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  • #22659
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    Amar’e Stoudemire, LeBron James, Chris Bosh and to a lesser extent: Carlos Boozer.  Why did I name those 4 players? All 4 signed with new teams this offseason with the former teams (Phoenix, Cleveland, Toronto and Utah) receiving little to nothing in return. The Denver Nuggets are sitting here with Carmelo Anthony, who said he’s not looking to sign the extension and has been rumored to want to go to either Chicago or New York. Denver is not looking to move him but right now, the writing’s on the wall.

    Denver not only needs to move Carmelo Anthony, Denver needs to move Chauncey Billups and Nene as well. If the front office decides to move Carmelo, you better have a deal in place to move Billups and maybe Nene. Right now, the college and high school ranks are teeming with talent and there are always free agents sitting out there. Denver is not Cleveland, it’s respectable as a free agent destination.  Also, the west is PACKED right now. We have the teams at the top (Los Angeles, Utah, Dallas, Oklahoma City) with the teams more near Denver’s level (Portland, Phoenix, Houston Memphis) and the scrappy teams below them ( Los Angeles Clippers, New Orleans Hornets, Golden State Warriors), this would be a perfect time to look for the rebuild. Not to mention, the idea of the contracts would be scaled back 30% would help them as well.

    The idea for Denver, is to get picks and players back. Carmelo wants to go to Chicago or New York. Chicago potentially offers Loul Deng and James Johnson. The key is Joakim Noah, if he’s in the deal, this should seem like a done deal. New York can offer mostly cap space. Eddy Curry, Danillo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler would be the main pieces going to Denver if a deal is set. Eddy Curry would provide 12 million in cap space, Gallinari would provide a nice piece and Chandler would be the potential 6th man for Denver.

    For Chauncey Billups- I could see Atlanta, Memphis and Charlotte getting involved if he’s on the trading block. Memphis would be a very interesting choice because Memphis can include a Xavier Henry into the deal for Billups. Billups makes alot of sense for Memphis to me.

    The last man, Nene. There is not alot of really good Centers in the NBA. I don’t think Nene could be a power forward but if so, It would interesting to see if a team like Orlando would get him. If not Orlando, New York could go after him if they lose in the Carmelo sweepstakes, Utah needs another big man and Detroit always wants another big man.

     

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  • #422624
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    I don’t know if Utah would be interested in Nene. He would probably be coming off the bench. Don’t think he would be too happy in that role. I think is Sloan committed to use Jefferson as his Center and then Millsap at the 4. I even think that once Memo comes back from rehab, Sloan will use Memo off the bench as a stretch 4. (Although this is only if Jefferson and Millsap come together and actually start playing well and that should happen by the time Memo comes back.)

    As for Detroit, They really could use Nene, and he would start. They probably send either Prince or Rip to Denver for him. 

    Charlotte is a better destination for Billups then Memphis because he will be reunited with Larry Brown, but I don’t think they have the pieces that Denver is looking. So maybe could offer Thabeet and Conley for Billups. 

    Maybe this could be the Starting lineup once Melo, Billups and Nene leave: Conley, Rip, Gallo, Martin, Thabeet. (Although I don’t know how Thabeet would do at starting, he still seems raw. Maybe the Birdman would be a better starter for now.)  

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  • #422631
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    I don’t know if Utah would be interested in Nene. He would probably be coming off the bench. Don’t think he would be too happy in that role. I think is Sloan committed to use Jefferson as his Center and then Millsap at the 4. I even think that once Memo comes back from rehab, Sloan will use Memo off the bench as a stretch 4. (Although this is only if Jefferson and Millsap come together and actually start playing well and that should happen by the time Memo comes back.)

    As for Detroit, They really could use Nene, and he would start. They probably send either Prince or Rip to Denver for him. 

    Charlotte is a better destination for Billups then Memphis because he will be reunited with Larry Brown, but I don’t think they have the pieces that Denver is looking. So maybe could offer Thabeet and Conley for Billups. 

    Maybe this could be the Starting lineup once Melo, Billups and Nene leave: Conley, Rip, Gallo, Martin, Thabeet. (Although I don’t know how Thabeet would do at starting, he still seems raw. Maybe the Birdman would be a better starter for now.)  

