Does Nash and Amare get a pass?

2 MVP’s, probably the best flashy passer since Magic? I think he is a HOF.

NO BRAINER….. nash 100 % deserved his 1st mvp…. i could argue he did not deserve his 2nd one, but Tms always try to play a gm that best fits their pesonnell…. HOF – NO DOUBT

wouldnt u want to run a system that is the of the product you are putting on the court??? common sense would say yes..

you make it sound like others do not benefit from playing in a system that benefits them..

he hasnt? which tms were nash on in his prime where he did not dominate? from 2000-2001 to CURRENT 2010…. hes been a force to be reckoned with..nash came into the lg in 1996… Now im assuming you have followed his career.he played 2 yrs in phoenix, and 2 yrs in dallas before beginning to dominate in dallas… so it took him 4 yrs to dominate.. who was he behind in phoenix? So him dominating in dallas / and what hes been doing in phienix for the last 9-10 yrs doesnt qualify to succeeding in any program? hes only been with a total of 2 teams throughout his career..

lets keep in mind Nash wasnt a starter immediately.. kind of tough to be a superstar playing behind KJ (kevin johnson as a rookie)…KJ averaged 20 ppg that yr…if my memory is working right jason kidd was also on that tm for a little..

So to enlighten me.. Other then when nash played behind all star KJ, and future HOF’er kidd… when did he not dominate???? no further questions your honor..

I definitely think nash was deserving of his first MVP award. The second one could definitely be subject to skepticism but he did have great numbers that were either similar or better than the season before when he won the MVP award. I think those 2 seasons and his steady stellar play will solidify him as an HOFer although it could be somewhat arguable but because of his name and stats he’ll probably get in. Amare i totally agree on. Just about 80% of amare’s best highlights are dunks and they are all passes dropped off from nash to him. Unless amare plays with a top tier PG which i doubt he will depending where he goes in free agency he wont do nearly as well and he’ll become the next elton brand in the sense that he had good seasons, signs with another team to a lucrative contract and because the style of play isnt suited for him he won’t produce nearly as well. He’ll be able to get points because he has developed a pretty good mid range jumper and he’s still athletic as can be so he’ll get his but he won’t be the player he is/was in phoenix. And yes they get passes definitely. I mean nash never really had the physical tools to be a solid NBA defender anyway. He does draw a good amount of charges and he puts out effort (sometimes) on defense which is what counts. Amare however could be up there with dwight if he put his mind to it defensively and he just never does. I don’t know how many blocks he averages a game but i know he only averages 9 reb and i know thats a good number but with his tools if he set his mind to it he could dominate the paint defensively and average 12-13 boards a game. He just exerts all his effort on offense and when he moves if he moves his lack of defense will be more on display

Nash had some good years in Dallas as well and if you go back in time a lot of HOF did not play much defense or do all the things you want Nash to do. I am not sold on Amare being a HOF though.

nash is a hall of famer and rightfully so. I have some gripes about him. In dallas he was a borderline all-star (think tony parker or caron butler) meaning he was always up for consideration but was not a hands down no doubt about it all-star. He then went back to phoenix and won mvp on a team that perfectly fit his style and was loaded with talent (joe johnson, shawn marion in his prime, amare, and a very good quentin richardson). I thought his mvp was undeserved. I also thought his second mvp was undeserved and should have gone to kobe.

WIth that being said, nash has truly earned my respect as one of the best players in this game. He has continued to play at a high pace and he makes great decisions with the ball and he is still a top 3 pg in my book. He should have won the mvp when they gave it to dirk.

Nash will without question be in the hall of fame.

I’m with my man Westbrook… Steve Nash didn’t deserve either MVP especially averaging 15 points and 10 assists the first year… Then he went up to 20 points and 11 assists the second year, so they had no other choice but to give it to him. BUT that system inflates numbers, EVERY player that went to that system (unless you were a slow big man ie Shaq n Curry) production increased. Nash was a role player when he played with Dallas, not this “Superstar” he is now. Stop drinking the juice. If Nash stayed with Dallas he would NOT be a Hall-of-Famer at all… But since he’s in a system that allows him to play unconventional basketball he’s doing well. Its no way (I’m sorry not racial) a slow white man get BETTER at 33 and dominate the PG position. ESPECIALLY if he wasn’t already a damn Superstar. That’s ridiculous. Amare is a beast OFFENSIVELY, but its just that. He’s in a system that inflates numbers too, but his stats could look wayyyyy better than that if he applied himself. Its no way you play a style where teams jack up the most shots a game and you come out with 8 rebounds. Barkley already covered Amare lack of desire for winning.

