Greg Oden = Bust?

Keeps getting hurt and I feel bad for him. He is no bust I’m sorry double double almost everynight with close to 3 blocks is not a bust. Bad luck? Yes

Greg Oden can be called a Bust.

The Portland Fans are mad because people bring it up but…

Passed on CP3 and Kevin Durant this decade….come on that organization is overrated

There are very few instances where you should ever call a 22 year old NBA player a bust…The guys in his 2nd season technically. Yes injuries are a major concern…but it’s not like the talent isn’t there. Calling Greg Oden a bust is not only ignorant but it’s plain stupid.

no way is oden a bust. thats just insult to injury. nobody this season was calling him a bust until he blew up his knee last night. the game before last night he finished with 20 boards, 11 offensive. what kind of bust grabs 20 boards and leads the league in rebounds per 48 minutes. the only thing that can slow him down are injurys. so pleassseee no more bust talk at least until he rehabs and is able to play again

Dude cant get a break, gotta feel bad for him he seems like a really nice kid who does the right think and just wants to play…This has got to be really demoralizing for him

No way oden is abust he hasnt been healthy since his junior year in high school he hurt his wrist his senior year and re injured it at ohio st thats why he missed alot of games at ohio st then he hurt his knee and been having problems Is Grant Hill a bust because he been injured most of his career is penny hardaway a bust he look like the second coming of magic johnson until he hurt his knee. Sam bowie is a bust thats a bust he didnt do anything to help portland greg oden was coming until his own and proving he was worth the first pick.

He’s a bust. What has he does to prove otherwise? He hasn’t stayed healthy and he hasn’t produced like the 1st pick should despite being a 3rd option. What does he need to not do to be considered a bust?

When the hell did they pass on CP3? Please, show me this…

How is he consider a bust its not like he got out there and missed dunks didnt grab rebounds and got no playing time he had a big role for portland. He cant help it that he is injury prone. Iguodala9 please tell me how he is a bust?

i do believe this is the second coming of sam bust bowie greg oden will not be an all star he will not live up to his excpation so i do believe greg will be a bust i really liked this kid back in ohio state sorry

Even when sam bowie was healthy he did nothing to help portland i mean grag oden hasnt been healthy in a while Oden is only 21 wait to he like 25 to see if he is a bust it took jermain O;Neal 4 years to devloped when he ws drafted people were writing him off but he had a serious worth ethic i recall watching nate mcmillian and he says greg oden stay in the gym.

I’m trying to figure out how he’s not a bust!! What has he done to prove he’s not a bust? I stated why he was a bust in my last post…

Thank you why and magicknick. just because you are injured alot your bust that dont make no sense when greg oden ws healthy this season he was playing good yall act like he wont contributing at all he was playing well at all yall use the bust word to much do yall know what that word mean. Oguodala9 you are exoecting him to put up 20pts 20reb on a consistent basis but thats not his game his game is to get rebounds and lockdown the paint and before he got injured he was doing that.

11 pts and 8 rebs are not the numbers expected of the 1st overall pick in a draft. The only thing that really stand out are his 2 blocks Plain and simple. And last year, he put up 8 pts and 7 boards with 1 block. Also, if you aren’t playing in the majority of the games your supposed to play, then you haven’t achieved anything near what you’ve supposed to. It’s not like Oden has proven he’s some All-Star player in the extremely limited amount of games he’s played, it’s all potential. He shows flashes, but there are a bunch of busts that show flashes and most of them can at least give you close to an entire season worth of games to show what they really are made of. He hasn’t played an entire season yet, so how is he not a bust? What has he done or shown to make you say, “he’s no bust”? All I’ve seen is flashes and decent production. You don’t look for decent in the 1st pick, you look for a franchise-changer, and Oden has NOT changed their franchise.

Greg Oden has not been healthy since he was like 17 so u saying this based on him being proably 75% healthy u did your reasearch he did average 11 and 8 but it takes a big man longer to develop thatn a guard key examples Jermaine O’Neal and chris kaman jermin O’neal didnt produce to like his 4th year in the league and had time to get doos and he put up amazing stats and chris kaman is coming into his in in the past years it takes big man longer to develop Greg Oden is only 21 igoudala9 u treating him like he is a 35 year old vet u cant write him off yet in due time he will produce

You’re not labeling him as a bust as much as, in the context of the players taken after him, you’re labeling him not worthy of a number 1 overall pick…I don’t think many people would disagree with you at this point…His injuries would make anyone in there right mind choose Durant, and maybe a couple others over Oden…But is he a productive NBA player? Yes. Therefore, in my mind, hes not too big of a bust.

But the more you type the more I think you know nothing about Oden except stat lines.
1st big men taken more time to develop, second last season was his 1st year in the NBA. If you watch Oden play, you see good things, you see someone with the ABILITY to dominate like few other centers in the NBA. His combination of size, length, athleticism and quickness make him relatively unparalleled in the NBA sans Dwight Howard.

I don’t think I’m ever going to change your mind, because we have different perspectives on what a bust really is. But if you think Oden is/was a sub-par player this year, or even average, then you’re delusional. He was turning his season into something special. Once again he hasn’t even played 2 full seasons in the NBA! And in his 2nd season before he fracture his knee cap he was doing WORK.

I don’t even want to try and prove you wrong, it seems to me you’re the proverbial “hater” and won’t give a dude credit where its due.

Another reason why I really believe Oden will rebound from this is his character. He’s got a great heart and head on his shoulders. My uncle knows his high school coach and he said he’s the most coachable player he’d ever had. I take this to mean something. Oden is a fighter and I really believe he’ll prove you all wrong.