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  • #422636
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    Dwill…you really don’t think Okur would come back and start? I think they need the spacing of a shooter like Okur, especially with AK starting. I see them doing more of a maybe 3 big rotation with Okur starting with Jefferson, then Milsap coming in at the 4. Kind of similiar to the Bynum, Gasol, Odom rotation. You end up maximizing the minutes and don’t get exposed for the lack of depth that way.

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  • #422643
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    Dwill…you really don’t think Okur would come back and start? I think they need the spacing of a shooter like Okur, especially with AK starting. I see them doing more of a maybe 3 big rotation with Okur starting with Jefferson, then Milsap coming in at the 4. Kind of similiar to the Bynum, Gasol, Odom rotation. You end up maximizing the minutes and don’t get exposed for the lack of depth that way.

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  • #422658
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    Sacramento would be interesting for Billups because of Billups shooting and.  billups has already shown that he can play with other players that demand the ball a lot like Melo and Hamilton and other in Detroit.  Sacramento is on the rise and Billups vet leadership could advance them to playoff status in a year.  I think Denver should keep Nene and possibly build around him with young player because good big men are hard to find unless they think they can save money and sign a healthy Oden which could be a risk though.  Melo should go to the Knicks because right now they way Noah is playing Chi town is not giving him up. Melo is good but a versatile Center is more important than a small forward no matter how good.

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  • #422665
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    Sacramento would be interesting for Billups because of Billups shooting and.  billups has already shown that he can play with other players that demand the ball a lot like Melo and Hamilton and other in Detroit.  Sacramento is on the rise and Billups vet leadership could advance them to playoff status in a year.  I think Denver should keep Nene and possibly build around him with young player because good big men are hard to find unless they think they can save money and sign a healthy Oden which could be a risk though.  Melo should go to the Knicks because right now they way Noah is playing Chi town is not giving him up. Melo is good but a versatile Center is more important than a small forward no matter how good.

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  • #422786
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    In shelts post he says versatile center is more important then any small forward… no mater how good they are?

    Lebron James

    Carmelo Anothony

    Kevin Durant

    Noah of these guys seems like no brainer to me!!!!

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  • #422788
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    bdoody42
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    In shelts post he says versatile center is more important then any small forward… no mater how good they are?

    Lebron James

    Carmelo Anothony

    Kevin Durant

    Noah of these guys seems like no brainer to me!!!!

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  • #422793
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    bdoody42
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    In shelts post he says versatile center is more important then any small forward… no mater how good they are?

    Lebron James

    Carmelo Anothony

    Kevin Durant

    Noah of these guys seems like no brainer to me!!!!

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  • #422795
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    bdoody42
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    In shelts post he says versatile center is more important then any small forward… no mater how good they are?

    Lebron James

    Carmelo Anothony

    Kevin Durant

    Noah of these guys seems like no brainer to me!!!!

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  • #422815
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    Orlando could use Billups but all Orlando could offer is Anderson and maybe Pietrus.

    Nene to Charlotte would be good but all they have is Henderson to offer and Thomas probably isn’t available.

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  • #422821
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    Orlando could use Billups but all Orlando could offer is Anderson and maybe Pietrus.

    Nene to Charlotte would be good but all they have is Henderson to offer and Thomas probably isn’t available.

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  • #422865
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    i mean noah is a great role player great defender but your talking about a 25 ppg scorer and someone who loves the spotlight and the big moments

    him drose booz wud tear it up

    bull will regret not pulling the trigger on this one

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  • #422870
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    i mean noah is a great role player great defender but your talking about a 25 ppg scorer and someone who loves the spotlight and the big moments

    him drose booz wud tear it up

    bull will regret not pulling the trigger on this one

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  • #422873
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    Maybe adding Nene in the deal with Melo to New York could work out. Turiaf has a Player Option jus like Nene but he makes 1/2 of what Nene is gonna make. New York could send to Denver- Gallo, Chandler, Curry, Turiaf, Fields and a 1st rounder for Anthony, Smith and Nene most would say New York gets over in the deal but the get a lot of pieces in return and they get a lot of CAP relief in the deal plus they lose a headache in Smith they get servicable guys in Gallo, Chandler and Turiaf a project in Fields. They also get out the luxury tax.

    At the end of the day Carmelo wants to be a Knick they can hold out all they want but at the end of day Melo’s gone and they need to start over this a good way to start I’d make the deal if I was Denver sooner rather than later especially to see what players they wanna keep in the deal.

