Jennings vs. Evans

Great game.

What happened to Evans? He hasn’t played either OT periods.

Jennings is 8-13 from 3 and 3-13 from 2. If his 3 isn’t falling he is in trouble. He needs to put on some weight so he can attack the rim better.

He got a concussion.

you know who is better than both?

TONEY DOUGLAS

Im still peeved about the no call when Jennings traveled late in the fourth and then passed to Salmons who hit a three…

Evans really struggled tonight to get into his offense with Salmons guarding him and Bogut guarding the rim, powerful one two punch.

Another Toney Douglas lover trying to get love for him.. Toney Douglas is good but he’s not even near the level of Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans.

i was obviously kidding tyreke evans is 438735 times better than toney. But I still don’t really like Jennings even though he had a monster game.

Jennings is the most overrated player in the NBA right now. Poor man’s Iverson, got crazy hype for a hot start because people didn’t have scouting reports on him and the past two months has been shooting 30 percent. Sort of reminds me of a point guard version of Al Harrington.
As for Tyreke I was really hoping he would fall to the Knicks on draft night because he can easily be a franchise player one day.

Yeah, he takes difficult shots but hey, taking difficult shots early in your career just means that you’re going to do one of 2 things..

1: Take better shots later in your career… (E.X.) Chauncey Billups shot about 37% for his first 2 seasons before he started taking better shots..

OR

2: You get better at taking difficult shots… (E.X.) Allen Iverson.. in his prime, he could take ANY shot he wanted and make it drop..

So as you can see, Brandon can do one of the 2.. That’s what your rookie year is for… Getting prepared for the rest of your career.

he’s actually shooting 41% for the month of March.. Not 30%

and a poor man’s Allen Iverson is still DAMN good.. AI averaged about 30-7 in him prime.. So a poor man’s A.I. is about 23-5.. and that’s still DAMN good.

To shoot 32 percent one month and then 30 the next month is unheard of in the NBA I don’t care if you are a rookie or not.
Billups only had one month like that and that was the first month of his career and he only took 76 shots so that doesn’t really count.
Iverson also never shot so atrociously. Plus Iverson averaged 23.5 and 7.5 his rookie year so I wouldn’t really compare the two.
If you remove Jenning’s first month his numbers are VERY unimpressive. How come he gets that rookie excuse while there are 30 other rookies shooting better than him right now.

I don’t know just my opinion i’m not very impressed and really think Bogut and the addition of Salmons are the reason the Bucks are playing so well right now.

Ok lets get down to Chauncey Billups facts here..

Here we go.. write them down..

1st year: 34% Shooting.. Shot over 10 shots a game.
2nd year: 39%, shot over 10 shots a game
3rd year: 38%, shot over 10shots a game
4th year: !!!!33%!!!! shot over 10 shots a game..

That’s 4 years!! We’re not talking about a month with a bad stretch. or a season with bad shooting.. That’s 4 years.. an entire Presidential term.. your entire high school life… Check mate.

to shoot 38% one year and shoot 33% the other is unprecedented in the NBA and you know what? Billups is an NBA Champion, Finals MVP, and a mulitple time all-star

Pff… billups had 1 month in his first year where he shot badly.. pff… more like 4 years..

And how is it a coincidence that Bogut is having the best year of his career now that Brandon Jennings is on that team? Maybe it is a coincidence.. But Salmons is having one of the best month of his career now that’s he’s playing with Brandon aswell.. That’s not coincidence anymore.

you messed up so no check mate budddd
see his first year he was traded and shot 35% with a new team for 29 games
the next year he shot 39%
and his THIRD year was actually 13 games where he started 5 and took 7 shots per game. so thats really like 90-100 shots, something jennings shoots in about 2 weeks.
plus chauncey was a CRAZY under achiever and a journeyman for man years, no hype around him what so ever. He is just a rare case of an unappreciated guy who stepped it up. You are acting like its some kind of formula for bad shooting PGs because you found one case. It took Chauncey 5-6 years to find a team where he fit and was given the kind of control Jennings already has, and just because he did it doesn’t mean you assume Jennings will, thats just silly on your part.

you notice how when Jenning’s production went down is when they started winning?
or that they have been on a tear since they got John Salmons?

or that he averaged 10 and 5, shooting 30 percent when they went 10-4 in February?

