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  • #21526
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    Brace94
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    Everyone is hyped to see John Wall play in the NBA. But i personally am excited to see Wes Johnson take the Timberwolves to 40 wins this season. I think he has a solid chance to also get R.O.Y. He is a great shooter, decent slasher, good rebounder, good defensive player, and those long arms aren’t gonna hurt him either. But there also is a small chance he could be a huge bust.

    What are your thoughts…

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  • #399998
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    Platypus
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    he will not get the R.O.Y

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  • #400013
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    Platypus
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    he will not get the R.O.Y

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  • #400004
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    jas225
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    he will be in a fight for playing time, a lot of players that can play the 2 and 3 there.
    depends on how the rotation works out and who plays what position. i def dont see rookie of the year though.

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  • #400019
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    jas225
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    he will be in a fight for playing time, a lot of players that can play the 2 and 3 there.
    depends on how the rotation works out and who plays what position. i def dont see rookie of the year though.

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  • #400010
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    His most obvious weakness will kill him in a 1on1 based league like the NBA, he is a good shooter and i believe he will be a good defensive player, but with that said……he showed no type of ball handling ability at Syracuse. He doesnt have to be able to break his man down constantly, but he never even showed a 2 dribble pull-up type of mid range game. He’s just a bigger version of Ellington that plays defense. He will have to have shots created for him by Flynn and Ridnour just to score points unless he’s wide open. I dont think he will even be in the conversation for rookie of the year.

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  • #400025
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    His most obvious weakness will kill him in a 1on1 based league like the NBA, he is a good shooter and i believe he will be a good defensive player, but with that said……he showed no type of ball handling ability at Syracuse. He doesnt have to be able to break his man down constantly, but he never even showed a 2 dribble pull-up type of mid range game. He’s just a bigger version of Ellington that plays defense. He will have to have shots created for him by Flynn and Ridnour just to score points unless he’s wide open. I dont think he will even be in the conversation for rookie of the year.

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  • #400012
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    Platypus
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    he will be fighting Beasley, Webster, Brewer, i see this as there depth

    Flynn – Luke R. – Telfair
    Johnson / Webster – Ellington
    Brewer / Beasley – Hayward
    Love – Beasley – Tolliver
    Darko – Kufos – Pekovic

    But even still, John Wall, Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins, Evan Turner, Greg Monroe (no intereior scoring for pistons but him)

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  • #400027
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    Platypus
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    he will be fighting Beasley, Webster, Brewer, i see this as there depth

    Flynn – Luke R. – Telfair
    Johnson / Webster – Ellington
    Brewer / Beasley – Hayward
    Love – Beasley – Tolliver
    Darko – Kufos – Pekovic

    But even still, John Wall, Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins, Evan Turner, Greg Monroe (no intereior scoring for pistons but him)

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  • #400022
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    janestis308
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    I’m assuming the original poster is a Wolves fan but to expect this team to go from 15 wins to 40 wins is simply unrealistic.

    I think “Symbol” has created an accurate depth chart for the team (you might argue that they traded for Webster to start and that Johnson could play over Brewer at the 3). Either way that’s a 20-25 win team at best.

    To be honest if you look at the West who would you take them over? Golden State i will give you but beyond that? I would rather have NO, Kings, and even the Clippers roster for 2010-11 over the Wolves.

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  • #400037
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    janestis308
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    I’m assuming the original poster is a Wolves fan but to expect this team to go from 15 wins to 40 wins is simply unrealistic.

    I think “Symbol” has created an accurate depth chart for the team (you might argue that they traded for Webster to start and that Johnson could play over Brewer at the 3). Either way that’s a 20-25 win team at best.

    To be honest if you look at the West who would you take them over? Golden State i will give you but beyond that? I would rather have NO, Kings, and even the Clippers roster for 2010-11 over the Wolves.

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  • #400026
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    Platypus
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    thats what the slash (/) is for, means it could be either or…… (-) means behind in depth chart

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  • #400041
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    Platypus
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    thats what the slash (/) is for, means it could be either or…… (-) means behind in depth chart

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  • #400032
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    RickyRubio9
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    40 Wins?
    Dude you’re thinking a bit too optimistic, Especially in the Western Conference & their division with the Jazz, Blazers, & Thunder.

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  • #400047
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    RickyRubio9
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    40 Wins?
    Dude you’re thinking a bit too optimistic, Especially in the Western Conference & their division with the Jazz, Blazers, & Thunder.