    Nuggets rotation

    C- Turiaf/Andersen

    PF- Martin/Harrington

    SF- Gallinari/Chandler

    SG- Afflalo/Fields

    PG- Billups/Lawson

    Bold-under contract next year

    Knicks rotation

    C- Nene/Mozgov

    PF- Stoudemire/Randolph

    SF- Anthony/Walker

    SG- Azubuike/Smith

    PG- Felton/Douglas

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  • #422878
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    Maybe adding Nene in the deal with Melo to New York could work out. Turiaf has a Player Option jus like Nene but he makes 1/2 of what Nene is gonna make. New York could send to Denver- Gallo, Chandler, Curry, Turiaf, Fields and a 1st rounder for Anthony, Smith and Nene most would say New York gets over in the deal but the get a lot of pieces in return and they get a lot of CAP relief in the deal plus they lose a headache in Smith they get servicable guys in Gallo, Chandler and Turiaf a project in Fields. They also get out the luxury tax.

    At the end of the day Carmelo wants to be a Knick they can hold out all they want but at the end of day Melo’s gone and they need to start over this a good way to start I’d make the deal if I was Denver sooner rather than later especially to see what players they wanna keep in the deal.

    Nuggets rotation

    C- Turiaf/Andersen

    PF- Martin/Harrington

    SF- Gallinari/Chandler

    SG- Afflalo/Fields

    PG- Billups/Lawson

    Bold-under contract next year

    Knicks rotation

    C- Nene/Mozgov

    PF- Stoudemire/Randolph

    SF- Anthony/Walker

    SG- Azubuike/Smith

    PG- Felton/Douglas

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  • #422889
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    I still stand by my statement because in order to disagree you are talking about 2 of the best players in the NBA regardless of position.  Noah is more than a role player.  What does he has to average in order to be something more than a role player seriously.  Also Lebron and Rose would not fit well.  Also if you look at the upcoming drafts there are more star level swingman and small forwards than Centers.  Denver can draft a top small forward or someone serviceable quicker than they could a big man. I like Antony but Noah is perfect for that system in Chi town and he can score now, rebound, block shots, bring energy, and pass pretty well.  It would be hard to give up that kind of production from a Center if you knew you could possibly get a solid to star swingman or small forward in the coming draft.  I still think that if a team has to decide of a in his prime Shaq or Durant or Lebron, most team would take Shaq because good big men are rare.

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  • #422894
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    I still stand by my statement because in order to disagree you are talking about 2 of the best players in the NBA regardless of position.  Noah is more than a role player.  What does he has to average in order to be something more than a role player seriously.  Also Lebron and Rose would not fit well.  Also if you look at the upcoming drafts there are more star level swingman and small forwards than Centers.  Denver can draft a top small forward or someone serviceable quicker than they could a big man. I like Antony but Noah is perfect for that system in Chi town and he can score now, rebound, block shots, bring energy, and pass pretty well.  It would be hard to give up that kind of production from a Center if you knew you could possibly get a solid to star swingman or small forward in the coming draft.  I still think that if a team has to decide of a in his prime Shaq or Durant or Lebron, most team would take Shaq because good big men are rare.

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  • #422901
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    NYCrealdeal
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    never compare noah to shaq ever

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  • #422906
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    NYCrealdeal
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    never compare noah to shaq ever

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  • #422917
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    The Scare Crow Returns
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    The domino effect can be a move to get Sharp shooter Rudy Fernandez from the The Blazers

    Portland needs a shooter like Gallo…Gallo is worth more than Rudy right now and can’t fit in your scheme if you want Melo…Trade Gallanari to Portland for Rudy Fernandez and Portland’s 1st round pick…They just got a Better pick from the Hornets as a fall back and could really use Gallo in their Line-up…I think they’d like Randolph in that role too if he could shoot…With Batum/Gallo or Randolph/Batum combo at the SF spot the Blazers would have a nice sized line up when Batum goes to the Sg spot and Roy slides over…

    Roy-Batum-Gallo or Randolph-LA-Camby or Oden( if he’s here long term )…Miller at the point to start but I can see the Blazers getting a nice PG through moving up in the draft or using Miller and Oden plus picks to nab a Star PG(Paul, Billup, Parker???)