It’s almost laughable to say hes a bust really…

What if, he has ONE dominant All-Star/MVP caliber season in like 3 years? At that point he’ll still only be 24 or 25. Then will you be calling him a bust when hes only 25 and he’s got an All-Star appearance? No.

When you follow guys from high school, to college, then to the NBA…A couple years seems like eternity. Considering this is a draft site im sure we’ve all be following Oden since he was like 17…What if in your job you were 23 and they told you you’re a bust and will NEVER succeed. Not that you have a slim chance, but everyone is telling you you’re done and worthless. You’d look at them like their crazy…

Oden is not done.

Before I forget…A bust in my opinion is someone like Stromile Swift (duh)

Being a bust goes beyond looking at a stat line for someone and saying man I expected more! Watch Oden play, he’s learning hes trying he’s a student of the game. He cares (one of the best things going for him)

Now, watch Stromile Swift play. There is no difference between his 1st game played and last. The guy was missing that thing in between your ears (a brain). He never learned one thing in the NBA and look where he is now.

I can’t stress enough the importance of will power, passion and desire. Oden has these qualities.

Yea Odn has passion everytime he get injured he come back strong and help portland win by doing the little things. Stromile seift is a bust also he had all the potential and never worked on his game and he wasnt injury prone he just liked basketball rather than love because if he loved it he wouldve been a great player and worked on his game all the time.

I understand what your saying, but lets not write him off yet. The stats are deceiving. If he played 30-35 mpg he’d be averaging 15 ppg 11 rpg and 3-4 bpg…Yes, he’s partly a bust, BUT…is it his fault all these injuries have occured? I mean come on…give the guy a break. Who the hell would predict all of these terrible injuries would happen? NOBODY! I am not writing Oden off…He still has a bright, bright future ahead. He will never be as good as KD, but that doesn’t neccessarily make you a bust does it? If that’s the case, I guess Hakeem is a bust to right?

If Oden can stay healthy…He IS an all-star caliber big man…However, I have no evidence so far that would convince me to believe that Oden will ever stay healthy. I am optimistic though.

why u 100% correct i think oden is very productive but i think iguodala9 means he isnt worthy of a number 1 pick if thats the case was Bogut worth the number 1 pick over chris paul,deron willimas, danny granger. Like oden Bogut is very productive

I mean, Bogut has produced at a higher level than Oden has. And he produced at a higher level at the same stage of development. So that’s not a good example.

Also, like gregoden08 just said, there is no evidence to say he’ll stay healthy. When is the last time he didn’t sustain an injury? Sure he has potential, but until he shows that he’s an NBA 1st overall pick, he’s going to be rightfully labeled an underachiever or bust. I just call it like I see it.

Can Someone help me out here?

Oden has missed 2 of 3 seasons so far

Kevin Durant has 3 20ppg season potentially under his belt

Picking Oden was not a Bust Pick how?

Let me ask PORTLAND FANS A QUESTION

2007 Draft Night is tonight: With all you know now: Who’s the number 1 pick in this draft

How is it a bad example when they both average around the same their first two years bogut produces more but he also been in the league two years long u might as well say three years becaue oden didnt play his first rookie year man oden is still a very young player i think he has at least 4 more years until you call him a bust but he still will only be 25 then

Here’s an idea, maybe read all the posts as I’ve responded to that question before it was even asked.

Hindsight is 20/20

not a bust but the expectations were too high on him he is a role player that will never produce like a number 1 pick because they are considered to be superstars or busts. very injury prone tho and will never have great numbers

U cant compare oden to durant because they play two different positions and u can come in the league and dominate the center poisition in the past 15 years was shaq dwight howard is dominating now but he didnt take off until his second yaera he average a double double as a rookie but he struggled. asd much as people say they shouldve drafted kevin durant over oden would durant and roy coexist would roy give up his superhero role to play sidekick i dont think so.

Hindsight is 20/20 correct

But Correct me if im Wrong…Who looked better in College?

Sorry, Not Buying it. Durant was better in College then Oden. Durant has more skills. Because he was 180 pounds soaking wet..ppl thought he was gonna be a bust. Now, he’s a top 15 player while Oden getting some more surgery.

Lol. GregOden08….

He was the wrong pick. If he’s not a bust then he was the WRONG pick.

Does anybody see Oklahma City & Kevin Durant ever winning a title?  Because I sure as hell don’t!  Stop saying Oden is bust simply because Portland drafted him over Durant.  When healthy Oden is effective. He is a game changer on the defensive end.  

It is easy to say Portland should’ve picked Durant now that Oden is hurt.  That is just a cheap shot.  

If i could remember Durant put up the better numbers but in college oden played with a cast on and shot free throws left handed and dominated with his off hand and got ohio state to the nccaa championship. Im a big durant fan but he struggled in the ncaa tournament when his team was riding him the most while oden thrive under pressure and team went to the championship game and oden scored his season high that game but they still lost but he showed the hard of a warrior

QHaynes- cmon now.  Oden was unbelievable in college.  

I do not see Portland and Oden winning a title either. Sorry my man. There’s no window where I see them winning.

I won’t get into an Oden/Durant debate, cause I’ll come off like I’m not a huge fan of Durant, when I am.

Right now though KD’s defense is suspect at best, and while he has skills to improve in this area I don’t see him ever being an elite defender or really close even. Oden is a top, TOP notch defensive player in the NBA, and this is getting overlooked why?

I really don’t think they could have gone wrong with either, but based on the way Roy’s numbers have dropped with Oden on offense (and you people are saying his offense is lacking) and the way Roy has handled Oden, I highly doubt him and KD could co-exist with one ball. Roy needs the ball in his hands to make things happen.

