Wroten vs. Carter-Williams
Could Tony Wroten possibly give Michael Carter-Williams some competition for Philly's starting PG position? I like Carter-Williams' ability to get other players involved more than Wroten does but could he contribute for the team more than Wroten? Think about it, if Tony Wroten would have stayed for his sophomore season at U-Dub last year, would have he been drafted higher than MCW this year? Tony Wroten could also end up being more of a shooting guard and they could both play together but it should be interesting to see how they play as two of the better players on Philly's talentless roster.
First of all, I think that Philly should just roll the ball out there and see what happens. They have some good, young, long athletes but not a whole lot of shooting. They should just concentrate on defense and rebounding with a free flowing offense.
I like Tony Wroten. I think he is a playmaker more than a prototype point guard. He can dribble, pass, and get to the basket. Solid rebounder too for a guard. He turns the ball over too much and can't shoot but he has upside. He was more of a 2 guard in college so I can see him playing at either spot.
Yeah, I think he can play with MCW in the backcourt, but what about bringing him off the bench as a sixth man? He could go in for MCW or Evan Turner and try to make some plays.
Right now, I would probably take Tony Wroten over MCW. Wroten is a little more experienced and more athletic, but I think Philly has more invested in MCW. So, I think the point guard spot is MCW's to lose, even if Wroten is the better 'point guard' on day one.
I am looking for Wroten to have a solid year, and he should have some really good stat sheet-filling games mixed in.
What they probably need to do is start MCW, Wroten, and Evan Turner on the perimeter and see what happens. Not much shooting, but three guys who can handle the ball and make plays. Thad Young is your starter as an undersized 4 with Spencer Hawes at center. Then, when Nerlens Noel comes back he can be the sixth man, or a guy you start with Spencer Hawes in bigger lineups.
If I were the coach, I would let MCW and Wroten fight it out for the starting point guard position. I think Wroten would get it since I think he has more raw talent. Then you can let MCW learn some and either start MCW and bring Wroten off the bench, or just move Wroten over to the 2 guard spot.
I think Wroten can give them 10 points, 4 assists, 4 boards, and a steal off the bench this year. If he starts then I think he can up those numbers a bit more.
He's a guy I really like if a team is willing to be patient with him.
It is very difficult for 6'6 point guards to have success in the NBA. The only really "tall" starting PG who has had reasonable success in the past few seasons is Greivis Vasquez.
MCW is a good athlete but he is just average as a point guard in today's NBA. Virtually every team's starting pg is a freak athlete with elite speed and run/jump athleticism nowadays. His athleticism, strength and speed will not make him stand out at the NBA level like Westbrook, Rose and Wall- but rather his height will.
yeah, great topic. Im gonna be excited to watch. Wroten has the most potential, I love the Shumpert/Wade comparison. I would even throw Harden in there if he gets a jumpshot. Remember, all the elite point guards came in the league and could not shoot. Only ones who could are D Wll, Kyrie and Curry
I honestly like Tony Wroten more than MCW, even though they are both pretty much the same type of player. MCW is a slightly better Passer, but Tony is a more explosive athlete even though they are both great athletes.
At the end of they day though, Tony has played a year in the league already, and he's still a year and a half younger than MCW. (How's that for potential?)
Tony could be a Russell Westbrook type athletic scoring point guard, or he could be a D-Wade/Iman Shumpert type 2, who can pass the ball, be a strong defender, slasher, and rebounder.
Definitely not saying he's as talented as either of those 3 players, just talking about playing style. He also has that busted shot that all of those players started with and sort of still has, if he works, who knows.
