Your guy's DPOY?
Honestly I can't really think of who will win it this year, and I haven't really seen a topic about this. So who do you think will win DPOY? Will it be Tyson again? Maybe Duncan? Joakim Noah?
Larry Sanders is blocking shots like they are going out of style. I would pick him if they are going for a big guy as usual. If not I would possibly pick LeBron but he isn't going to win it since he is in the process of locking up the MVP.
Definitely not Chandler. His defense hasn't nearly been as good this yr.
I'd say my candidates would be TD, Paul George and Noah.
I'd probably give the edge to TD.
I'd give it to Duncan, his defensive rating is a league leading 94 (Spurs give up 94 points per 100 possessions while he's on the floor). The Spurs on average give up 100 per 100, which is still good, but Duncan makes them incredible. I wouldn't be upset if Noah won it either though.
Another guy to consider is Roy Hibbert, he's been struggling offensively but he has a 95 defensive rating and is a big part of the reason why the Pacers are second in the East right now
Unfortunately for Larry Sanders I think you should be playing more than 25 mpg to win DPOY
As a Bucks fan, I honestly think Larry Sanders is more than deserving of winning it this year. Not only does he block a ton of shots, but he's come up with clutch blocks too; blocking game winning shot attempts at least a few times this year. More than that, he's a great all around defender.
In terms of points allowed per possession:
Sanders ranks 12th; Chandler ranks 120th; Noah ranks 140th; Duncan ranks 45th; Ibaka ranks 32nd
In the post:
Sanders ranks 12th; Chandler ranks 20th; Noah ranks 31st; Duncan ranks 57th; Ibaka ranks 119th
Pick And Roll:
Sanders ranks 39th; Chandler ranks 83rd; Noah ranks 53rd; Duncan ranks 84th; Ibaka ranks 32nd
Plain and simple, Larry Sanders is an elite defender, but because he plays in Milwaukee, he won't win the award.
Tyson Chandler won last year because he help his team become a serious defensive team. I don't think Larry Sanders does that while Tim Duncan and LeBron James do.
I got to give Larry Sanders the go ahead, he is playing great all around defense, and on top of that he is blocking anything and everything.
Side note, I hope AK47 gets some love and makes an all defensive team. His defensive play has been stellar. I watched the MN GS game, and he was everywhere, and same with Rubio. Rubio will make a few all defensive teams in his career as well.
But, to the point, Sanders is the DPOY
How about Durant gets the MVP and LeBron gets the DPOY? I think LeBron should get the MVP over Durant, but I am sure people are going to get tired of voting of him and like to change it up. LeBron is the best player in the league and could win the MVP every year, but lets throw him a couple of DPOYs
I think it's LeBron. Will he win it? Probably not bc this award tends to favor bigs or guys with gaudy numbers. I think he should though bc along with his solid number, he rebounds, hardly ever fouls, and is easily the most versatile defender in the whole league. Depending on matchups he can guard all 5 positions at a high level. No one else in the running can really guard 3.
I don't see how Sanders even deserves to be mentioned. I think he gets 4th or 5th bc he isn't the best overall defender and he fouls even more than he block shots! That means he is hurting his team just as much as he is helping. How does that translate to DPOY?
I personally think Noah will win. He has been phenomenal all year. Like I said LeBron is the best all around and I think he deserves it but I think it will go to Noah
Sanders averages .89 blocks per foul but that doesn't mean he is hurting his team. He effects many more shots 6 per 48 minutes he is blocking. There are also such things as a good foul. Of the top 40 players in blocks per game only Duncan, Lopez and Ibaka have a better rate of blocks per foul.
I don't see how Sanders doesn't deserve to be mentioned. We agree on LeBron but strongly disagree on Sanders.
I liked the Hibbert mention as well. Indiana is one of the best defensive teams in the league and Hibbert has been a solid anchor in the middle for them.
I just don't think he deserves a mention to win it. Like I said I could see him getting 4th or 5th but I think as a DPOY you have to take everything into account. He is only blocking shots and helping his team in 26 minutes a game. Partly because he is still young but also because he gets into foul trouble. I agree that altering shots and protecting the paint are great.
I just personally would take guys like James, Noah, Duncan, and then other guys are debatable like Hibbert, Ibaka, and Chandler. That's 6 players that could potentially get it ahead of them. All of them for the most part can help their teams for longer periods of time and don't foul nearly as much.
