Zoubek is def. a nba player,but he may go undrafted. Only because there are so many fowards in this draft. If there is room for guys like Fasenko and Josh Boone, there will be a spot for Zoubek.
I already made this point but u need some stats to back this up. Your not going to convince people Zoubek should be in the NBA if you compare him to Boone and Fasenko because about 95% of people dont think they are NBA worthy. Plus Fasenko didnt get to the NBA right away, and an undrafted American player doesnt really have that luxury to develop. If you go undrafted, your only shot to make a team is to be NBA ready.
Best offensive rebounder in the NCAA in the last 10 years other than Blair.
Michael Beasley wasnt a better rebounder in college?? and Zoubek is def not an NBA player and the only reason he'll get drafted is because he was on a championchip team in the tourny. Plus Duke bigs usually do not do well in the league in acception of boozer
First of all, we do not need to get into the Duke bigs convo again. So I won't go there.
Since 2001 Zoubek is the 2nd best offensive rebounder in the country. Blair is 1st.
And Zoubek was the reason Duke won the championship. They were an above average team until he became a starter with about 10 games left in the regular season. After he got big minutes and became the starter they were a completely different team.
I doubt scouts will say "Oh look this guy won a championship, lets draft him"
They will say "Oh look he's 7'1 and is the 2nd best offensive rebounder in the last 10 years, while being an integral part of a championship team".
You see the bums that get drafted at the end of the 2nd round? Zoubek is more then capable of getting drafted then...Regardless if he does or doesnt get drafted he'll be on a summer league team and compete for a roster spot
i wasnt talking to u nor do i want to talk to you because all u do is taste the male private areas of Duke university. Scouts are a little smart than that. stats arent everything and with the way the NBA is they want quicker bigmen who can run the floor. hes a GOOD COLLEGE PLAYER. not NBA at all but yes i do think hel make an NBA summer league team and have a descent overseas career. so u might need to move overseas if u wanna stroke off Zoubek some more
The reason Zoubek is such a good rebounder is that on defense, there's no three second violation in college, so he can just park himself under that basket and no one can move his big frame. Obviously, in the NBA that won't happen. The reason his offensive rebounding numbers are so good is that in the Duke system, he wasn't asked to get offensive post position, because he's a terrible offensive player, so they just had him go right into offensive rebounding position at the beginning of every possession while the big three did all the shooting, hence all the offensive rebounds because he's just waiting there for missed shots and that's all. In the NBA, the tactics he used in college won't work. He'll make a roster but I can't see him being more than a situational rebounder(?) and third big man because of the lack of offense.
yes, i love your arguing. Call me an idiot in the other thread as a last resort, and now say i stroke off duke players. Glad you back up your argument with facts.
And if all the NBA wants is quicker big men who can run the floor then why are Roy HIbbert and Aaron Gray in the league? He'll never be more than a 2nd or 3rd big man off the bench but a 7'1 very good rebounder and solid post defender will have more than a decent shot at making the league. He could be used as the #11 or 12 guy on a team where he plays on a matchup-basis. Not every player in the league plays every game.. He could be a guy who goes in and gives the starters a rest when the opposition has bigger, more power based big men rather than quick ones.
I agree with you saying he wont be more than a situational player as I said in my last post.
However, on offense he spent the majority of his time towards the 3 pt line as opposed to camping down low. The Duke offense was Zoubek going up and setting picks. So yes, some of his rebounding numbers were because of the lack of that rule.. But you have to give him some credit because there were plenty of times where he fought for position and got the rebounds because he spends a lot of time at the 3 pt line setting picks and getting guys open and not just going down and camping.
U named 2 players who are very slow in the NBA and one of them might not be in the league in 3 or 4 years....good job and Aaron Gray is like 3rd string. I think that proves my point? and Roy Hibbert has to be taken out of games all the time by Indiana because they get ran into the ground when hes in. Hibberts a good player but teams know how to take him out of games. Timz77 is 100 percent correct about Zoubek in college. ur love for Zoubek is clouding over reality
Do you read? I've said twice he will never be more than a 3rd or 4th big man on a team... I'm not saying he's gonna be a star or a starter but there is a pretty decent chance he will make a team.
and im saying hes not going to. and even if he was able to he would probably take more money overseas and actually play. like alot of players do. im hoping this is the end of us talking to eachother. have a great day
That Duke bigmen aren't good in the NBA thing is getting really old. It is also just plain wrong.
can u name successful duke bigmen? didnt think so. done arguing
If by "Bigs" you mean centers, then Gminski was pretty decent in the NBA. I'm afraid I can't really think of anyone else who I would even put in the "decent" category though.
Zoubek surprised the hell out of me the second half of the season. They guy is strong, runs the court well, goes after the ball, and has great hands. On the other hand, he isn't a shot blocker, is a poor scorer, and can't jump over a phone book. Plus he has a history with injuries. I don't see him being drafted, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him on a roster at some point.
I think Zoubek will get picked up in the last 5 picks of the 2nd round or get a summer league invite for this reason only. Take a look at how many players are drafted from the National Championship team every year. We all know Zoubek's strengths and weaknesses, but a tournament run counts for something and like it or not GM's will take a gamble on a role player from a Championship team in the 2nd round, especially someone who played 4 years for Coach K.
Just take a look at how many players from each NCAA championship was drafted and there is at least 1 or 2 role players taken in the 2nd round.
2009- UNC (4) including Danny Green in the 2nd round
2008- KU (5) including Mario Chalmers,Sasha Kaun and Darnell Jackson in the 2nd round
2006-2007- Florida players (5) inlcuding Taurean Green and Chris Richard in the 2nd round
Sure 2 or 3 evey year are 1st round picks and 1st or 2nd team scoring options, but Chris Richard, Danny Green, Sasha Kaun, Darnell Jackson, and Taurean Green are all role players on championship teams that have been taken in the 2nd, Sure none of them are making a major impact right now, but this recent trend bodes well for a player like Zoubek, especially in the 2nd where there is no such thing as a guaranteed contract and a large portion of 2nd rounders don't make NBA rosters right away. Low risk pick or summer camp invite on a 7'1'' player who could end up being your 3rd string center. I do think the combine will seal his fate, he'll get a shot in summer league regardless, but if he's a little better athlete than people think he is I could see him going between 55-60.
Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand
But you say they don't count.. So if you can't count the good ones then none.
And like I said Boozer, Brand, or any other past Duke big man from 20 yrs ago has nothing to do with Zoubek's career.
It's not like any school is simply churning out elite big men. The fact is that they are few a and far in between. How many elite big men does Roy Williams have in the NBA? Does that mean that Carolina doesn't develop big men? Not every college player is a success in the NBA, but people only focus on Duke's failures.