Philly's Coaching Staff is going to have to do what is best for their team
I personally have never been that high on Micheal Carter Williams. I wonder sometimes what the player performance quality standards are for nba scouts when it comes to judging nba draft prospects. As of right now in my opinion Micheal Carter Williams is not an nba level starting point guard. He's extremely inconsistent, can at times be very turnover prone, has a hard time handling the ball against tough defensive pressure from very quick and physical point guards, is a very good athlete in space, but is an average athlete in traffic, he struggles finishing lay-ups in traffic, is an average creator of offense for himself, and is an average and very streaky shooter. For philly to trade Jrue Holliday for the draft rights of an injured noel and then draft MCW made no sense to me. I think the player that philly really wanted was CJ McCollum who was drafted a pick ahead of MCW by Portland
Tony Wroten is more talented, more explosive, and has more potential than MCW. We all should not forget how well tony played as a freshman for the Washington Huskies. He was pac-10 conference freshman of the year and almost won the award of being the pac-10 conference player of the year. Tony Wroten defensive potential is simply amazing. He has some of the quickest feet and great hands that I've ever seen in a young combo guard prospect. If he embraces being a tough defender, he has the potential to easily match the great defensive abilities of Gary Payton and Bruce Bowen. He also has the ability to create scoring opportunities for himself at a very high level when needed because of his good scoring instincts, very good ball handling skills, and ability to finish around the rim in very creative and athletic ways. And is also a special and dynamic passer who has the potential to develop into a talented play-maker. But tony is also a poor decision maker as far as being able to consistently make the simple play, he is a very average and streaky shooter, and tony also has a long way to go before he can consistently and efficiently become a point guard who can control the game from the point guard position at a very high level (example: how to dictate pace and tempo, directing offensive formations, making sure players get the ball in areas where they can be efficient and effective as offensive players, being a coach on the floor, being a vocal leader, knowing when and how to feed the hot hand, consistently making intelligent decisions, etc ). The great thing about tony is that he has the ability to be a very impactful player in the NBA because of his defensive upside, ball-handling penetration/slashing skills, and unique passing skills. And on a young team like philly he will be given the fullest opportunity to learn, grow, and develop into a very good player. Their have already been rumors about the new coaching staff for philly being in love with is potential and upside.
And thus because of the great point guards that are in the NBA. I believe that Tony Wroten will eventually become the starting point guard for philly because of his ability to defend nba point guards at a very high level.
Also even though I'm not very high on MCW, I'm willing to be positive and give him the chance to prove that he was worthy of being a lottery pick.
is the guy who repaints the rims. With those two and Evan Turner, there will be dents in the floor from overdribbling, and chips in the rim's paint job every night.
Wroten does have potential,but it remains to be seen if he will ever reach it....He's a great athlete,a terrific ball handler and passer..But his lack of shooting,defensive lapses and not playing smart within a team concept is why Memphis got rid of him...
With his length,athleticism,quickness and size, he has the potential to defend smaller guards...Philly has the least amount of talent out of all 30 teams...So there should be plenty of minutes for him to get on the job training for a team thats in tank mode......
I don't really buy Wroten as a point guard in the NBA. He's one of those big guards that can handle and dish, but he's never sported a good A/TO ratio at any level he's played in since high school. Not at Washington, not in Summer League, not in the D-League, not in pre-season and in some instances he's been at or below 1. He also does this shooting extremely low shooting percentages in every category.
Freshman season at Washington .97 A/TO Ratio
2012-13 NBA Summer League 1.42 A/TO Ratio
2012-13 NBA Preseason 1.28 A/TO Ratio
2012-13 NBA Regular Season 1.48 A/TO Ratio
2012-13 NBADL Season 1.54 A/TO Ratio
2013-14 NBA Summer League .91 A/TO Ratio
2013-14 NBA Preseason ( 1 game ) .5 A/TO Ratio
He may be better than your average 2 guard as far as handles, and passing ability, but if he doesn't have the decision making to go with it then I don't think he'll play many NBA minutes as a point guard. I do think he can find a role as a defensive wing who can come in and play the 2 guard, but has the ability to guard 1-3. I've heard praises out of Philly in regards to his energy and defensive playmaking. That is where I think he'll find a role, not as a giant pseudo- point guard.
MCW is more of a point guard and has the mindset and better decision making abilities to play the point guard position at a higher level. He's a much higher volume assist player and he does so turning the ball over less. He's gonna have some bumps and bruises as a rookie point guard, but he's more equipped to play the position IMO. I think he'll play next to Wroten a fair amount, but the fact neither one can shoot will cut into that lineup possibility. MCW is Philly's lotto pick, Wroten was a flier to see if they could capitalize on his raw ability by giving him more minutes on a bad team. They go with their guy, but I think Wroten gets 20 mpg as a multi position backup.
This is just my personal opinion, but I think that Tony Wroten is very talented and easily has the potential to be a very good starting point guard in the NBA if he can develop into a better shooter, develop into better decision maker, and develop into a true point guard who can run a team in a very efficient matter. The ball-handling skills, passing skills, and play-making skills are their with-in tony wroten's overall skill set. He simply just needs to become a better decision maker to take advantage of the dynamic skill set that he possesses.