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  • #400040
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    stanford hoops

    Brewer nor Wesley will start over beasley

    Wesley good defender? Ummm we don’t know that since the cuse plays man not zone

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  • #400056
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    stanford hoops

    Brewer nor Wesley will start over beasley

    Wesley good defender? Ummm we don’t know that since the cuse plays man not zone

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  • #400049
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    Cardinal_Fan
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    There is nooo way WesJohnson lifts the Wolves to 40 wins……does this look like a guy that can lift a team to 40 wins????? Lmfao http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/487998/tumblr_l4l0w3vczm1qa2j8co1_400.jpg

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  • #400066
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    Cardinal_Fan
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    There is nooo way WesJohnson lifts the Wolves to 40 wins……does this look like a guy that can lift a team to 40 wins????? Lmfao http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/487998/tumblr_l4l0w3vczm1qa2j8co1_400.jpg

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  • #400059
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    Brace94
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    Im not saying that Johnson will take them to 40 wins. but now that we got rid of the guy that shoots 20 shots a game and only getting 17 points. We can get somewhere in the half-court offense. Now that we got some good basketball players (Beasley, Webster, Johnson) and we have a good to great PF in Love, we could get 30-40 wins this season. i know the rest of the division is better but i think they can make statement this season. And stanford hoops; a good defender means he can play good on ball defense…duhhhh!

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  • #400076
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    Brace94
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    Im not saying that Johnson will take them to 40 wins. but now that we got rid of the guy that shoots 20 shots a game and only getting 17 points. We can get somewhere in the half-court offense. Now that we got some good basketball players (Beasley, Webster, Johnson) and we have a good to great PF in Love, we could get 30-40 wins this season. i know the rest of the division is better but i think they can make statement this season. And stanford hoops; a good defender means he can play good on ball defense…duhhhh!

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  • #400062
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    Im Your Father
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    I think Johnson is a good player, but not a very good fit for the t-wolves. In my mind he’s essentially a worse version of Martell Webster and although Webster has been in the league for 5 years they are the same age. I don’t think he’s better than Corey Brewer either. Why do people see him starting over either?

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  • #400078
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    Im Your Father
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    I think Johnson is a good player, but not a very good fit for the t-wolves. In my mind he’s essentially a worse version of Martell Webster and although Webster has been in the league for 5 years they are the same age. I don’t think he’s better than Corey Brewer either. Why do people see him starting over either?

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  • #400093
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    Wes will be a solid role player for that team, but Love and Beasley are going to be the big dogs next year in Minny. I think Love has a legit shot to lead the league in rebounding and without D-Wade I think Beasley is going to drop 18-20 ppg per night. Wes can come in and do a little bit of everything for that team, but he’s gonna take a backseat to the vets and I don’t even think he’ll be all rookie 1st team, but I still think he’ll have a solid year and probably end up on the Rooke 2nd team.

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  • #400110
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    JoeWolf1

    Wes will be a solid role player for that team, but Love and Beasley are going to be the big dogs next year in Minny. I think Love has a legit shot to lead the league in rebounding and without D-Wade I think Beasley is going to drop 18-20 ppg per night. Wes can come in and do a little bit of everything for that team, but he’s gonna take a backseat to the vets and I don’t even think he’ll be all rookie 1st team, but I still think he’ll have a solid year and probably end up on the Rooke 2nd team.

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  • #400103
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    Yeah I expect about 10 ppg and 4 rpg from Johnson next season. He should be an All-Rookie 2nd team guy.

    I think at worst his career will along those same lines, but at best Johnson could be a Danny Granger-type of player. Long shot, I know. But the way Johnson’s career has progressed is eerily similar to Granger’s. He transferred and became an impact player, he has the ability to do some of everything, and he can score by shooting and making plays without the ball. That all sounds like Granger coming out of New Mexico

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  • #400119
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    Yeah I expect about 10 ppg and 4 rpg from Johnson next season. He should be an All-Rookie 2nd team guy.

    I think at worst his career will along those same lines, but at best Johnson could be a Danny Granger-type of player. Long shot, I know. But the way Johnson’s career has progressed is eerily similar to Granger’s. He transferred and became an impact player, he has the ability to do some of everything, and he can score by shooting and making plays without the ball. That all sounds like Granger coming out of New Mexico

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  • #400139
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    NorthernLights666
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    Will start at the 2 and 3 with Wes being the backup for both, Corey won’t get more than 15-20 minutes a game this year. Kahn was trying to trade Corey before the Draft to move up to get an additional Top 20 Pick to move up for Gordon Hayward, but nobody was willing to part with it. They gave Corey a ton of PT last year and a ton of offensive freedom to see what he could do and he put up a PER of 13. His handle is still extremely undeveloped, even more than Wes’. Corey won’t be getting serious PT unless the Wolves have injuries, he will be a high energy, defensive disrupter that can hopefully make open 3s like he did last year. Also, expect him to be traded by the deadline, there’s no way the Wolves retain him past this year, remember he was part of McFail’s teams, how many McFail players are left? He’s going to get paid, obviously if the NBA doesn’t strike, like Trevor Ariza, so what $5M per? The Wolves at this point don’t need a $5M per role player playing 15 minutes a game behind Martell, Wes, and Beasley, they can’t make that type of financial investment on a glue player, he’s more likely to get paid by a veteran/playoff team. Here’s what the minutes will look like next year for the Wolves when fully healthy.