Also, with big men, 7 footers, thats how you win Championships. Rings baby, it’s about rings. And filling the seats, but Oden has the potential to do that too…As much as it hurts me to say it…Durant’s position might be one you need the least in terms of getting a title. A scoring swingman with decent vision? It’s not like he’s LeBron or Wade or Kobe who also goes out and dishes 5+ assists.

But Durant does have a killer instinct and is very, very good. He will be very special.

Fact is though big men and defense gets you to the ship. Oden is both of those things and he’s top notch in both of those categories.

Oden was good but he had a good PG with him and a great shooter with him.

Durant was amazing in college PLUS all he had around him was a ( at the time) decent PG in Augustine.

Gatorheels tried to tell these fools something casue i know u watched oden in college like i did and saw him dominate with his off hand and cast on his right one and his team went to the ncaa championship.

we cant go by per 40 mins he cant play long cuz his bball iq is low and he hacks a lot thats why he will never have great numbers why do people think he will dominate the league when he couldnt dominate college

All he had was Augustin? AJ Abrams, Damion James…Texas was a damn good team.

even kevin durant averaged 20 and 10 in college

Oden played well but what I saw from Durant was amazing.

Oden was the 1st option on his team
Durant was the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th option on that team

OSU could win with Oden having a sub-par game. Texas could not score if Durant was off.

I agree durant is a phenomal player and will be league mvp and lead the league in scoring someday maybe this year but saying they shouldve draftead him over oden is something i cant agree with because i dont see him and roy playing together because they both need the balls in their hands.

I agree durant is a phenomal player and will be league mvp and lead the league in scoring someday maybe this year but saying they shouldve draftead him over oden is something i cant agree with because i dont see him and roy playing together because they both need the balls in their hands.

I agree durant is a phenomal player and will be league mvp and lead the league in scoring someday maybe this year but saying they shouldve drafted him over oden is something i cant agree with because i dont see him and roy playing together because they both need the balls in their hands.

didnt mean to post that many times computer acting stupid

Dude…Just stop. Thunder will never win a championship first off

I said they will win a title?

Oden was the wrong pick. That’s better then saying he’s a Bust.

who said low BBIQ?

I’m posting 3-4 paragraph rebuttals and am getting the same stupid shit I already answered in my posts lol. READ and come back with an actually decent counter arguement

he should have averaged at least 13 rebounds per game

It is not about purely scoring.  Who cares about how many points Durant scored in college.  It is all about winning.  Oden was a game changer in college.  

Why- I read your paragraphs & you were exactly right.  Plus that last post you made was funny haha

Different Situations.

You give Durant 2 more All Americans to play with…we would have seen Texas in a Final 4.

The better way to say someone is Not a Bust is he was the wrong pick. I think Oden can be good, I just think Durant was the better pick. Sorry, JMO

Oden got his team to the ncaa tournament in dominate fashion with his left oden oden is right handed he had peole scared to go to the paint andhe ws was blocking with his off hand he isnt a bust in my eyes he just had a bad career to start he might never live up to the height but he isnt a bust i see him averaging at 18pts 13rpg when healthy he just had to much pressure and hype on him when he came to the league

Thanks Gatorheel haha, I’ll be around for the next pick ’em thingy you create. I missed the last one I was disappointed hahaa

Wait a Min, weren’t you the same person saying Roy can play PG a couple months back?

I saw Noah & Horford both play in person numerous times in college.  They were both very good players & I knew they would be solid pros.

Did anybody watch that National Championship game?  Oden was cleary more dominate than both Noah & Horford.  Oden deserved to be the #1 pick.  95% of the scouts/public/media thought Oden should be the #1 pick.  True dominate Centers like that are RARE 

How can you say a team will never win a championship? Are y’all trying to say that Greg Oden isn’t an underachiever. It’s crazy, I never knew we had so many Greg Oden lovers on here. I mean, show me one thing that he’s doing that about 10-15 centers aren’t doing. Only thing he really was doing that was at an elite level was blocking shots. He’s definitely not producing like the 1st pick should. I can’t believe were really discussing that. I understand y’all want to see him succeed, I do too, but lets face it. He’s hasn’t produced like the 1st pick, he’s always hurt, and he’s not the ideal player you select 1st overall.

And sure Oden was pretty good in college, but Durant was and is much better. There will never be a doubt about it. But that’s a different argument.

I don’t understand what Oden has done that a bunch of PF’s and C’s do all the time. He’s not supposed to have middle-of-the-road production. They picked him to be a franchise changer.

If Oden is a big key to the Blazers franchise in the future, and helps them get to the finals is he a bust? If he can stay healthy…He will not be a bust. Will he stay healthy? Hell, who knows…Plenty of big men get injured. Some come back from bad injuries, some don’t.

Q-Oden was not the WRONG pick. Durant would not mesh with B-Roy. The Blazers are an average defensive team at best with Oden…Can you imagine how bad they would be with Durant defensively? Plus he’d be taking shots away. The Blazers need to play like the Celtics…Not like the Lakers.