To keep it real with you Joewolf!, if tony wroten reaches his full potential. I think he has the chance to develop into a poor mans version of Gary Payton ( meaning everything that Gary Payton did great is what tony will be able to do at a good, but not great level ). Or the worst case scenario tony develops into a less explosive scoring version of a young & athletic Larry Hughes based purely off his size, athleticism, versatility, defensive instincts, and play making skills
The reason I think that Tony Wroten is A Better prospect than Micheal Carter Williams is because Micheal Carter Williams does nothing great, but tony possesses 5 great basketball attributes:
1.Mentally Tony Wroten possesses great toughness, heart, confidence, passion, aggressiveness, fearlessness, and competiveness
2. Physically Tony Has been blessed with great Physical tools ( example: great height, size, length, quickness, speed, agility, strength, and all-around athleticism )
3. Defensively I think that Tony has the potential to be a special and elite Gary Payton type of individual defender. When he at times embraces being a tough defender, he simply looks outstanding because he has great lateral quickness, can change directions with-in difficult angles with ease, has great hands that allows him to get a lot of deflections, can guard multiple positions ( pg, sg, and sf ) and has a Gary Payton like mindset that allows him to defend with a lot of swagger, toughness, heart, and fearlessness.
4. His ball-handling skills combined with his quickness give tony the ability to penetrate and get to the rim at a very high and great level
5. And as we all know his passing ability and anticipation skills as a passer will give him the opportunity to be a great creator of offense for others who can at times create something out of nothing because he can utilize a natural sense of timing that allows him to make plays before the defense can adjust ( example of Tony's passing skills- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHo5N37wcDI )
Hey man, it's been a while. We have different opinions on the matter, but I do think Wroten can be a good defender and jack of all trades master of none style offensive wing.
One thing I've learned following prospects all these years is that if a guy seems to be a poor decision maker, kind of lacks in the BBall IQ category or is very turnover prone for a point guard at an early stage then more often than not they don't develop into a great or very good point guard. A broken jumper ( which Wroten seems to have worked on ) can be fixed, but a feel for the game and or what a player thinks he should do as a point guard are things that tend to be a little tougher to fix.
Wroten has shown improvement this year in preseason, but he's done a lot of this next to Morris ( playing point ) in the 2nd unit. When push comes to shove, I just think he's an off guard.
MCW has a lot of ground to catch up on as a shooter and a scorer, but he shows nearly as much potential on the defensive end and gets it as a distributer and setting up others. Although his sample size is much smaller, he's shown a better feel distributing and taking care of the ball, as he's only turned the ball over once while dishing out 10 assists in Philly's first 2 preseason games. Tony's been a more dynamic player in these two games, but he's turned the ball over 7 times while only dishing out 5 assists. I just don't think he's a point.
I've noticed some improvement in Wroten's game and I've heard Brown's comments about his energy and defensive ability, so I do think Wroten is on the up swing, but I've seen nothing that makes me think he's a true point guard, especially when his main competition takes care of the ball and is better setting up teammates.
I continue to think MCW will start at the point all year, while Wroten will prove himself as an explosive player in the 2nd unit, and providing defense at the 2 guard where James Anderson falls short. I don't disagree, that if Wroten continues to improve he'll have a bright future, I just think at this point in his career it's a huge leap to assume he'll fix his feel for the game and poor decision making and I think a much better position for him is the 2 guard, much like Tyreke Evans. I'd bet Wroten is about a 11 ppg 3 rpg 2 apg 1.5 spg player of Philly's bench this year.
Wroten and Nerlens sounds interesting. Can't shoot AT ALL, but there is a lot of potential there. Those are the two young guys with the most upside, with Thad Young being the captain and Spencer Hawes as the jump shooting veteran.
Evan Turner might be worth more as trade bait. If the Sixers keep MCW AND Wroten, then you don't need THREE ball dominant guards/wings who can't shoot. So, ET might be the odd man out. Plus, he has the most trade value.
I would look to shop ET. OKC needs another creator so maybe the 76ers can try to get back Perry Jones.
Looking ahead, Philly should try to build around Wroten, Nerlens Noel, MCW, Thad Young, and their 2014 pick. Wiggins, Randle, or Jabari Parker would fit in well with those guys since they would fill a spot either as a legit small forward or a great power forward with an all-around skill set. From this stand point, ET looks better off as trade bait to bring in some draft picks and more depth.
Wroten looked great today against the Thunder. Had 20 points, and four 3 pointers.
start em both, richardson isnt supposed to play for a while, so why not let them both try to develop