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  • #17262
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    SpencerIsHawesome2
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    I read through this forum and see numerous posts discussing possible trades with the Kings… I don’t think I’ve seen any even remotely realistic or that the Kings would consider.

    For example: #5 overall, Noc for #7 overall Tayshaun
    Why would we do this? Yeah we get rid of Noc but drop 2 picks and get a guy who still deserves big minutes that we should not be giving him–We get Prince it stunts Casspi and Greene’s growth–And also drop down 2 picks potentially passing on Cousins.

    Another example: Hedo Turkoglu for Nocioni + a sweetener
    WE are taking on the bigger contract–the sweetener comes to us, not them.

    3rd example: #5 overall for Iggy
    Come on…. seriously?

    The Kings are not very good right now–but come on they have some brains.

    I don’t expect any big deals coming from Sactown this off-season–although I wouldnt be surrpised if one did go down….. Expect them to keep their pick at 5 if Cousins is there.

    I have a feeling a Nocioni deal will be much less dramatic than people think, though.

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  • #333343
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    boffacheerios
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    dude, i’m a kings fan too. WE SUCK ASS AT MAKING TRADES. i don’t think i’ve ever actually een excited after hearing trades the kings made just because it seems like we consitently are the losers. On the flip side we have one of the best drafting GMs in the league. So that said, i agree that the noc deal, when t happens, will hopefully be far less dramatic then anticipated. Another thing to think about is how many rumors about Kings trades have actually happened anything outside of a day before? maybe 1 with the artest peja trade, so don’t believe anything you read.

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  • #333344
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    Word, I heard nothing but BS from these people about Sacramento. I think they stay at 5, Draft Greg Monroe and built the team up.

    Adding Hedo or Prince only hurts them.

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  • #333345
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    Stojakovicfor3
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    If the kings pistons trade goes through, Donte Greene would be a part of the trade so it would only be stunting Casspi’s growth. I do agree with you when you say the Kings shouldn’t do it though.

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  • #333349
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    the microwave
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    whats the matter LOL… Not a fan of Kenny Thomas, and Corliss WIlliamson past acquistions.. You guys have a master GM LMFAO LMFAO….. Sacramento its gonna be awhile..

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  • #333355
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    juves4783
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    i would think the first rumor is realistic (since i posted it off espn insider). here’s the reasons.
    for one, you get prince with 1 year left on his contract. that would give you $10.3 M next year. keeping nocioni, you will have to pay him $15 M over the next 2 years.
    for two, it doesn’t really stunt casspri’s growth for the same reason nocioni wouldn’t. the kings don’t play him or buy prince out.
    for three, if they are looking for a frontcourt player; this is the draft to do that. even if monroe, favors and cousins are gone by 7; you still have aldrich, davis, and udoh. or dropping to 7, they can get henry to solidify a backcourt partner to evans.

    the second trade would suck for the kings. turko’s age and contract are both negatives.

    the third trade, i’ve never even heard of. that sounds like someone made it up.

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  • #333359
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    sheltwon3
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    The Prince trade is not that bad if Cousins falls to 5 because you can probably still get Monroe at 7 and have Prince who is a solid sf when healthy. He only has a year left on his contract so I doubt it stunts anyone’s growth. Nocionni is a contract they need to get rid of. Kings could possibly have enough money next year to sign a max guy like Melo who would have a better chance to win with the King after this year than Denver.

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  • #333361
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    SpencerIsHawesome2
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    No chance we give up Greene to Detroit in that deal. Just plain dumb. And you don’t trade for a guy like Prince to keep him on the bench–nor do I think the Pistons would trade him to Sacramento for us to keep him on the bench.. Yeah loyalty is scarce in the league sometimes but you don’t throw a guy who helped you win the championship to the dogs.

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  • #333364
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    boffacheerios
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    and its not like his salary is coming off our books and giving us relief. as soon as prince is on the team he adds around 5 million that we didn’t even have at all before.

