths. But, I think that there are other point guards who could do the same thing. I think both Paul and Williams would probably have even more success in the Celtics offense. I don’t think that Rondo would do nearly as well in their positions. Any team that is relying on Rondo to be their go to scorer is going to have trouble.  

And @JNixon-Iggy9

Not to call you out at all (I have to say this now before I question something since some people on the site think I have "personal" vendettas against them), but I’m confused… You had Rose ranked above Rondo on your top 50 list, but not on your top point guard list. What’s the difference?

And @JNixon-Iggy9

Not to call you out at all (I have to say this now before I question something since some people on the site think I have "personal" vendettas against them), but I’m confused… You had Rose ranked above Rondo on your top 50 list, but not on your top point guard list. What’s the difference?

1 paul 2 dwill 3 nash 4 rondo 5 rose i magine nash wiht boston hed get 15 to 20 assists every game and i barely put rose over west brook

1 paul 2 dwill 3 nash 4 rondo 5 rose i magine nash wiht boston hed get 15 to 20 assists every game and i barely put rose over west brook

So, your building a team with Derrick Rose?

Let me ask you this, do you think Derrick Rose can win a title as a #1 guy? I ask because that what he has to be in the NBA today. Rondo gives you the luxary of another rebounder, a elite defender, a passer and he doesn’t force shots.

So, your building a team with Derrick Rose?

Let me ask you this, do you think Derrick Rose can win a title as a #1 guy? I ask because that what he has to be in the NBA today. Rondo gives you the luxary of another rebounder, a elite defender, a passer and he doesn’t force shots.

I wouldn’t build my team around a point guard, BUT IF I had to… I’d build my team around Rose instead of Rondo. I think that’s a no brainer.

I wouldn’t build my team around a point guard, BUT IF I had to… I’d build my team around Rose instead of Rondo. I think that’s a no brainer.

I still don’t understand why. I need to understand are you basing this more on his upside?

We seen the breakdown, he’s not the better player. Scorer? Yes but in the NBA where the point guard doesn’t have to score alot usually win titles: Why Rose over Rondo?

I still don’t understand why. I need to understand are you basing this more on his upside?

We seen the breakdown, he’s not the better player. Scorer? Yes but in the NBA where the point guard doesn’t have to score alot usually win titles: Why Rose over Rondo?

The whole thing about having KG, Paul, and Allen as team mates masks his weaknesses is moot, and it is farfetched to say that he wouldn’t have success without them. For argument’s sake, that is like saying the main reason D. Rose scores a lot is because the bulls have no team offense right now. He wouldn’t score nearly as much as he does right now if he had another proven scorer on his team or a better team. The fact that D. Rose scores a lot masks his weakness, which is his playmaking ability, so he has to carry the load without worrying about getting others the ball much.

Btw, isn’t that a PG’s main responsibility: to get others involved? For all we know, Rondo could make a team full of good players look like all-stars with his playmaking ability. A PG can carry a team for moments, but a PG, alone, won’t win you a championship. The difference is Rondo will play well with a team full of high caliber players. If you put D. Rose on a championship caliber team like Rondo is playing with, I HIGHLY DOUBT that he could keep all of them happy and involved. Rondo does a lot of work for the Celtics that is underrated or unappreciated from a TEAM aspect and not an INDIVIDUAL aspect.

The whole thing about having KG, Paul, and Allen as team mates masks his weaknesses is moot, and it is farfetched to say that he wouldn’t have success without them. For argument’s sake, that is like saying the main reason D. Rose scores a lot is because the bulls have no team offense right now. He wouldn’t score nearly as much as he does right now if he had another proven scorer on his team or a better team. The fact that D. Rose scores a lot masks his weakness, which is his playmaking ability, so he has to carry the load without worrying about getting others the ball much.

Btw, isn’t that a PG’s main responsibility: to get others involved? For all we know, Rondo could make a team full of good players look like all-stars with his playmaking ability. A PG can carry a team for moments, but a PG, alone, won’t win you a championship. The difference is Rondo will play well with a team full of high caliber players. If you put D. Rose on a championship caliber team like Rondo is playing with, I HIGHLY DOUBT that he could keep all of them happy and involved. Rondo does a lot of work for the Celtics that is underrated or unappreciated from a TEAM aspect and not an INDIVIDUAL aspect.

This just isn’t that difficult for me.

I’m not building my franchise around Rajon Rondo over Derrick Rose (IF I had to choose a point guard, which I wouldn’t). I wouldn’t build my team around a player who couldn’t score the basketball. It’s that simple. Rondo is horrible at every single last facet of shooting. Without great teammates (and the defense keying in on him) I think he’d struggle tremendously. He has benefited from the respect teams show KG, Pierce and Allen. Deron Williams hasn’t had that. Chris Paul hasn’t had that. Rose hasn’t had that.  