    The Blazers lock up a nice line-up and secure a draft pick likely in the late lottery…That NO pick, Andre’s nicely structured deal and Greg Oden can get the Blazers a Steal…The Spurs and Nuggets would love to make Deal with The Blazers for Vet PG/Expiring deal, Lottery Pick and Greg Oden the former # 1 over all a few years back…Parker in Portland with Roy,Batum,Gallo,Aldridge,Camby and sure to sign Vet’s there after is a Championship Team…The Spurs with Duncan and Oden (if healthy) is a very scary team that I see winning it all…Miller and Manu would be a nasty back court with RJ and Lottery pick SF at the wings…Splitter and Blair backing up the Bigs…

    Ther Knicks get a deadly shooter ( basiclly what they lost in Gallo ) and the 1st rounder they want to add in a Deal for Melo…

    They can still make that Deal…Curry, Randolph, Chandler and 2011 1st Round Picks ( NY and Portland )

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  • #422922
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    The domino effect can be a move to get Sharp shooter Rudy Fernandez from the The Blazers

    Portland needs a shooter like Gallo…Gallo is worth more than Rudy right now and can’t fit in your scheme if you want Melo…Trade Gallanari to Portland for Rudy Fernandez and Portland’s 1st round pick…They just got a Better pick from the Hornets as a fall back and could really use Gallo in their Line-up…I think they’d like Randolph in that role too if he could shoot…With Batum/Gallo or Randolph/Batum combo at the SF spot the Blazers would have a nice sized line up when Batum goes to the Sg spot and Roy slides over…

    Roy-Batum-Gallo or Randolph-LA-Camby or Oden( if he’s here long term )…Miller at the point to start but I can see the Blazers getting a nice PG through moving up in the draft or using Miller and Oden plus picks to nab a Star PG(Paul, Billup, Parker???)

    The Blazers lock up a nice line-up and secure a draft pick likely in the late lottery…That NO pick, Andre’s nicely structured deal and Greg Oden can get the Blazers a Steal…The Spurs and Nuggets would love to make Deal with The Blazers for Vet PG/Expiring deal, Lottery Pick and Greg Oden the former # 1 over all a few years back…Parker in Portland with Roy,Batum,Gallo,Aldridge,Camby and sure to sign Vet’s there after is a Championship Team…The Spurs with Duncan and Oden (if healthy) is a very scary team that I see winning it all…Miller and Manu would be a nasty back court with RJ and Lottery pick SF at the wings…Splitter and Blair backing up the Bigs…

    Ther Knicks get a deadly shooter ( basiclly what they lost in Gallo ) and the 1st rounder they want to add in a Deal for Melo…

    They can still make that Deal…Curry, Randolph, Chandler and 2011 1st Round Picks ( NY and Portland )

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  • #422960
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    sheltwon3
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    I didnt compare Shaq and Noah.  I hate when people see things you never said from your words.  Noah has not played long enough to make a comparison but the thing is he is a versatile big man who fits into Chi town system.  When you are building a team you look to add the right components and make sure if you can to get a legit big man who can play defense and can be a scoring threat at times.  Also it would be nice if he could hit free throws and pass out of double teams.  Noah can do most of that right now but he needs to get stronger to be more of an low post threat but he still gets his points from hustle plays and playing off the ball as well as working the glass.  After this year, Noah will be a top 5 Center is not already.

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  • #422963
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    I didnt compare Shaq and Noah.  I hate when people see things you never said from your words.  Noah has not played long enough to make a comparison but the thing is he is a versatile big man who fits into Chi town system.  When you are building a team you look to add the right components and make sure if you can to get a legit big man who can play defense and can be a scoring threat at times.  Also it would be nice if he could hit free throws and pass out of double teams.  Noah can do most of that right now but he needs to get stronger to be more of an low post threat but he still gets his points from hustle plays and playing off the ball as well as working the glass.  After this year, Noah will be a top 5 Center is not already.

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  • #423000
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    McWinning
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    Noah Isnt all that good.

    Yes he can rebound but, he gets absolutely punked by some big men.

    Dont even mention those two in the same sentence.

    Shaq absolutely dominated every aspect of the game (except shooting).

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  • #423006
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    McWinning
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    Noah Isnt all that good.

    Yes he can rebound but, he gets absolutely punked by some big men.

    Dont even mention those two in the same sentence.

    Shaq absolutely dominated every aspect of the game (except shooting).

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