Gatorhells 100% agree with u i watched that game oden was the only one producing and Horford and Noah couldnt do anything with him just based in that game alone he deserved to be the number 1 pick and like i keep saying he ws dominataing with his left hand and cast on the other oden look liek a future hall of famer but him gaining to much muscle and him being inury prone has hurt him but he still has a bright future in the nba but calling him a bust is very harsh.

durant averaged more points and rebounds than oden and durant even gave you 2 blocks a game so what did oden do so much better than him? why was he so worthy of the 1st pick is it cuz durant couldn’t lift 185 cuz that was his only negative? him and roy could play together cuz durant doesnt do alot of dribbling he is a shooter and scorer the only player roy can play with are the ones that dribble a lot

I told you Oden will still be good. I felt Durant was better. We say that now. We don’t know what would have happened if Durant would have been a Blazer. All I’m saying is, Durant right now is putting up points at a very good rate. He can use a increase in his rebounding numbers. The Fact is:

Durant was a SG his rookie year, he never really need to bulk up because he probably ( I don’t know 100%) lost some speed. In the conference with Kobe?Manu?McGrady? Not Smart. Last Year, he moved back to the SF position and he has to now deal with the Melo’s of the West and he must bulk up.

I know Oden is 21. Durant’s 21 as well my man. Your telling me Roy-Durant couldn’t have worked? Nate McMillen would have made that work. Not like both have huge egos and couldn’t coexist.

Right now….if you were taking one and you knew what you know now…who are you taking? You still didn’t answer that

Not so dominate now though is he? All that stuff he did in college is irrelevant now. Yes we all knew he played great in the title game, but I think y’all are trying to come up with excuses as to why he was picked over Durant. Lets just admit they were wrong in that decision, Durant was better and has been ever since they started playing meaningful competition. I don’t understand why there is an argument as to wheTher Oden deserved to be the 1st pick over Durant, when Oden has never played better individually.

i agree with gregoden08 durant roy wouldnt mesh roy needs the ball inh is hand and so does durant puttung them together wouldve hurt the development of both of them. Oden was the right pick because they needed a center not another score they already have roy and aldridge

I have to say…I find it Funny how some people here say Oden can’t be called a Bust

BUT SOME OF YOU CALL JOE ALEXANDER, JULIAN WRIGHT AND OTHER GUYS WHO HAVE NOT GOT THEIR CHANCE BUST PICKS!

If Greg Oden was playign up to his draft spot and hype, why would he be sharing time with Joel Pryzbilia?? Let’s be honest here…..Joel Pryzbilia wouldn’t take Bynum’s minutes, or Dwight Howard’s minutes. Oden was never that good in the NBA…face the facts dude

At this point it doesnt matter because he is out for the season. While Durant has 3 years of experience under his belt, Oden has about 1/2 a season. Like someone said earlier, they play different positions so it is hard to say who is better. Also, it doesnt matter who the right or wrong pick was. It was done and now it cant be reversed. Never ending debate.

The Blazers with a healthy Oden have a legit chance at a title eventually.  

The Blazers with Durant would never win a title.  

That is why Portland picked Oden.   

2 season ending surgeries…That’s just a fluke IMO

Isin’t that what Portland Fans thought with Sam Bowie?

And his legs are hurting? Gonna effect his explosiveness.

Meanwhile, Durant will be winning some scoring titles. If that Core improves….watch out

I just never knew this many people thought like this about Greg Oden….like what has he done to get all this love??

Yeah miller and roy can play together and miller aint even a scorer so how would durant roy play together they might would make the playoffs but that duo would be similar to mayo and gay.

It is far too early and far to ridiculous to raise this question. This site is becoming ESPN x 100 for their need for immediate satisfaction due to boredom over their current situation. Here is why Greg Oden is not a bust.

1. He is 22 years old
2. His being injured has yet to derail his team from potentially competing for a championship, as they were at least a couple years from doing so.
3. Also to mention, and this does not just go with Blazer fans, 30 out of 30 teams take him number 1. Even Seattle/OKC takes Greg first. You see a potential franchise center, you take him first. No, he is not the consolation prize to Hakeem Olajuwon, he was the guy to take in that draft. Would 30 out of 30 teams would have taken Hakeem number 1. Would 30 out of 30 teams taken Sam Bowie number 2? Do not think so, because even at the time, that was crazy. So, this bust stuff, is just a bunch of trumped up garbage. If Kevin Durant is on Portland right now, do they contend for a title in a couple years? What, you guys are saying not without big men? I thought so, well, that answers my question. Also, no Joel Przybilla does not qualify as a quality starting C on a championship team. Amazing back-up, but you do not want him being your main C. Also, still have no back-up PF’s, so, unless Pritchard would have actually pulled the trigger if Portland had Durant, than, do not see us solving that issue.
4. A lot of players come back from injury to have successful careers, and Greg was in the process of doing that. If you recall, Andrew Bynum has had injuries that have side shifted him to either missing the NBA Finals or playing like a wimp in them (see 2008 and 2009), yet still came back to be fine. Why does Andrew not have the pressure of Greg? Because he was not the first pick in the draft, was a guy who Kobe once wanted to trade for Jason Kidd and the Lakers have guys they depend on more than him, as well as having Pau who as soft as he may be, is not softer than LaMarcus Aldridge (not even close).
5. As soon as Greg comes back next year, he will be even better than before. He has had so little time to actually rest due to ridiculous expectations and pressure, hopefully this time he will have time to actually come back from the injury without stress. He works hard, is thankful for where he is at and he strives to be a great basketball player. Not to mention, that in every game I saw him in this year, he made the guy he was playing against look like a wimp. He can box out anyone, is a defensive terror and is developing into a premier force at center. Now, would you rather have a premier center on your team or premier scoring wing on a team with an amazing shooting guard, a number of great young wing guys and another wing who could eventually turn into a total terror of a match-up (Rudy Fernandez). Yes, Kevin Durant is fantastic. He has done a lot more than Greg so far. But honestly, I may be stubborn, but I still go with Greg. As much as it hurts and is awful that he is injured, I can not go against my instinct that he will do great things. Say whatever you want, make whatever hypothetical or ridiculous hypothetical (or in laymen terms “what-if”) statement you may make, I still see Greg doing amazing things for the Blazers, things I can not even imagine Kevin Durant producing. Do people honestly see Durant and Roy as Jordan and Pippen? With the strength at big for the Lakers, and other better wing and guard players in this league as well as a number of other contending teams, I do not see it unless the Blazers managed to pull off magical trades, which, Blazers fans, as much as you want to say he has, if you look at it, Kevin Pritchard is not at all a magician of the deal. He got an amazing trade from Boston, and than showed his hand and had to do two strange trades to get players he wanted (Roy, Aldridge), which ended up working out. I think Greg’s injury hurts even more because of all the other injuries, and hell, this is just not the Blazers year. But, to say Greg Oden is a bust, after three years in the league, on a young team who has a window of opportunity wide open, is just ridiculous. So, continue with your one sentence responses with no actual thought or evidence to the contrary, but I will just say, it sucks he got hurt, but I am looking forward to seeing he and Yao Ming back next year. Than we will maybe see some centers that can be ranked after Dwight Howard without having to look down the Empire State building for the next floor.