Like it or not LeBron’s stats are the same way. The Cavs played in that same offense Spread n Pick’Roll… The problem is if you can collapse and reach the shooters to get a hand up its a WRAP!!!… You live and die by the 3… To win Championships you need to play D and control the glass. The Suns finally came to the realization last year, but Amare wasn’t consistent enough on the glass. Cavs and Orlando understood this, BUT Boston was able to collapse on make it out to the shooters. You need an half court game, none of the teams I named does well in the half court that’s why they NEVER and WILL NEVER win a Championship until they understand that…

LeBron NEEDS a half-court game BAD… Unless that Big 3 happens, I don’t see LeBron winning a title anytime soon with him and D.Rose or whoever he decide to team up with.

That Suns system has Channing Frye thinking he deserves the full Mid Level Exception…

Nash is a very good point guard… You can’t deny his shooting, passing ability and handle… However, I think the system has him overrated.

I don’t know how he can be great at what everyone knows hes good at, bad at what hes bad at, and people still say he’s overrated. Given that he still las life in his legs (seriously, his conditioning is some of the best in the NBA) he hasn’t finished his resume. But he’s a HoFamer in my book.

As for the Lebron comment tuck, I have to disagree with what you said. Their half court offense WAS Lebron. It was Lebron initiate and finish and far too many plays, and had no other real shot creator on the team. With a Rose who can start and finish plays, you would have the most devastating fastbreaking, and halfcourt two man game since Jordan and Pippen. Who’s who remains to be seen, if it were to happen.

Most of you have no clue besides microwave and Mkadoza. You dont watch him everyday here in phoenix. Without him, the suns arent a playoff team. Say all you want about dragic and how good he can be, Nash is the machine that makes every team hes been on go. hes a leader out there, he makes magical passes, best shooting touch in the nba, 95% from free throw line, 50%+ from the field, and 40%+ from 3. Yea you cant argue that. As for his MVP years, he deserved them both, especially the first one. Nash is also one of the most clutch shooters in the NBA. I cant even remeber how many go ahead and game tying shots he hit, or even momentum changing shots on the road to make the crowds shut the hell up. He is an ABSOLUTE HOF player. No doubt. As for Amare, hes a beast, and you guys are ripping on him for being more athletic than his defenders and scoring his points that way. Sad, sad, sad argument, as long as he averages at least 23 and 8.5, shut the hell up. You have no idea what you are talking about. Oh and btw, his midrange game is becoming a huge weapon too, just thought i should let you know..

Concerning Amar’e: I agree with you completely on Amar’e. He definitely does have the tools to be a dependable, athletic defender. At the least, he could average 2blks on his athletic ability alone. IMO, blocks don’t equate into good defense, but blocks would spark a lot of things the Suns like to do on the offensive side. Occasionally, he does show up to games on the defensive side. I somewhat disagree with you about Amar’e not being able to be productive if he leaves. He did score 20.6 points WITHOUT Nash in his sophomore year, so that says a lot. If Amar’e happens to go to Miami, I’m sure Pat Riley, as the coach, would get him to play defense or improve, at the least. Pat Riley wouldn’t put up with Amar’e not using his full potential, and that is why I’d love him to see him go there. We’d probably see the best all around Amar’e we’ve seen if this does happen.

In his sophomore year he had a still very good Stephon Marbury. Like I was saying I think it’ll have alot to do with where he lands. If he goes anywhere where he doesn’t gave a dynamic pg or a wing guy that draws alot
of attention then I think his production will go down.

as long as he gets his touches he will continue to give you at least 22 or 23. Remeber when nash was out against okc this year, Amare got 35 and 13. It really isnt as big a factor as you think it is.

If you actually watch Steve Nash play night in and night out, you can tell he is one of the most skilled players of all time, and is truly amazing at what he does. One of the greatest passers and shooters ever, his vision is off the charts. HOF for sure.

if you want to rip amare for his rebounding and defense thats fine, but the man can score 25 any night with any point guard. he can post up, face up, hit the midrange shot and hits his free throws very well.

exactly. I wish people knew what they were talking about before they just post stupid crap. Amare is a beast scorer and i actually think he deserves the max. If you get him going……the league has no chance to defend him.

i know, phoenix is my team and amare is my favorite player and i hate it when i see him with 24 and 7 but he is who he is and i dont want him to leave but if he does i want to see him as a bull. but you cant question his scoring ability, i mean nash will give him the ball in the post and he will face up and beat his man with his insane first step. he scores because of his athleticism but you cant knock him for that because so do lebron, wade, kobe, etc. they all score because they are more athletic than their opponent.

exactly right. Amare has the capapbility to put up 27 or 28 every night in my opinion. he just so much quicker than his defender because hes the most athletic 6’10 guy out there. Granted nash feeds him the pretty passes with clear routes to the rim, but that faceup jumper he has developed has made him even more dangerous, cuz now he has more options. His freethrow shooting is also damn near 80%. I admit he has the potential to get more rebounds, but I think he is just fine the way he is and he can take over any game. he rarely has bad shooting night and he is a spectacular finisher.

Lamar Odom….

what about him?