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  • #333369
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    mwardia
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    im not really sure how prince on sac wood stunt the growth of casspi, does tayshaun require 20 shots a game or sumtin?
    if anything prince can help out casspi

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  • #333373
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    kanebanger
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    qq

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  • #333386
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    juves4783
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    well i guess going after lebron james is out of the question for the kings. wouldn’t want to STUNT donta greene and omri casspri’s growth. maybe that’s why the kings suck.

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  • #333391
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    mwardia
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    hahahhahaha ^^^^^^

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  • #333403
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    SpencerIsHawesome2
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    hahahahahahha you are so funny!!!! Young Lebron long-term and Old Tayshaun for 1 year are completely comparable!!!! OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

    by the way, who the fuxk is donta greene? learn some nba players names before takin shots

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  • #333406
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    SpencerIsHawesome2
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    Tayshaun and Casspi both only play SF… Tayshaun doesn’t require 20 shots a game but he would require at least 30 minutes.. Leaving Casspi with relatively few minutes.

    How does Casspi coming off the bench playing limited minutes benefit him? I understand the veteran leadership would help some but him actually playing, in my opinion, would very much outweigh the presence of a veteran.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love Prince he is actually one of my favorite players… Just not gonna happen.

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  • #333440
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    piratejp
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    Maybe they should see if Pritchard would come in and manage trades and strategic planning for the draft, leaving Petrie to concentrate on player evaluation, the thing he does well. They need to do something in that regard, because they are horrible in terms of maximizing pick value and making deals without getting completely hosed.

    This was tongue-in-cheek BTW for all of you who are inclined to tell me how this will never happen – I was just making the point that player evaluation is only part of the formula, and that Petrie has a real strategic weak spot.

    But I do agree that no matter how bad he is strategically, he’s not a drooling moron who will make most of the deals people attribute to the Kings. I can’t remember how many times I had to tell people last year that the Kings weren’t trading both Hawes and Thompson to move up one spot to take Rubio; and then a few days before the draft that they might not even take Rubio if he fell to them and Evans was on the board. Guess how many negative points I got for those posts from all the “experts” out there?

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  • #333473
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    The Scare Crow Returns
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    Would you seriously turn down Iggy for the 5th Pick…Iggy’s better than Wes/Monroe or Aminu…And he’s even better than Cousins….U wouldn’t take the All Around Great Player Iggy is for the 5th pick…even if its Cousins…I’d only make the move from a salary dumping/let me get Cousins in fell swoop angle…Don’t thinks its bad for the Kings…Casspi and Greene are Backups….Not starters….they have to get way better to start and be respectable players…Iggy would start on 100 % of the teams in the NBA…Teams that have goof SF’s would just play him at SG…you are a Re- Tard my friend if you think the 5th guy selected is better or will be better than Iggy….Why is that not a fair deal…frankly I’d want Thompson or Hawes to come too…Evans and Iggy would be a good backcourt or Sg Sf Combo…

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  • #333533
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    the I in win
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    I think people don’t want to do Iggy for the 5th because it would screw up Mento’s money and Iggy doesn’t fill the biggest need for the Kings. They need a big center who can clog up the middle and Cousins could do that for about 2 million a year for the next 4 years.

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  • #333549
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    pantherbball14
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    no one wants to play for the kings. They arent any good and dont show any signs of bein good any time soon. They wont get a free agent worth anything so their best option is to improve through the draft or a trade. Even if it seems like a bad trade rumor they might consider it because they have to try to shake things up a bit and bring in some new blood to try to improve. They arent retarted but must consider any option at the moment

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  • #333550
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    piratejp
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    Well put (The I in Win).

    Plus, the Kings aren’t trying to win now – they’re gearing up to start their run in 2-3 years if things go well. Cousins could be a huge piece of that, Iggy likely wouldn’t be.

    There are at least a couple more drafts and free agent classes before everything needs to be in place – #5 for Iggy right now makes zero sense for what the Kings are trying to do. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a nice player – it’s just a bad fit at too high a price.

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