Stats don’t tell the whole story.  You have to realize how many shots Oden alters per game.  His impact on defense is huge.  

What does it matter if Durant is scoring 30 points a game but his team makes it nowhere when it counts? 

Greg Oden scores inside, rebounds, blocks shots . Besides scoring what does durant do?

Individually, Durant is the better player. I can”t understand for the life of me why y’all are trying to figure out who’s the better player between the two when everything is staring you right in the face…..

And no, Pryzbilia is NOT a starter caliber center in the NBA. At least, not if you want to win, ever. Once again, trying to make up stuff to help your argument. Silly, silly people…

Whoa, I can’t believe some of you guys are saying Oden’s a bust simply because Durant turned out to be a helluva player and was picked 1 pick later. Oden is a game changer on D and this was basically his sophmore season, playing along side 2 all-stars/or potential all-stars. Give the man a break.

QHaynes- I absolutely have said & will continue to say that Joe Alexander & Julian Wright are busts. I’ve been saying it forever now haha. Some people will say it is too early to say that & that is cool.  Here is the difference between Oden & Alexander or Wright:    

Oden is effective when he plays while Alexander & Wright pretty much do nothing.   

He rebounds pretty well (7boards a game), and gets nearly 2 steals and a block a game.

In or order for the thunder to thrive and become playoff contenders durant needs to get more assists.

When did I say championship anything?! What are you talking about? Anyway, no Pryzibila is NOT a starter caliber center, lets not make up things to water down the fact that Oden has not played up to his draft spot and potential.

Horrible comparison…Oden to Joe Alexander…just wow…I was deciding if I needed to comment

Can we move on??? I mean this is like picking Kobe or Shaq. Who is/was better. Blah Blah Blah…

Shaq was better.

this my last post on this so igoudala9 if u had to pick two centers form the west who would u pick?

Andrew Bynum and Tim Duncan..

Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum don’t play less than half of a game due to shared minutes like Oden does due to a backup center like Pryzibilia. Gortat plays 15 mins to Howard’s 32, and Mbenga plays 9 mins to Bynum’s 35.

Well duncan has been a 4 most of his career but i respect your opinion i would pick Bynum and Oden because i consider tim a 4.

I’d take Chris Kaman, Nene’ and Okur over Oden as well out West too…as the current 2 best Centers.

I’m glad you dont run my team. Nene was injury prone till he was like what 27 now he’s had a good season and you want him who’s like 6’9 over Oden? Interesting concept there…Don’t see the continuity in your logic. Seems short sighted

Double post, apologies

He said who would I pick if I had 2 centers to choose from. I would take all of them currently. I’m not sure who wouldn’t take them over Oden right now. He didn’t say who would you draft…so yes, this was short-sighted, as it was a question about the short term.

Not saying these guys are bad, but they have faced many of the same problems as Oden.

But they actually play enough games to give an honest evaluation about. The only one that has faced the same problems as Oden is Nene’, and he proves to be productive and effective when he plays, to an even higher level than Oden.

heres my take. i think Portland knew Durant would be good. really good. but they saw how dominant of a post dfender and rebounder Oden is. heres another question. how many points would Durant score if he was sharing the ball with Roy and Aldridge? yes more than Oden but Oden right now isnt there yet but hes one of the best rebounders in the league and ppost defenders. yes Durant is better now but Oden is just a better fit Roy Aldridge needs theit shots and hes a guy if he can stay healthy who can give them 15 12 3 i think Durants better but hes no bust unless you say hes hes a bust because hes a little worse than Durantif he could stay healthy he would be almost as good and a better fit.

Actually Oden is more effective than all 3 of those other guys you named.  This season’s effeciency ratings up to this point:

Greg Oden  23.3

Nene  20.7

Kaman 15.5

Okur 15.1

So let me guess…Greg Oden is better than them too?

Honestly, I would take Oden over all 3 of them.  Assuming of course that Oden is healthy.

No one on here advocating Oden, is saying anything preposterous. Everyone is admitting he’s injury-prone, and he still has a lot to prove. But to say he’ a bust or not productive is just not true. I’ve seen a load of posts with constructive counter points as to why Oden is a top center when he was healthy and why he still has a good chance to become highly successful on the pro level. Arugements against just have been lacking. I won’t repeat everything but “Mikethadon” had a very good long post that summed up alot of things me and bryant and gator heels and gredoden08 and others have been pointing out, over and over and over. Obviously there is a disagreement so maybe at this point lets let time do the talking. Fact is he’s only 21 or 22 so we have to wait…Lets re-visit this in 4 years ; )

I wish the best of luck to Oden and really think he will succeed, on an All-Star caliber level during his career.