You sure hes the one carrying this team to the playoffs because I highly doubt it. Are you saying had the bucks gotten Evans or Curry or even Collison they would not be a playoff team in the East? Really?!!

part of the reason jennings percentages are so low is because he has to take shots. The team doesn’t have a first option but is looking for jennings to be that guy. when they shot clock runs down to about 6 they give it to jennings and he tries to get a shot up.

since they traded for salmons, he doesn’t have to take all these shots but he still has to take a few.

also someone made the point above that bogut has had his best year and salmons has been amazing since playing with jennings. sure he was good when he first got to chicago but that was when nobody thought he was good.

Salmons did the same exact thing for the Bulls last year.
As for Bogut he didn’t make a CRAZY leap from a scrub he was already on his way to being a decent big man. Big men take some time to reach their full potential.
Im not saying Jennings has nothing to do with it, of course he does. He is a true point who feeds him the ball something Bogut never had. He played with a back up before that and shooting guard pg in mo williams in the early stage of his career. Not saying hes not a decent point guard, he is most definitely a starter in this league, just VERY overrated.

please look up Salmons numbers last year and compare them to him on the Bucks, he was actually better last year.

i think Paul Pierce is more overrated, actually the big three are overrated. Rondo is the best on the team.

Yeah it took Jennings 1 year to find a team.. He didn’t just find a team that needed a PG becaues they didn’t need a PG, they had Session and Ridnour and they pushed them both out of the way for him.. And just like white said, he turned Bogut from a draft bust to maybe the 3 or 4 best center in the league.. He turned a lottery team into a complete playoff contender that can win a series.

Billups shot less than 40% 6 times in his career and is still a 5x allstar

By the way, have you heard of some guy named Jerry Stackhouse?? He shot 40% for his CAREER.. That’s 3% more than Jennings’ rookie year.. Yeah J.S. was the same guy who shot 40% in the 2000-01 season and averaged a shade under 30ppg…

By the way, there’s another legendary player… what was his name again.. Umm… Maybe Jason Kidd? He shot 38% his first 2 seasons.. Look at him now.

numbers don’t tell the whole story.

What about stats from March… You bring up Feb which was his worst month and they went 10-4..

They did better in march…
8-1 in March and Jennings: 16.8ppg, 6.4apg, 48%3pt shooting

he doesn’t ALOT that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet, his passing vision is ridiculous, best in the draft.

Since when are the Bucks his team? Even tonight when he played so well, it was not him who showed up in the overtimes and the fourth quarter, it was Bogut and Salmons.

you clearly didn’t read my billups thing. I said he was UNDERACHIEVING hence there was no hype his rookie season with people saying he is the next best thing which is why he got traded. Sorry I just don’t really like Jenning’s game. Those flashy PGs with bad shot selection are a dime a dozen and their story always ends the same way. All that when he matures nonsense is old people are still waiting for marbury, francis etc to mature.

I know numbers don’t tell the whole story.. Have you seen Jennings play more than those 2 games they showed on ESPN??? I doubt it.. His passing ability is so great, I mean his court vision is Nash/Paul-esque

Yeah I watched the game tonight but since when is it Salmons team? Since when was it Bogut’s team?

They gave Bogut the team a couple of years ago and what did he do with it? Nothing, so now that they are winning he’s taking the team back? Doesn’t work that way.. This team was in the playoffs as a solid 7 seed before Salmons, all they did was jump into a 5 spot.. Jennings got them into the playoffs.

I think what bothers me the most about Jennings is that he sometimes lets his confidence overcome common sense, you saw a bit of that in tonights game near the end of the fourth quarter when he jacked up a three point attempt from way way beyond the arc with still time left on the shot clock. I think it seemed that beause his shots were falling from downtown his vision of his teamates closed a little and he simply started looking for his shot, which is a shame when you consider what he is capable of.

I seen 5-6 games this year with Jennings he is just flashy. Again he is a good pg who will be a starter. However there at least 3-4 pgs from this years draft that are better than him and that I would rather have.

Uhh.hmm… Always end the same way??

Hmm what about….
Pistol Pete, flashy PG..
What about Steve Nash, flashy PG..

What about one of the greatest flashy PG’s of all time…. Allen Iverson.. He CARRIED that philly team into the Finals… too bad the Philly Franchise is just like the Minnesota Timberwolves franchise, they completely waste a great player’s prime.. (Kevin Garnett)

umm…its Boguts and Salmons team since they have been the ones stepping it up latley… it has nothing to do with what has happened in the past, simply what is happening now.