That is the main reason why I like James and Noah as the two frontrunners. LeBron gets an abusrdly low 1.6 fouls in 38 minutes per game and Noah gets a very good 2.8 fouls in 38 minutes. I really believe they are both more versatile defenders and they are able to contribute alot more. 12 extra minutes on the court is a whole quarter of more playing time. You take Sanders out for an extra quarter than these guys due to foul trouble and the opposing team will definitely capitalize on it.
I totally agree that James and Noah are more versatile. Historically the DPOY isn't really an award about versatility though. Dwight Howard won 3 in a row and nobody ever accused him of being a versatile defender. Duncan is averaging 4 more minutes per game and Hibbert is averaging two more minutes per game than Sanders. It isn't like MOST of these guys are playing a quarter more than he is. Hibbert averages 3.6 fouls per game just like Sanders. Sanders gets many more blocks so since you are basing DPOY on who commits less fouls there is no way Hibbert should be considered ahead of him.
Well Im saying that Hibbert, Chandler, and Ibaka are debatable. I never said I would personally pick them ahead of Sanders and I said I would have Sanders 4th or 5th. LeBron, Noah, Duncan/Ibaka, Sanders/Chandler. That is my thinking right now
Not to mention blocks are insanely overrated. More often than not people will swat the ball out of bounds or back to the team. Ya its great to protect the rim and I understand there can be and intimidation factor, but you are still giving the ball back to the other teams more often than not. I would much rather a player be able to hold his ground and force a miss and get a rebound than jump for a block and either foul them, miss completely, or swat it out of bounds. It's not like when Bill Russell played and would literally grab the ball mid-air or intentionally swat it to a teammate to start a fast break. People just smack it to look cool.
He was the greatest center ever. He is the only guy that played defense to start the offense. His shot blocking lead to the fast break or secondary break. There will never be another big man like Russell. Wilt you can make a case but at the end of the day he was not the player Russell was.
I couldn't agree with you more. Not only the defense but his outlet passing was and probably still is the best of big men. His IQ was phenomenal and like someone else posted in a newer forum he was definitely more athletic than given credit for. He wasn't that big so idk if he would play center in today's game but considering most teams have gone smaller he could have. He could play the 4 as well. He is one of the few players that really could play and be great in any generation.
Howard, Camby, Wallace, Mourning , Olajuwon all led the league in blocks when wining their DPOYs. Blocks may be overrated in your mind but not in the mind of the voters. Shot blockers effect much more than the 3 shots per game they block. They cause people to take bad shots. They intimidate a driver into a pull up jump shot or a pass and a turnover. Shot blocking is a huge part of playing defense. Blocking somebodies shot can ruin their confidence for the entire game. It is much more game changing than playing good defense and grabbing a rebound every will be.
So blocking shots is more effective than say..Bruce Bowen getting under a superstars skin and causing them to shoot terribly? The guys you mentioned were better overall defenders than Sanders for sure. Sanders is only 24 so it's not like he can't turn into a better, smarter, more all around defender. I think he will too. But he just isnt there this year. Just like Ibaka wasnt last year even though he led the league in blocks. They still gave it to Chandler because he was better.
Obviously Sanders isn't on the level of those legendary guys, but to imply that he isn't a good overall defender is just wrong.
Statistically, he's probably the best all-around defensive center when you take into account his pick and roll defense, post defense, help defense, rebounding, and blocking ability.
I am not going to say Sanders is the best defensive player in the league but to say he isn't in the conversation of those who deserve DPOY is crazy to me. Bowen could get under a players skin and get them to have a bad game but that is one player. Sanders playing in the middle effects all 5 guys on offense not just one.
The Pacers are the best defensive team in the league. Let's get it to Roy Hibbert, who's been holding the paint down all season.
This Pacers team reminds me of the Knicks in the 90's. They play very physically and lock you down on defense...I also can't stand watching them play.
Ibaka lead the league in blocks last year and didnt get DPOY. Theres more to defense than just weakside blocks.
I don't watch any more Spurs games than the next guy, but from the handful of games that've been on National Television, I gotta give it Timmy, he holds down the paint for the 4th best offensive team which is also the 9th best defensive team this season, he's probably the best big at protecting the rim this season and he's swatting just as many shots as anyone not named Larry Sanders. Hibbert has been good, but I'd give it to Paul George for my 2nd choice, he's arguably the best perimeter defender(other than Lebron) in the game and has been a pest all season long.