    PG: Flynn – 30 / Ridnour – 18
    SG: Webster – 25 / Johnson – 15 / Brewer – 8
    SF: Beasley – 25 / Johnson – 10 / Brewer – 7 / Webster – 6
    PF: Love – 30 / Beasley – 10 / Tolliver – 8
    C: Darko – 25 / Pekovic – 15 / Tolliver – 8

    Beasley – 35
    Webster – 31
    Love – 30
    Flynn – 30
    Johnson – 25
    Darko – 25
    Ridnour – 18
    Tolliver – 16
    Pekovic – 15
    Brewer – 15

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  • #400124
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    NorthernLights666
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    Will start at the 2 and 3 with Wes being the backup for both, Corey won’t get more than 15-20 minutes a game this year. Kahn was trying to trade Corey before the Draft to move up to get an additional Top 20 Pick to move up for Gordon Hayward, but nobody was willing to part with it. They gave Corey a ton of PT last year and a ton of offensive freedom to see what he could do and he put up a PER of 13. His handle is still extremely undeveloped, even more than Wes’. Corey won’t be getting serious PT unless the Wolves have injuries, he will be a high energy, defensive disrupter that can hopefully make open 3s like he did last year. Also, expect him to be traded by the deadline, there’s no way the Wolves retain him past this year, remember he was part of McFail’s teams, how many McFail players are left? He’s going to get paid, obviously if the NBA doesn’t strike, like Trevor Ariza, so what $5M per? The Wolves at this point don’t need a $5M per role player playing 15 minutes a game behind Martell, Wes, and Beasley, they can’t make that type of financial investment on a glue player, he’s more likely to get paid by a veteran/playoff team. Here’s what the minutes will look like next year for the Wolves when fully healthy.

    PG: Flynn – 30 / Ridnour – 18
    SG: Webster – 25 / Johnson – 15 / Brewer – 8
    SF: Beasley – 25 / Johnson – 10 / Brewer – 7 / Webster – 6
    PF: Love – 30 / Beasley – 10 / Tolliver – 8
    C: Darko – 25 / Pekovic – 15 / Tolliver – 8

    Beasley – 35
    Webster – 31
    Love – 30
    Flynn – 30
    Johnson – 25
    Darko – 25
    Ridnour – 18
    Tolliver – 16
    Pekovic – 15
    Brewer – 15

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  • #400328
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    stanford hoops

    Word is that minny think beasley will be a go to player for them. They beleave he is gonna really fill it up on offense now that he doesn’t have to look over his shoulder every time he messes up
    or have to defer to Wade. When you don’t have that pressure you tend to really thrive look for him to put up 18-22 a game with as many looks as he wants with zero pressure(no one expects the toups to do anything) we all know that’s possible because beaslys offensive game has never been doubted

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  • #400343
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    Word is that minny think beasley will be a go to player for them. They beleave he is gonna really fill it up on offense now that he doesn’t have to look over his shoulder every time he messes up
    or have to defer to Wade. When you don’t have that pressure you tend to really thrive look for him to put up 18-22 a game with as many looks as he wants with zero pressure(no one expects the toups to do anything) we all know that’s possible because beaslys offensive game has never been doubted

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  • #400337
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    A) Corey Brewer had a breakout season and he will start.

    B) You lost me right here-Everyone is hyped to see John Wall play in the NBA. But i personally am excited to see Wes Johnson take the Timberwolves to 40 wins this season.

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  • #400351
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    A) Corey Brewer had a breakout season and he will start.

    B) You lost me right here-Everyone is hyped to see John Wall play in the NBA. But i personally am excited to see Wes Johnson take the Timberwolves to 40 wins this season.

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  • #400681
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    NorthernLights666
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    will not start and did not have a break out season besides developing a consistent 3 point shot when he’s open. He had a PER of 13 on a 15 win team, how is that a breakout season? I suppose for him it was a breakout season, but unfortunately what you saw with Brewer last year is probably all you’re going to get. He still has not developed a handle, not even to an average standard, he’ll never be able to absorb contact, even on the two power dribble pinch post drive, the Wolves played him a lot last year because they quite literally had nobody else. Also, because they wanted to see what kind of player he was and if he should be a part of their long term plans, unfortunately he’ll be a Restricted Free Agent after this season and will probably command much more than the Wolves are willing to offer, especially with a Corey Brewer clone (Lazar Hayward) making most likely 1/4 to 1/5 the money Corey will be making on a contender. I still love Corey, he’s just not a good fit on the Wolves, they’re looking for starters and he isn’t one, he’s a high energy, athletic, pesky defender who can make open 3s, but has absolutely no handle, not even average on the NCAA level. Expect Webster, Beasley, and Johnson to get most of the minutes at the wings and Corey to likely be moved at the Deadline. Remember, Brewer is one of McFail’s guys, how many of those are left now? Two, Corey and Love?