Jennings shoots 38% from the 3… And when he put that shot up, he was shooting about 7-11 from 3.. When you’re that hot, the coach wants you to take a 3.

They were actually 9th before the trade. Not the point before that it was actually Redds team, followed by Jeffersons team, followed by mo williams team. It was never Boguts team.

So this is what you’re telling me… NBA Finals… Game 1, first Qtr… LeBron James gets injured and Antawn Jamison steps up and averages 30ppg in the Finals.. It’s officially Antawn’s team because he stepped it up at that time and LeBron is from the past so he had NOTHING to do with it?

steve nash and pistol pete are some of the best shooters the game has ever had. plus steve nash is flashy but he never gets carried away or play too quick.
As for AI Jennings is and never will be nowhere near the caliber player he was.

If that’s the case, maybe they should burn all the NBA Championship Trophies and rings except the ones from 2009 because those are the current ones and the past doesn’t matter according to you.

I hope that you really are saying that Iverson is one of the greatest “flashy” PG’s of all time and not that he is one of the greatest PG’s of all time.

Nash doesn’t play too quick?? I can’t believe I’m hearing this!! Do you know what kind of system the Phoenix Suns play under Alvin Gentry? The same playing style that Don Nelson has and the same Mike D’Antoni has.. It just so happens they have 2 all-stars and better players.. Nash THRIVES in the fast game.. Nobody in Dallas, 2 time MVP with a quick playing style.

I wasnt aware that Jennings was ever really playing at the level this year for him to be compared to a great player, let alone Lebron. Jennings was never in the position of leading his team to greatness, infact the Bucks were doing better when Jennings was splitting more minutes with other players.

Iverson is one of the greatest shooting PG’s of all time.. Not one of the greatest PGs, maybe if he had a better team throughout his career, he’d be one of the greatest PGs of all time because he sure had the court vision for it.

Jennings last 7 games: (6-1) 21ppg, 6apg, 49% shooting.

Don’t look now but his shot is starting to drop again.

ightt im going to stop this argument really quick.
You are starting a team, you have a choice of a PG from”
Evans
Curry
Jennings
Colllison
Holiday (just started getting the opportunity playing great)
Rubio (unknown)
Beaubois

rank them in order
I bet Jennings will always fall 3-4

IMO

Evans
Jennings
Collison
Curry
Holiday
Beaubois
Rubio

Look, you’re on one side of the discussion and I’m on the other.. But we both have good points and that’s the great thing about basketball, it’s like a never ending soap opera, maybe in 3-5 years we’ll find out who was the best PG in the league..

ightt im going to stop this argument really quick.
You are starting a team, you have a choice of a PG from”
Evans
Curry
Jennings
Colllison
Holiday (just started getting the opportunity playing great)
Rubio (unknown)
Beaubois

rank them in order
I bet Jennings will always fall 3-4

thats only this years draft – other young PGs id rather have – paul, deron, rose, westbrook, rondo
that puts him as maybe the 10th pg in the league if i had to pick one to start a franchise which is slightly above average. thats not considering the older pgs id rather have liek billups, nash etc.

Well put Whiteflash

“Evans is clearly doing well, but his game won’t expand much due to his predictibilty and limited athleticism”

You do realize that Evans is easily one of the most Athletic guys in his draft class, he is incredibly strong, has suprising speed and has the lowest % body fat in his class. Just because he doesnt run up and down and all around like he is spazzing out to get the ball doesnt mean he isnt athletic, he knows how to make the game go at his pace and he knows how to control the pace rather than just trying to go as fast as he possibly can.

I am beginging to wonder whether or not you have ever even seen him play outside of this game. He is not even close to predictable, just listen to what actual NBA stars have said about him and why he can be such a nightmare to guard.

I realize you really like Jennings, but you have to be at least a bit realistic about how good both Curry and Evans are and have been for a while now.

collison snuck up on people?
sounds familiar… I think this guy whos $%^# ur hanging off of might have done something similar. Some guy in this years draft who scouts had nothing on and who had to go off youtube tapes when considering drafting him.
And has really come back to earth recently.

All you need to see is Evans run the fast break and hopefully you will realize that by the time he passes the defenders while dribbling the ball that he actually is pretty quick on his feet.

