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  • #17378
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    JazzinSLC
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    Having the highest payroll in the league certainly doesn’t hurt your odds of winning the title. I believe Boston had the second highest payroll behind the Lakers. If your franchise can afford to pay out close to or over 90 million per season in payroll…you should win a title, or be in the finals. That’s one thing about the NBA I despise. Some teams just have their backs to the wall before they play a single game, knowing they can’t spend the money necessary to assure themselves a legitimate shot at winning a title. There really should be a cap on the maximum a team can spend to even out the playing field a little bit more. Over half the teams in the league literally have ZERO chance of ever winning a title because they just can’t afford to spend the kind of money teams like the Lakers can. On top of that, you have the best player in the game today, and you’ve almost got it locked up from the beginning. Oh sure…maybe 3 or 4 other teams have a “chance” but beyond that, it’s a pretty bleak for everyone else.

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  • #334953
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    Money helps , but it isnt the end all and be all. Look at the Knicks payroll they have the forth highest and didnt come close to the playoffs. The Mavs didnt get out of the second round and they have the third highest

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  • #334958
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    No less then 60mill but no more then 80mill it would even the playing field a little bit. A team could maybe afford 3 upper tier players at best, and then they would have to fill out their roster with lesser talent. Take one player away from the Celtics “big 4” or take one top five player away from the Lakers (either Artest, Odom, or Bynum) and all of a sudden, that gap closes significantly between let’s say the top four team in the league, and the next group of about 8 teams. It would increase the odds of having more parody, and actually give more franchises a legitimate shot at competing for a title. As it is now, it what team can afford to spend the most, to acquire the most talent.

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  • #334962
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    JazzinSLC
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    Isiah Thomas fucked up things there so bad…and let’s face it, money really does grow on trees in New York. Good point about Dallas though. They did get to the finals once though, but I will give you them as an exception. Good call. All I’m saying is that the league is a bit to predictable in who will win, and team payrolls play a big part in that. I would like to see a league where every season, as least a dozen teams have a hell of a shot at getting a ring. Right now, seriously, it’s like a handful at most. I mean…why even have the other 20 teams…lol. If you know what I mean.

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  • #334965
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    Jeff, Mark, and the other commentator didn’t even complain or point out the foul differential it wasn’t even close to the 02 playoffs when Bill Walton said the kings were getting ripped

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  • #334968
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    JazzinSLC
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    Have a better chance (odds) of winning a lottery jackpot at your local 7/11 then winning an NBA title.

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  • #334972
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    fliptonn
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    jazzin how is that any different than any other league? lol you need to spend money to win games because you need the best players. yankees, red sox, real madrid, and barcelona. thats how sports work. you need to win to get money though.

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  • #334974
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    jazzin how is that any different than any other league? lol you need to spend money to win games because you need the best players. yankees, red sox, real madrid, and barcelona. thats how sports work. you need to win to get money though.

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  • #334975
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    NY has a high payroll cause they took on every expiring contract they could. DOY! Mavs didn’t get out of the second round because the trade was a mid-season trade and teams need more time to gel. While money of course isn’t the “end all be all” that someone said. It makes it a hell of a lot easier to win. Of course, the Lakers get credit for spending their money wisely but at the end of the day when you can go over the cap into Luxury tax as much as L.A. you’re in a very advantageous position.

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  • #334977
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    sheltwon3
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    Lakers had the same people pretty much from their title run. Team chemistry is key as well. Also Lakers had to pay to keep their players. There are team over the cap that are not winning. I would rather if you did pay it was for quality player and not scrubs who put up good numbers on bad teams.

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  • #334982
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    JazzinSLC
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    In what is now a 30 team league, win over 30 championships between them…then what that tells me is you don’t have a very even playing field. I’m not a Laker fan, but if I was, and I knew my team had the highest payroll, AND the leagues best player, I would EXPECT them to win the title. I would be shocked, and very disappointed if they didn’t There seems to be more parody in the NFL. I just thinking something needs to happen in the NBA, to give more franchises an opportunity to at least have a legitimate opportunity to win a title. The Lakers are a good organization, that makes good decisions, but the difference is, if they make a mistake, it doesn’t cripple them like some other teams. They just cut their losses, and go spend in another direction. Sorry…the Finals just pissed me off. Same old song and dance.