And I’m tired of people acting like Derrick Rose can’t pass or get his teammates involved. He’s not as great of a passer as Rondo, but let’s kill this notion that he can’t pass. Rose is respectable at every facet of the game, while being an unbelievable scorer.

This just isn’t that difficult for me.

I’m not building my franchise around Rajon Rondo over Derrick Rose (IF I had to choose a point guard, which I wouldn’t). I wouldn’t build my team around a player who couldn’t score the basketball. It’s that simple. Rondo is horrible at every single last facet of shooting. Without great teammates (and the defense keying in on him) I think he’d struggle tremendously. He has benefited from the respect teams show KG, Pierce and Allen. Deron Williams hasn’t had that. Chris Paul hasn’t had that. Rose hasn’t had that.  

And I’m tired of people acting like Derrick Rose can’t pass or get his teammates involved. He’s not as great of a passer as Rondo, but let’s kill this notion that he can’t pass. Rose is respectable at every facet of the game, while being an unbelievable scorer.

Derrick Rose never averaged 7 assists in a season, he’s a average defender and is not a premier shooter.

I’m not building a team around Rondo either. I feel it’s easier to build around Rondo then Rose though.

Derrick Rose never averaged 7 assists in a season, he’s a average defender and is not a premier shooter.

I’m not building a team around Rondo either. I feel it’s easier to build around Rondo then Rose though.

I thought Rondo not making TEAM USA would prove to people he have other holes in his game besides not being a good shooter….

I thought Rondo not making TEAM USA would prove to people he have other holes in his game besides not being a good shooter….

I thought Rondo not making TEAM USA would prove to people he have other holes in his game besides not being a good shooter….

Like what since you know them….. Tell us what they are.
 

I thought Rondo not making TEAM USA would prove to people he have other holes in his game besides not being a good shooter….

Like what since you know them….. Tell us what they are.
 

Derrick Rose has always been an unselfish player… Yes, he averaged less than 7 apg in his first two seasons.. I watched him play more often and have come to conclude that his teammates are the problem… He creates for his team but guys like Deng, Johnson, Hinrich, they could not knock their shots down… That’s why had Ben Gordon got another extension for the Bulls, I think he would complement Rose’ game a little bit better.. He would have upped his average by a little bit although I don’t think Rose will ever average more than 9 or 8 a game… He’s a very good playmaker than people give him credit for… That’s because he has come to realize last season that he NEEDS to be an Allen Iverson now for Chicago rather than become a Jason Kidd type… He realized that his team was winning when he scores more.. I saw his early games last season and he looked really passive, nevermind the sprained ankle, he seems to defer to his "un" reliable teammates who doesn’t have that takeover mentality…

This could be the year where DRose could prove that he’s a playmaker now that he’s got some shooters, slashers and ESPECIALLY an offensive low post presence… If he doesn’t come out impressive in all of your eyes, then I’ll say I’m wrong about Rose…

Derrick Rose has always been an unselfish player… Yes, he averaged less than 7 apg in his first two seasons.. I watched him play more often and have come to conclude that his teammates are the problem… He creates for his team but guys like Deng, Johnson, Hinrich, they could not knock their shots down… That’s why had Ben Gordon got another extension for the Bulls, I think he would complement Rose’ game a little bit better.. He would have upped his average by a little bit although I don’t think Rose will ever average more than 9 or 8 a game… He’s a very good playmaker than people give him credit for… That’s because he has come to realize last season that he NEEDS to be an Allen Iverson now for Chicago rather than become a Jason Kidd type… He realized that his team was winning when he scores more.. I saw his early games last season and he looked really passive, nevermind the sprained ankle, he seems to defer to his "un" reliable teammates who doesn’t have that takeover mentality…

This could be the year where DRose could prove that he’s a playmaker now that he’s got some shooters, slashers and ESPECIALLY an offensive low post presence… If he doesn’t come out impressive in all of your eyes, then I’ll say I’m wrong about Rose…

Of course Rose can pass. Any starting PG in the NBA should have some type of passing ability, but he is the only "top tier" PG whose passing skill is lacking compared to the other top tier PGs. His passing is slightly above average for a NBA PG. Even Wall’s playmaking is above Rose’s right now, and Wall, supposedly, is the same type of PG Rose is. There is no denying that. I agree that KG, Allen, and Paul have helped Rondo become a better player, but these guys are past their primes, and KG is a shell of his former self. He was bullied around last year in the finals. And really, the only legitimate guy on their team who can get their shot by themself is Paul. Rondo makes this team work.