As for the insults about my avatar / line of thought, I really do wish you luck in future conversations with people who do not appreciate being insulted with vague and jealously motivated comments. Just because a person may disagree does not mean that they are any less deserving of respect, and just because a player is better than whomever you feel fit to praise does not automatically make them enemy number one.

Good night and sweet delusions.

The thing is if that is true about Billups, I dont know his stats like that but he came in as a scorer which he was at Colorado. Jennings is more a playmaker and he can play defense right now. His shot will come, same thing with Russell Westbrook. Jennings will average around 43% or better next season and he already shoots a decent percent from 3’s. A players second year is when they either rise or fall. You know what it takes and you have worked on your body to prepare you for what you dealt with your first year. Durant did this. Jason Terry did it. A lot of good player did it. Nowitski sucked his first year. People need to remember how old Jennings is. He has lots of room to grow. That is what is so scary about Tyreke who is just as young but is playing so well this year without a solid jumper.

D3WadeIsBetta, yes i’ve watched plenty of bucks games. I have league pass so it not being on espn doesn’t really effect me. That statement wasn’t just to you. Just because someone is shooting a bad percentage doesn’t mean they are playing bad. Looking at jennings passes i don’t see nash but i do see a very capable passer.

I’ve thought for a while know that jennings would be much better if he had more scoring around him. Jennings was better at the beginning of the season because they didn’t see him as their lead scorer so he only took smart shots, know that his team and all the other teams know he is shooting he is watched more closley and is forced to take harder shots.

Also for how bad of a shooter he was said to be coming out of highschool i expected him an airball every shot. I’m exagerating of course but he worked on his shot a lot and that shows that he has a good work ethic which is just as if not more important than making shots right now.

Matter to Jennings more than stats. He will do whatever it takes to win a game. Pass all game, or shoot all game. He seems to be the most competitive out of all these young guards and that has rubbed off on his team. He looks for Bogut ,something a trigger happy Mo Williams would not do or a sniper like Redd.

I think he will only get better and stronger. He is so fast and his handles are so sick right now and his shot is better than expected. The best thing about him is he knows how to run a team.
That being said give me Tyreke now and down the line, then it’s a toss up between Curry and Jennings.
Jennings has a slight edge because he is more of a pure pg and is doing it in a system not really built for a pg to run and gun.
Curry is so smooth and can handle and pass it so much better than expected.
I think BK ball is a big knick fan that want to deny that they fucked up by not taking Jennings.
They didn’t have a chance to take Reke or Curry and they fucked up by not taking Jennings if he was in NY you would be a big fan.

evans isnt really athletic.. youre getting how good he is mixed up with being athletic. not sure why any of that matters though because hes still a very good player. as far as jennings and leading the team. you cant argue with guys who think all leaders have to be the leading scorer. he leads the team in many different ways. do ya’ll remeber salmons earlier this year for the bulls?.. remember bogut last year? and bk you know you would much rather have jennings then “the deer” or douglas. and he doesnt take a bunch of bad shots he just doesnt make alot of the shots that he does take, which will come with time. we already see what happens when he does happen to shoot well. his game has gotten much better from sr year in hs till now( anyone who has seen him in hs and some of his games on nbatv or that euro basketball site while he was playing in europe can attest to this) and hes already dropping more dimes then andre miller, derrick rose, billups,aron brooks in his first year on a team that is far less talented individually. asnyone who says he isnt a main reason they have been winning games either havnt watched there games or just clueless. sessions played well last year and he had redd(not for the whole season) and richard jefferson yet what did they do?..that right there shows you the impact he has on this team

I’m not mad he is not a Knick, I really like Douglas and even if he might not be as good as the guys that went in the lottery he is a solid PG that seems like a high character guy who takes pride in playing defense. He will also be great next to a guy like Lebron James next year because Lebron will have the ball in his hands most of the time, making Jennings completely irrelevant because even though he is trigger happy he can;t hit a shot. Douglas will play great Defense and hit open jump shots all day sort of like Mo Williams only a better defender. Im mad the Knicks didn’t get one of Curry, Rubio or Evans that is true, definitely not mad they didn’t get Jennings. I would have loved to see them try to move up a spot or two for Curry. Since GS liked Hill maybe the 8th, 29th and some money would have been good enough for the 7th.