I bet….Trust me, no one else would. Not if this isn’t an NBA draft….which of course, it isn’t.

This argument started to heat up all because Greg Oden went down again… PONY! Let’s Get It On!

Nah, but I can add and subtract. I can see their production is more than what Oden offers..

Apparently you can’t…. I just showed you the effeciency ratings I mean cmon son.

You think Okur, Kaman, & Nene are better than Oden why?  Because they simply score more?  Haha what a joke.

Have you ever thought about FG%, defensive presence…?   

They all score more and rebound more (except Okur). Plus those efficiency ratings are misleading due to Oden playing less minutes and taking less shots. That’s not a true evaluation of who’s better anyway. It just shows who takes better or easier shots. You can take shots exclusively off of catch and finishes and your efficiency ratings would be threw the roof. If you have anything of a real scoring role, where you have to create shots for yourself, as all the guys I mentioned have, your efficiency rating would be lower than a catch and finish player like Oden. It’s misleading. I don’t see how anyone could think Oden is better than any of the players I named. I don’t know what it is about Oden that has all y’all so excited, but it’s strange. Especially since he has proven nothing but any of what I’ve said. I’m giving all the facts, but for some odd reason, Oden is better than Okur and Nene’ and Kaman, when he has proven the opposite in actual games and everything.

Seriously, we need to dead this. This is on some John Bryant on crack stuff. I give a player 5 years before I call him a bust. You can say so and so should have picked so and so, but honestly, it changes a team so drastically as to who they pick, the likelihood of a team having all their current players had they taken a Chris Paul or Kevin Durant is just not their. It is fantasy, which is fine if you like Magic Cards or still play Dungeons and Dragons. But, as for what it takes to build a winning basketball team, than, I stay with my 22 year old potentially All-Star Center to go with my booming young team. Kevin Durant is fantastic, but as far as winning goes, seems like he has not necessarily figured it all out. He puts up amazing statistics honestly because I do not think he knows how to involve his team. He went to Texas because he wanted to go to a team where he could do whatever he wanted. If he cared about winning, maybe he would have gone somewhere else, because that team was not going to do it. Greg has won everywhere he has gone, and he impacts the game heavily when he is around. When Greg Oden is your center, you are going to be a tough team to handle, trust that. Someone brought up the point that Nene was hurt forever. I always thought Nene could be a beast, but honestly, last year was his first year being healthy. He went down every year! He was drafted in 2001. 2008-09, first year healthy. Is Denver pissed off that they kept him? Do not think they could have done much better under the circumstances. Not to mention, that Greg, beasts on Nene. I remember reading someone I believe Thorpe say that he saw Nene take it to Timmy and than he saw Oden take to Nene, and that was damn impressive. Now, I know people will say what they believe, I respect that. But honestly, take whatever center you want right now, besides Dwight Howard, and I think a healthy Greg will stack up well with them. Marcus Camby, hurt all the time. Chris Kaman, hurt all the time. But when they are healthy? Well, they tend to win defensive players of the year and get mention for All-Star teams respectively. Greg Oden can potentially, and most likely will, be much better than either of those players. As soon as Greg gets the team around him to allow him to play 30 minutes a game, he will be a top 5 rebounder in the league, and might lead the league in blocks. Does this not make you say, damn, that ain’t bad. Also, ask a number of NBA teams what they would be willing to give for Greg. If I were a Thunder fan, I would give up my roster other than Durant and Westbrook for the dude, throw in the pick for 2010. Guys like him do not come around often, he made Joakim Noah look like a rag doll. The guy was leading the league in rebounds, goes for like 7 and 7 while Greg puts up 24 and 12. The dude will do this consistently, it has just been bad luck which I do not see lasting forever, like most people seem to do. Dwyane Wade got hurt, are you never going to take him on your fantasy team? Amare Stoudemire has gotten hurt a few times, is he finished. Obviously both of these players have achieved more than Greg, but people already put Greg under the scrutiny of these two superstar players. He is 22 years old! Just hope that he gets better, or just harp on saying “I told you so!” Believe me, 30 GM’s would all be very impressed with you 🙂

"If you have anything of a real scoring role, where you have to create shots for yourself, as all the guys I mentioned have, your efficiency rating would be lower than a catch and finish player"

That isn’t true at all…Kobe, Wade, LeBron just to name a few have some of the highest efficiency ratings in the league. 

Iguodala, gatorheels is just schooling you man. He is not saying efficiency means everything at all, but watch all those guys play and see what they all offer, and than tell me what center you want at the helm of your team in 2 years (When Portland will actually be competing for the championship most likely). Lets just say, I would take Greg, and if you watch him play against everyone he listed, than I think you would not be so fast to say that his efficiency is just smoke and mirrors. He outboards and just makes the game more difficult for opponents, and he has been a luxury on defense sometimes to the point that his team mates abuse having him, which leads to his foul trouble. As soon as the Blazers commit to defense, and get it all together, than I think they will be glad they have a Greg Oden over any of those other cats.

That’s the reason they are the 3 best players in the NBA…

But he played less than half a game…he’s a good rebounder and shot-blocker, but there are alot of good rebounders and shot-blockers, heck Pryzbilia is good at those two things. Most big men in the NBA are. And all these what if scenarios are irrelevant…who knows what he’d do for the Clippers..he plays for the Blazers.