And really we just agreed on something in your first statement: "I’m not building my franchise around Rajon Rondo over Derrick Rose (IF I had to choose a point guard, which I wouldn’t)." There have been a lot of great PGs who never won championships. A PG can’t carry a team, and that is why I wouldn’t even bother picking a PG who looks to score first.

Of course Rose can pass. Any starting PG in the NBA should have some type of passing ability, but he is the only "top tier" PG whose passing skill is lacking compared to the other top tier PGs. His passing is slightly above average for a NBA PG. Even Wall’s playmaking is above Rose’s right now, and Wall, supposedly, is the same type of PG Rose is. There is no denying that. I agree that KG, Allen, and Paul have helped Rondo become a better player, but these guys are past their primes, and KG is a shell of his former self. He was bullied around last year in the finals. And really, the only legitimate guy on their team who can get their shot by themself is Paul. Rondo makes this team work.

And really we just agreed on something in your first statement: "I’m not building my franchise around Rajon Rondo over Derrick Rose (IF I had to choose a point guard, which I wouldn’t)." There have been a lot of great PGs who never won championships. A PG can’t carry a team, and that is why I wouldn’t even bother picking a PG who looks to score first.

Last real PG’s to lead there teams to a title

Chauncey Billups and Isiah Thomas

Last real PG’s to lead there teams to a title

Chauncey Billups and Isiah Thomas

"Derrick Rose never averaged 7 assists in a season, he’s a average defender and is not a premier shooter."

This is only his third season in the league. He’s not an elite passer, but he hasn’t had the best teammates either. He’s still averaging over 6 per game for his career. He should average at least 7 this season.

He’s not a great defender, but he’s respectable. He’s still improving there. Was LeBron James as good of a defender during his third season as he is now?

What’s your definition of a premier shooter? Kyle Korver? Jason Kapono? Kevin Durant? I mean, not everybody can be a premier shooter. However, Rose knocks that mid-range jumper down consistently and comfortably. He’s even gaining confidence in his three-pointer.

"Derrick Rose never averaged 7 assists in a season, he’s a average defender and is not a premier shooter."

This is only his third season in the league. He’s not an elite passer, but he hasn’t had the best teammates either. He’s still averaging over 6 per game for his career. He should average at least 7 this season.

He’s not a great defender, but he’s respectable. He’s still improving there. Was LeBron James as good of a defender during his third season as he is now?

What’s your definition of a premier shooter? Kyle Korver? Jason Kapono? Kevin Durant? I mean, not everybody can be a premier shooter. However, Rose knocks that mid-range jumper down consistently and comfortably. He’s even gaining confidence in his three-pointer.

"Not to call you out at all (I have to say this now before I question something since some people on the site think I have "personal" vendettas against them), but I’m confused… You had Rose ranked above Rondo on your top 50 list, but not on your top point guard list. What’s the difference?"

For one, my list was a player list as opposed to this being a PG list. I think Rose is a more dominant player than Rondo is. Not a better PG though. Rondo is a better PG than Derrick Rose, but Rose is a more dominant player.

"Not to call you out at all (I have to say this now before I question something since some people on the site think I have "personal" vendettas against them), but I’m confused… You had Rose ranked above Rondo on your top 50 list, but not on your top point guard list. What’s the difference?"

For one, my list was a player list as opposed to this being a PG list. I think Rose is a more dominant player than Rondo is. Not a better PG though. Rondo is a better PG than Derrick Rose, but Rose is a more dominant player.

LBJ was an average defender in his first few years… But during his 5th-6th season he has started to show how hard he worked on defense and he has improved dramatically… I think that was the time he finally won MVP…

LBJ was an average defender in his first few years… But during his 5th-6th season he has started to show how hard he worked on defense and he has improved dramatically… I think that was the time he finally won MVP…

Yes, this is his 3rd year in the L but your putting him up there like he lit the world on fire. He’s not a elite playmaker and honestly, I think his ceiling is 8apg at the most.

He’s not a respectable defender either. He’s a average defender. He also doesn’t get steals. So he is just a average defender.

A perimeter shooter is someone who’s respectable from the perimeter. He is not. I seen both his game this season AND his last two seasons, he gets most his baskets from the slashing ability he possesses. He also doesn’t get to the line alot ( He averaged 3.1 and 4.3 FTA his 1st two seasons)

So I ask again….right now. Other then scoring: How is Rose better then Rondo?

Yes, this is his 3rd year in the L but your putting him up there like he lit the world on fire. He’s not a elite playmaker and honestly, I think his ceiling is 8apg at the most.