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  • #400694
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    NorthernLights666
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    will not start and did not have a break out season besides developing a consistent 3 point shot when he’s open. He had a PER of 13 on a 15 win team, how is that a breakout season? I suppose for him it was a breakout season, but unfortunately what you saw with Brewer last year is probably all you’re going to get. He still has not developed a handle, not even to an average standard, he’ll never be able to absorb contact, even on the two power dribble pinch post drive, the Wolves played him a lot last year because they quite literally had nobody else. Also, because they wanted to see what kind of player he was and if he should be a part of their long term plans, unfortunately he’ll be a Restricted Free Agent after this season and will probably command much more than the Wolves are willing to offer, especially with a Corey Brewer clone (Lazar Hayward) making most likely 1/4 to 1/5 the money Corey will be making on a contender. I still love Corey, he’s just not a good fit on the Wolves, they’re looking for starters and he isn’t one, he’s a high energy, athletic, pesky defender who can make open 3s, but has absolutely no handle, not even average on the NCAA level. Expect Webster, Beasley, and Johnson to get most of the minutes at the wings and Corey to likely be moved at the Deadline. Remember, Brewer is one of McFail’s guys, how many of those are left now? Two, Corey and Love?

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  • #400701
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    Demarcus Oneal
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    Well the Timberwolves just traded their best player for nothing theyll be lucky to win more games then the Nets did unless Beasley steps up 40 wins is crazy

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  • #400715
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    Demarcus Oneal
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    Well the Timberwolves just traded their best player for nothing theyll be lucky to win more games then the Nets did unless Beasley steps up 40 wins is crazy

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  • #400839
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    If the T-Wolves won 40 games then Kurt Rambis would be clear Coach of the Year. I think they will improve both offensively and defensively this year, with Jefferson gone then Love can show his true scoring ability and Beasley can probably give them 18 to 20ppg. Johnson will improve their perimeter defence and being NBA ready can assume good minutes from day one and Darko gives them legit inside size and could finally fulfill his potential.

    But with Flynn out for a while and the roster needing to sort out it’s playing time as discussed above then anything over 25 wins will be a big achievement. Johnson will become a very good roll player from day one but I don’t see him being ROY although he could challenge for the all rookie team given the minutes he might play.

    The T-Wolves probably need Rubio to get them above 30 wins per season unless all their players suddenly start playing like their draft pick positions.

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  • #400852
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    If the T-Wolves won 40 games then Kurt Rambis would be clear Coach of the Year. I think they will improve both offensively and defensively this year, with Jefferson gone then Love can show his true scoring ability and Beasley can probably give them 18 to 20ppg. Johnson will improve their perimeter defence and being NBA ready can assume good minutes from day one and Darko gives them legit inside size and could finally fulfill his potential.

    But with Flynn out for a while and the roster needing to sort out it’s playing time as discussed above then anything over 25 wins will be a big achievement. Johnson will become a very good roll player from day one but I don’t see him being ROY although he could challenge for the all rookie team given the minutes he might play.

    The T-Wolves probably need Rubio to get them above 30 wins per season unless all their players suddenly start playing like their draft pick positions.

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  • #400847
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    NorthernLights666
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    was not their best player last year, it was Love, Jefferson had better scoring numbers, but when Love was getting meaningful minutes his PER was Top 10 in the League, something like a 23 or 24, I believe he ended the season with a PER of something like 22. Jefferson plays no D, hogs the ball to get his own shot, stagnates ball movement, and can’t pass, something the Ball Movement/Triangle offense requires. The Jazz just got the post version of Kevin Martin for an additional $4M per year, enjoy, we were glad to see him leave MN and not have to take any contracts back.

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  • #400860
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    was not their best player last year, it was Love, Jefferson had better scoring numbers, but when Love was getting meaningful minutes his PER was Top 10 in the League, something like a 23 or 24, I believe he ended the season with a PER of something like 22. Jefferson plays no D, hogs the ball to get his own shot, stagnates ball movement, and can’t pass, something the Ball Movement/Triangle offense requires. The Jazz just got the post version of Kevin Martin for an additional $4M per year, enjoy, we were glad to see him leave MN and not have to take any contracts back.

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