But they make their shots too, that’s why they are encouraged to shoot. I doubt if they missed all the time they would shoot alot, and therefore they would have a low efficiency rating. If your an elite player, or if you take easy shots, you ratings will be good. There’s a reason they are considered elite players, and of course if your 7 feet and get all your shots at the rim, your going to make the vast majority of your shots.

oden didn’t even get 10 rebounds per game in college so how is he 1 of the best rebounders in the league? he plays with a bunch of soft players where he is the only 1 that even goes for rebounds. he would not average alot of points cuz he has no low post skills he needs the ball right under the goal to score. he’s not all that great of a defender he is just a good weak side shot blocker players with low post game score on him easy and pick up fouls against him. what good center has oden dominated? he’s a very likable player but that doesnt mean we have to overrate him. he is only considered a bust cuz he doesnt dominate on offense like number 1 picks are suppose to do

iggy9 im with you on this one i dont know what these oden lover are seeing saying he is a dominant player

Thank you beanz. I don’t know where all this stuff about Greg Oden is coming from, I bet the Blazers don’t end up being worse with Oden out. He provides everything Pryzbilia does, so they won’t miss many beats…I can’t understand how Greg Oden is getting so much love from everybody, I say all the things that are true and I lose like 100 points from it. LOL…I find it amusing. People on here acting like Greg Oden just can walk on water or something. Talk about overrated, this is ridiculous. Trying to convince someone that Greg Oden is the 2nd best Center in the West. I think this is all a joke, or maybe I’m just sleepy. Haha

interesting thing about bust
I saw a lot of places have Eddie Curry as a bust, but I rarely, almost never, see people calling Tyson Chandler a bust, they came out in the same Year, Chandler is 2nd and Curry is 4th, but clearly Curry is wayyyyyyy better than Chandler.
back to Oden, he is averaging 11 and 8 this season (also 2+ blocks) in limited playing time, well due to his foul trouble, but still, it is very decent, and how old was Tyson Chandler when he averaged similar numbers?
so if he aint a bust, why Oden？

He wouldn’t be a bust if he was picked in the top ten (2-10), but the thing is he was picked NUMBER 1

THIS is why people say he is a bust. I don’t agree because it’s not his fault he is hurt but nevertheless he cannot stay on the floor.

Bill Walton was also a trailblazer who had HUGE expectations and was often hurt. He went on to be the MVP and take his team to a championship.

Nothing can be determined so soon but the question is asked because he was taken #1 overall and other players who were taken below him are playing very very well.

Also players like Brook Lopez Andrew Bynum and Joakim Noah (leading the league in rebounding) who are about the same age are excelling at the center position–their success doesn’t help the public opinion of Greg Oden.

If Greg Oden can come back next year and remain even remotely as defensively dominant as he has shown he is capable of being, and continue to play without a major injury for a season or so, he will regain his status as being a legit center.

Until then, sorry Blazer fans, he is seeming to be a less desirable pick than Durant, Al Horford, Noah, and even your very own Rudy Fernandez.

oden will never be the same..

expect him to come back and just become a regular starting center

OH GREG ODEN IS SO DARN NICE 🙂 🙂 sorry to break it to you but niceness doesnt win championships.. and i forgot how much yall hang out with greg oden…

i completely agree with iguodala9.. oden will never be worthy of the number one pick. never ever

personally i dont think he’s a bust…one reason why people are saying it is because who was picked after him. and in that reguards i can understand how someone can call him a bust when you could have had a great player like durant. anytime you get picked over a guy who is playing like a all star while you are playing pretty good but injury prone then youre gonna be considered a bust

grege oden=bust ……..he can only dunk and block..

so mutumbo was a bust to?..he could just dunk and blk..and oden can also rebound. whats the definition of bust?..also joe smith would be considered a bust also right

I dont think he is a bust he just cant seem to stay healthy and the play that hurt him was a freak play he tries to block every shot thats his problem you cant block every shot in this league. he is still a good player but he has to play more controlled he is way to aggressive on defense at times.

thank you…i told a couple of the blazers fans that he needs to stop trying to block every single shot and they thought i was crazy

Being worthy of the #1 pick and a bust.

Sam Bowie, Michael Olowakandi were busts.
Greg Oden didn’t he have the same injury as Andrew Bynum and Bynum is back.
Granted Bynum is a better offensive player but Oden will be okay too early to be called a bust.
Try polling GM’s around the league and asks how many would still take Oden on there team despite the injuries.

Mutumbo was a all star his rookie year.

Oden is not a bust but I feel he was the wrong pick.

Durant is the man now. I also have to laugh at ppl who say he is not a #1 option, he’s overrated and the classic:

If Durant is so good, why does OKC suck?

you also gotta remeber mutombo went to g’town for 4 years. and was likely 26 when he was a rookie( born in 1966 and was at gtown for 4 years

if we knew he was a project why draft him over a player everybody knew could come in and make a diff right away

thanks!

Calling Oden a bust was absolutely idiotic considering he has been effective when healthy.  How can you call someone a bust who is 4th in blocks, 4th in field goal %, & 21st in rebounding? Not to mention his PER is 23 which is well above the league average. Wow.

 The goal is to win a title… point blank.  

this is what people were saying before Oden got injured:

http://dimemag.com/2009/11/greg-oden-makes-portland-a-contender/

Also read this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/11262/not-again-oden-out-for-year

The Oden haters really come alive as soon as Oden gets injured.  Yall were staying pretty quiet when he was healthy & balling haha. 

Lol. I don’t hate Oden. I said before he got hurt he was the wrong pick. To be honest, I only said on the podcast ( Where all of this is stemming from) that it’s at a time where you can all him a bust.