He’s not a respectable defender either. He’s a average defender. He also doesn’t get steals. So he is just a average defender.

A perimeter shooter is someone who’s respectable from the perimeter. He is not. I seen both his game this season AND his last two seasons, he gets most his baskets from the slashing ability he possesses. He also doesn’t get to the line alot ( He averaged 3.1 and 4.3 FTA his 1st two seasons)

So I ask again….right now. Other then scoring: How is Rose better then Rondo?

In my opinion, Rose is a better player (not pg) then Rondo. Also he would be the one you build a team around over Rondo because typically your best player has to be able to be a top scoring option which Rose is and Rondo is not. Rondo with a bunch of role players doesn’t seem like they would go far, as he needs scorers around him and I believe Rose would take them a little farther because he can be that go to scorer in big situations. I just don’t see how Rondo could take a team like say the T-Wolves or Suns w/o Nash very far. Rose imo is definitely the better player to build a team around.

In my opinion, Rose is a better player (not pg) then Rondo. Also he would be the one you build a team around over Rondo because typically your best player has to be able to be a top scoring option which Rose is and Rondo is not. Rondo with a bunch of role players doesn’t seem like they would go far, as he needs scorers around him and I believe Rose would take them a little farther because he can be that go to scorer in big situations. I just don’t see how Rondo could take a team like say the T-Wolves or Suns w/o Nash very far. Rose imo is definitely the better player to build a team around.

"For one, my list was a player list as opposed to this being a PG list. I think Rose is a more dominant player than Rondo is. Not a better PG though. Rondo is a better PG than Derrick Rose, but Rose is a more dominant player."

huh?

"For one, my list was a player list as opposed to this being a PG list. I think Rose is a more dominant player than Rondo is. Not a better PG though. Rondo is a better PG than Derrick Rose, but Rose is a more dominant player."

huh?

In my opinion, Rose is a better player (not pg) then Rondo. Also he would be the one you build a team around over Rondo because typically your best player has to be able to be a top scoring option which Rose is and Rondo is not

So you’re saying you’d build around Rose even though in the last 21 years, 2 teams won titles with a point guard as thier best player?
 

In my opinion, Rose is a better player (not pg) then Rondo. Also he would be the one you build a team around over Rondo because typically your best player has to be able to be a top scoring option which Rose is and Rondo is not

So you’re saying you’d build around Rose even though in the last 21 years, 2 teams won titles with a point guard as thier best player?
 

NOT TO MENTION: RONDO WOULD HAVE BEEN FINALS MVP HAD BOSTON WON THE TITLE LAST YEAR.

NOT TO MENTION: RONDO WOULD HAVE BEEN FINALS MVP HAD BOSTON WON THE TITLE LAST YEAR.

No you’re misunderstanding. I’m not saying Rose is a great number option. I wouldn’t want to build my team solely around him, I just think that he is the better option of the two to build a team around.

No you’re misunderstanding. I’m not saying Rose is a great number option. I wouldn’t want to build my team solely around him, I just think that he is the better option of the two to build a team around.

Rose has a above average mid range and i think he is an ok defender… I never liked Rondo but, he is a gamer his swagger on the court and his the uncanny ability to be a dominant player without scoring is what makes him so unique.. Rondo has performed at a championsip level, but Rose has also proven he can take his game up another notch… You can make a logical debate for either player…

Rose has a above average mid range and i think he is an ok defender… I never liked Rondo but, he is a gamer his swagger on the court and his the uncanny ability to be a dominant player without scoring is what makes him so unique.. Rondo has performed at a championsip level, but Rose has also proven he can take his game up another notch… You can make a logical debate for either player…

 somebody has to have a problem with some body in this debate…Is this Rondo/Rose…Rose/Westbrook…Rondo/Westbrook…or a all out slug fest for Best Point Guard…I’ll take a Rondo all day and night…Westbrook is alooking like he’s on a mission and Rose is just so Rosey…..

 somebody has to have a problem with some body in this debate…Is this Rondo/Rose…Rose/Westbrook…Rondo/Westbrook…or a all out slug fest for Best Point Guard…I’ll take a Rondo all day and night…Westbrook is alooking like he’s on a mission and Rose is just so Rosey…..

 Because I’m not sold on that whole 2 man race between D.Will and Paul…I think it’s a 5 guy scrum and 15 other guys that can take it up a notch if they know whats good for them…  

 Because I’m not sold on that whole 2 man race between D.Will and Paul…I think it’s a 5 guy scrum and 15 other guys that can take it up a notch if they know whats good for them…  

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