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  • #334986
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    DaGuywhodidurma
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    even if all the teams had the resources to spend as much as the lakers and celtics why would any free agent choose memphis,toronto, even cleveland over LA and boston. players go to these cities because they want to be part of theyr great history. do you think lebron will sing in minnesota or with the clippers this summer?they have money to spend, but he wont sign there because he wants to go to a big city. even if all the teams had the same money tere are only a handful of players worth the money. not every team can sign a great free agent there just arent that many great players.

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  • #334987
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    OhCanada-
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    New CBA coming soon

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  • #334988
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    toronto is a big city

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  • #334995
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    torontoraptors10
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    Toronto is one of the biggest cities in North America. We have 5 million people and its pretty much a smaller New York.

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  • #334998
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    JazzinSLC
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    Love to take a trip there sometime. My point is, that if there was a concrete cap on how much each team had to spend, and could spend, then even if every player wanted to go play for the Lakers, it wouldn’t be financially possible. Some very talented guys would have no choice but to spread out and fill the rosters of all the other teams. I just want the league to be more balanced, and if it was, it would make for a much more exciting product to watch. I’d love to see fans in Memphis, or Charlotte or wherever else, feel like their team was REALLY in the mix, and could control their own destiny to some extent. If your not really in a position to control your own destiny, then your right, you might as well just have a 10 team league (all in major cities). That’s close to how it feels now…at least to me.

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  • #335056
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    A concrete cap would not be good for the league. The revenue generating abilities of the Lakers, Knicks, and Bulls are able to make double that of Milwaukee and Memphis. This is not the NFL where the bulk of the revenues (broadcasting money) are split evenly because not every game is on national tv. The big markets have boat loads of cash, and many of the small markets struggle when they don’t have winners that fill the stadium. The soft cap and tax acts as a secondary stream of revenue sharing from the big to small markets. Going to a hard cap would simple guarantee profits for the rich teams and lower the overall level of spending. You’d have what the NFL has where the Redskins can make hundreds of millions in profit because the revenues they get from the gate dwarf almost everyone else. Up until this past year, they were restricted to how much they could spend on players. Their revenues would indicate that they could spend significantly more than the cap, but because they can’t Dan Snyder simply pockets the cash. The NBA should want to avoid this, but not be so free market that it results in an EPL or MLB model where Chelsea/ManU/New York/Boston are able to simply buy anyone and everyone. The soft cap affords the big revenue teams to spend more (sometimes effectively, sometimes not) but the additional money gets recirculated in the system because of the tax. It stinks for small market teams when the Lakers can buy Pau Gasol, but remember that the best player on that team was essentially drafted by the Lakers. Pierce, Rondo, Perkins, and Davis were drafted by the Celtics. It isn’t like these were teams of All-Star mercenaries. The league should want to avoid that, but at the same time I think the hard cap would just be awful for the product.

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  • #335103
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    LOL…I see a hater named JazzinSLC.

    They don’t have the highest payroll. There the most over the cap. They added Ron Artest for the MLE. That’s it. They were pretty much a grown team here.

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  • #335144
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    JazzinSLC
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    For a song. You really don’t get tired of seeing two teams win over 30 titles between them? That’s just absurd!! It means there isn’t even close to a level playing field in the league. Why do half the teams even bother existing? Like I said…the Lakers bought a title. They were able to spend the most, and they did.

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  • #335147
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    How did they steal it? It’s not LA’s fault they got Gasol for pretty much Gasol and a 1st round pick.

    Resigning Odom under salary cap rules? They bought that?

    Adding Artest for the MLE? They cheated and bought that?

    Yea, sounds like a fan who got beaten by LA.

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  • #335701
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    stanford hoops

    jazz no one tells the owners no to go over the Capp they just decide not to so who’s fault is that? Obviously you’re the minority as far as being tired of seeing two teams win 30titles since man people still watch. If you’re truely tired of it then stop watching.

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  • #335776
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    JazzinSLC
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    Most owners don’t have the money to spend as much as the Lakers or Celtics, even if they wanted to. I know i’m definitely not the only NBA fan who is tired of the Celtics and Lakers winning title after title. There are countless thousands of fans of each of the 28 other teams who feel exactly the same way.

    If your not a Lakers or Celtics fans it really does suck…big time.

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  • #335781
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    “Most owners don’t have the money to spend as much as the Lakers or Celtics, even if they wanted to.”

    Yea they do, they are cheap if they don’t. All NBA Owners are Billionaires. Most GM want to win but Owners want to keep money at the same time. Teams like Boston, New York, Dallas and Los Angeles pay whatever the price is to win. I cannot fault those teams at all.

    Donald Sterling is a perfect example

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