To be honest, I don’t care if he’s 21…his legs have been through surgeries and now we must wait to see if he still has the explosiveness, leg strength, etc

I can see what some of you are saying.  I agree Durant is the better player right now.  In college I thought Oden was the more dominant player. If you replaced Oden with Durant on that Ohio St. team they wouldn’t have made it to the championship game.  All 30 teams would’ve taken Oden first so apparently I wasn’t the only one thinking this.  

It isn’t always about simply drafting the best scorer.  It is about how can we build a championship team?  What player is most likely going to be a key piece to help us win a title? 

Iggy- As for the efficiency ratings…FG% is just one small element that goes into that calculation.  So saying Oden is efficient just because he takes easier shots than most other centers is not true.  Things such as personal fouls, turnovers, rebounds, blocks, free throw %, 3 pt %, steals, assists, etc… are all taken into account when calculating the efficiency ratings.  

i wouldnt have taken oden over durant because oden was amaybe this and could be that. durant was/is more of a sure thing but at the same time its hard to pass on a center that could become very very good. i dont think he’s a bust at all but hes also not overall better then okur kaman or the other centers named. and hes a ok defender not great or real good. being a good defender means you can play defense without getting into foul trouble because anyone can stop someone from scoring by fouling them.

He is a great player but can not stay healthy. He is a bust but he just needs to stay healthy and then he will be ok.

oden is bust cause look at number two pick KD whos gonna be top 3 player in next decade….i have nothing against him but just taking him before KD makes him bust…….. same thing happened in 84 Bowie in front of Jordan…..Portland also…. i think they make some mistakes that cost them to be on of the best franchise ever

arman that made no sense. .just because a player picked behind you is playing better doesnt make you a bust. if that was the case the year ben wallace was drafted there were many bust. and brandon roys year and anyone who was drafted late first or second round that has done better then players drafted ahead of them. also Hakeem Olajuwon was also drafted ahead of jordan so is he a bust since they could have had jordan?

Is Andrew Bogut then a bust because he was drafted ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul?? Greg Oden may or may not have a healthy productive career, but being drafted ahead of a great player shouldn’t have any bearing on if a player is a bust. Bogut was drafted #1, took some time to develop was injured and played as few as 33 games one season, but has rebounded nicely and is averaging about 15 and 11 this season (now his 5th) and no one is calling him a bust because Chris Paul and Deron Williams are agruably the two best young point guards in the NBA were drafted after him. Oden had a ton of hype and made some vast improvement this season, he he keeps getting hurt and doesn’t continue to develop then he is a bust but Durant being the #2 pick doesn’t secure him as a bust, especially only 2 1/2 years after they were drafted and in Oden’s 2nd season.

you didnt understand me,what i want to say is that they pass KD and that can mistake caunt haunt them in the future… and do you really believe that oden is going to be better than durant or that he is going to be top 10 players in nba one day ?

so,sam bowie isnt bust then ?

sam bowie being drafted ahead of jordan has no barring on him being a bust. his play does.

I don’t think Oden will have the individual success and numbers Durant has, but, call me old school, but Oden could be a difference maker in a playoff or title run someday and a piece to a championship and a great compliment to Brandon Roy. Oden, before his injury, was a top 5 shot blocker in the league and averaging a close to a double double in limited minutes while shooting 60% from the feild and 75% from the line. Did Portland really need another 20+ ppg wing player? no, I think the pick made sense and shouldnt have any bearing on how Oden is perceived as a bust, It’s up to Oden to stay healthy and continue to improve, not how great Durant becomes, Kobe was the 13th pick in his draft, people never talk about the 12 teams that passed on him.

cause blazers choose him over durant,in blazers oden s 4th option durant is in mvp talks…. you know what i want to say just didnt understand me on my first post…

i agree with you joewolf on bryant cause he was hs player, but durant was good as oden in college (college player of the year) so they could choose durant also but i uderstand why oden is picked 1. cause you always need bigman same thing in 84…. and when you look at durants numbers 30 ppg at 21.. thats scary

in hind site im sure the blazers would have picked durant. doesnt matter if they needed another scorer or not. you dont pass up on melo,jordan,kobe,wade just because you already have roy. portland said the same thing when then passed up jordan. and det said something similar when they passed on melo. i dont mind the oden pikc if he stays healthy becaus ei think he will be a pretty good player. not as good as durant but good enough to where portland wont feel too bad about skipping on durant

Yeah, I hear you, Durant is amazing so far in his career. He looks like he could be a 25,000 point guy if he stays healthy, but I guess im not ready to count out Oden yet, I honestly think he can still be a key building block on Portland’s team. Neither one of his injuries, although they are disappointing, are career threatening or risk to cut back on his explosiveness, and Oden is a hard worker and has had some huge games this year before his injury and I agree with quincey when he said he’ll be good enough and win them enough games for them not to be kicking themselves too much…i could be wrong, but only time will tell

Thank you good post very good …

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Oden was the bust pick….I believe Durant was better.

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Looks like my old account was right: Oden is a bust, Durant is king.

Looks like my old account was right: Oden is a bust, Durant is king.

I don’t post much, but looking back at this thread… I was wrong. Oden is a bust. Portland not extending his rookie contract put him in Kwame Brown territory. It’s sad cause hes a great guy but he is a bust no matter what way you look at it. I hope he has a productive healthy rest of his career, but I’m not betting on it.

I don’t post much, but looking back at this thread… I was wrong. Oden is a bust. Portland not extending his rookie contract put him in Kwame Brown territory. It’s sad cause hes a great guy but he is a bust no matter what way you look at it. I hope he has a productive healthy rest of his career, but I’m not betting on it.